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r81984
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No TVs have cablecard support

Until TVs are made with cable card support no one will use them.
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aaronwt
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said by r81984:

Until TVs are made with cable card support no one will use them.
My 2005 DLP set had a cable card slot. I would have neve considered using because I have no desire to watch TV in real time.


FFH5
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reply to r81984
said by r81984:

Until TVs are made with cable card support no one will use them.
A friend of mine had a flat screen TV with a Cable Card slot, which he used. Of course, I don't remember the brand and IF they still make them.


bob1954

join:2000-03-31
Hackensack, NJ
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reply to aaronwt
said by aaronwt:

said by r81984:

Until TVs are made with cable card support no one will use them.
My 2005 DLP set had a cable card slot. I would have neve considered using because I have no desire to watch TV in real time.


bob1954

join:2000-03-31
Hackensack, NJ
reply to aaronwt
Tv manufacturers have been using cable cards in some of there models for almost 4 years...

Talis

join:2001-06-21
Houston, TX
reply to r81984
My Sony XBR Bravia has a cable card slot.


wifi4milez
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New York, NY
reply to aaronwt
said by aaronwt:

said by r81984:

Until TVs are made with cable card support no one will use them.
My 2005 DLP set had a cable card slot. I would have neve considered using because I have no desire to watch TV in real time.
I agree, until cablecards can support PPV and VOD they will continue to be useless to me.
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cableties
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reply to r81984
Mine has CableCard slot/support. DLP LED 57" HDTV.

What I don't know is how much is the card per month versus HDTV STB?
Fios offer this?
Comcast?
Charter?
...

It would be nice if those with the cards could post the cost/monthly to make a comparison...
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r81984
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reply to bob1954
said by bob1954:

Tv manufacturers have been using cable cards in some of there models for almost 4 years...
In like less than 1% of HDTVs.
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PGHammer

join:2003-06-09
Accokeek, MD
said by r81984:

said by bob1954:

Tv manufacturers have been using cable cards in some of there models for almost 4 years...
In like less than 1% of HDTVs.
That is because CableCARD was priced as an option (and an expensive one at that) in most HDTVs in the early days; Sony and Toshiba were the odd folks out in offering CableCARD in their *tube* TVs (32" to 36"); most brands put CableCARD in their high-end models (primarily plasma and RPTV, including DLP). I have a Philips 42" plasma from 2005 (42PF7320A/37A; unique to North America and manufactured at NAP Hermosilla, Mexico) with CableCARD and bought it as a closeout; the model that replaced it lacks CableCARD support. Philips is one of the few TV manufacturers with few to no issues with CableCARD (Pioneer and Sony are the others).

The number of TVs with CableCARD support is decreasing, and decreasing rapidly, since 2005; however, I blame not the cable industry, but the CEA. Given a $400+ price difference between two HDTVs (and the only difference is CableCARD support), which would YOU buy?


Zero

join:2009-07-01
Collegeville, PA
reply to cableties
said by cableties:

What I don't know is how much is the card per month versus HDTV STB?
Fios offer this?

It would be nice if those with the cards could post the cost/monthly to make a comparison...
Since you asked nicely...

FiOS:
CableCARD (M-Card) = $3.99/mo
HD STB = $9.99/mo

Bottom line: You can save $6/mo if you can live without VOD, PPV, and FiOS exclusives to their STBs (IMG, Guide, Widgets, etc) for each TV that you use a CableCARD with.

For many who go the route with CableCARDs exclusively (ex. TiVo for every TV) is keep at least one HD STB so they can access VOD and other FiOS TV features that require a STB.


Caddyroger
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reply to wifi4milez
said by wifi4milez:

said by aaronwt:

said by r81984:

Until TVs are made with cable card support no one will use them.
My 2005 DLP set had a cable card slot. I would have neve considered using because I have no desire to watch TV in real time.
I agree, until cablecards can support PPV and VOD they will continue to be useless to me.
Cable cards can do PPV and VOD. It the hardware that won't let them do VOD and PPV. The modem is only for incoming no out going
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Wills9

join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL
reply to r81984
My 2004/2005 RCA HD56W58 56" projection TV has a cablecard slot in it.
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r81984
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said by Wills9:

My 2004/2005 RCA HD56W58 56" projection TV has a cablecard slot in it.
TVs with cablecards are not easy to find since almost every TV does not have them.
»www.newegg.com/Store/Category.as···evisions

If you search google products this is what you find:
cablecard hdtv has 455 listings
hdtv has 293,278 listings
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FFH5
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See what TV's(LCD & Plasma) have cablecard slots here:
»www.google.com/products?q=lcd+|+···oring=pd

And for those under $700
»www.google.com/products?q=lcd+|+···k=prsugg


r81984
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said by FFH5:

See what TV's have cablecard slots here:
»www.google.com/products?q=lcd+|+···oring=pd
Your search only has 269 listings vs 293,278 for hdtv
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FFH5
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1 edit
said by r81984:

said by FFH5:

See what TV's have cablecard slots here:
»www.google.com/products?q=lcd+|+···oring=pd
Your search only has 269 listings vs 293,278 for hdtv
370 for LCD & plasma. Didn't check for projection and other types.
Brands selling TVs with cablecards:
# Hitachi
# JVC
# LG
# Mitsubishi
# Panasonic
* Philips
* Pioneer
* Samsung
* Sharp
* Sony
* Toshiba

