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Re: Boycott You're still paying for it so they don't care. (If your ISP does) |
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join:2004-09-30
Colorado Springs, CO | And that's where the problem lies for me. If I'm paying for my connection somewhere the cost of ESPN 360 is being passed onto me. How that's legal I have no idea. Perhaps the solution is for a class action against ESPN for basically dipping their hands into our collective pockets. Is it fair for 90% of the ISP's customers to finance the 10% that actually use it? Imagine all the medicine grandma can buy if she did not have to pay into this mess.
Seriously people get all riled up over government spending, but here we have a company stealing money hand over fist and nobody will probably do anything. In both cases the people causing the problem will continue business as usual.
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Buy a T1 if you don't like it. |
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 BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to NOCMan
said by NOCMan:And that's where the problem lies for me. If I'm paying for my connection somewhere the cost of ESPN 360 is being passed onto me. How that's legal I have no idea. Perhaps the solution is for a class action against ESPN for basically dipping their hands into our collective pockets. Is it fair for 90% of the ISP's customers to finance the 10% that actually use it? While I despise the ESPN360 model it they charge ISPs 5 cents per subscriber to carry it. So the whole "granny is paying for content she doesn't use" argument is not really valid.
Imagine all the medicine grandma can buy if she did not have to pay into this mess. Well that's 60 cents per year so I would say NOT MUCH. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to NOCMan
said by NOCMan:Is it fair for 90% of the ISP's customers to finance the 10% that actually use it? You mean like bandwidth consumption? Anyway, ESPN is merely carrying there well serving business model from pay TV to the Internet. Can't fault them for that, but we can fault our ISPs for succumbing to their antics...just as we can blame our pay TV providers. |
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AVonGaussPremium
join:2007-11-01
Boynton Beach, FL | reply to BF69
I agree in that grandma should be left out of the argument unless she wants to join in. However, it is a clear case where an ISP either through use of profits and/or by passing a portion of the cost to all subscribers is circumventing a normal open free economy by subsidizing a business model and company that most likely is broken. |
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said by NOCMan:And that's where the