The point being you can easily get one if you want one.
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r81984
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What's your point I already posted that there are 455 listings for cablecard hdtvs?
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FFH5
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said by r81984:

What's your point I already posted that there are 455 listings for cablecard hdtvs?
Yes, you modified your post after I pointed out the obvious.


r81984
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My post was modified over a minute before you posted.
You posted after I pointed out the obvious.
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wifi4milez
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New York, NY
reply to Caddyroger
said by Caddyroger:

Cable cards can do PPV and VOD. It the hardware that won't let them do VOD and PPV. The modem is only for incoming no out going
Whatever the issue is, until cable cards (and the equipment they are used in) can support the core features of current day TV I wont buy one. Dont get me wrong, I have no love for STB's however. The minute a cable card is a 'drop in' replacement for one I will kick the box to the curb.
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Caddyroger
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said by wifi4milez:

said by Caddyroger:

Cable cards can do PPV and VOD. It the hardware that won't let them do VOD and PPV. The modem is only for incoming no out going
Whatever the issue is, until cable cards (and the equipment they are used in) can support the core features of current day TV I wont buy one. Dont get me wrong, I have no love for STB's however. The minute a cable card is a 'drop in' replacement for one I will kick the box to the curb.
They made tv's with cable cards but no bought them so they quit making them. I have a Toshiba with a cable card slot but don't use a cable card. I have a TiVo S3
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wifi4milez
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New York, NY
said by Caddyroger:

said by wifi4milez:

said by Caddyroger:

Cable cards can do PPV and VOD. It the hardware that won't let them do VOD and PPV. The modem is only for incoming no out going
Whatever the issue is, until cable cards (and the equipment they are used in) can support the core features of current day TV I wont buy one. Dont get me wrong, I have no love for STB's however. The minute a cable card is a 'drop in' replacement for one I will kick the box to the curb.
They made tv's with cable cards but no bought them so they quit making them. I have a Toshiba with a cable card slot but don't use a cable card. I have a TiVo S3
My understanding is that even if you do have a TV with a cablecard slot, you still cant watch PPV or VOD. Thats a deal killer for me. "Live" TV doesnt do much for me these days, so I guess the box is a necessary evil.
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-Ronald Reagan-
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Caddyroger
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No PPV or VOD because of hardware. I don't use Comcast PPV or VOD. I might use VOD on demand on my TiVo about once or twice a month.
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wifi4milez
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New York, NY
said by Caddyroger:

No PPV or VOD because of hardware. I don't use Comcast PPV or VOD. I might use VOD on demand on my TiVo about once or twice a month.
Unfortunately I am a bit addicted to VOD. My wife and I typically watch at least two or three VOD movies each weekend (if not more).

Happydude32
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reply to r81984
What? I'm 2 for 2 or 100%, (that's a one followed by two zeros). Both my Sony 42" Grand Wega HDTV and Sony 55" Grand Wega HDTV have cable card slots. The 42" is three years old, and when I was shopping around pretty much every name brand HDTV I saw had a cable card slot.

Both have HD DVRs connected to them. Cable cards suck! I wouldn't use them if they were handed out by Time Warner for free. No guide, no program information, no On Demand, lack of SDV support. Be it Dish Network, DirecTV or Time Warner, on an SDTV or HDTV, both TVs in house have had a DVR connected to them from one provider or another since 2002, and I'm never going back.
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rv65
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Actually we could've had full digital cable integration if we used DCR+ instead of tru2way. In Finland you can get full digital cable without a STB but no DVR of course. You do have to buy a special TV though. My Samsung has a CC slot but I use an 8300HDC HD-DVR. Some CableCard TV's use TVGOS for guide data or the internet. I've never used the cards though TWC San Diego offers crippled POS SA 3100HD boxes for those customers that don't use a Tivo but use Cablecard.
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Foxbat121

join:2001-04-25
Herndon, VA
reply to r81984
Lack of SDV support is what really kills CableCard adoption in TVs as most cable cos have moved into SDV.

Most TVs are equipped with CableCARD a few years back. But a lot of them have trouble interact with the buggy CableCards offered by the cable cos. So a lot of owners don't use them. Then came SDV. Even owners with CableCARD installed can no longer access all the channels he/she paid for. Hence the death of CableCARD in CE devices. New TVs no longer bother to include a CableCARD slot because it is mostly useless these days.

Panasonic and a few others are planning to offer Tru2Way CableCARD support in the TV soon. This could effectively re-ignite the interest in CableCARDs. But Cable Cos have to deploy Tru2Way in their systems first which probably won't happen until 7/1/2010's dead line.


rv65
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Actually they probably wont make the deadline in 2010. Charter has a 2010 deadline. TWC San Diego and other divisions are using old POS SA 3100HD's for those UDCP TV owners but they're crippled so they can't access all the features. LG, Samsung, and Funai are planning tru2way boxes but they're for MSO consumption only. Time Warner is using ODN on SA HDC and Samsung boxes but it has bugs. Bestbuy, Walmart, and any retail store want these tru2way products to be pretty much bug free or else they won't carry it. I think 2010 might be a year for tru2way but 2011 is probably the year for it since costs will go down.

Then again the cableco's want to replace CableCards with DCAS which may never be adopted since they haven't finished it. CableVision wants to do an "open" DCAS system by NDS but the CE companies don't like it. DCAS can replace the cablecard since it can download the security. If DCAS gets hacked then the key and algorithm can change.

Let's just say that it's been a mess right now. tru2way with cablecards is just a place holder with tru2way with DCAS.
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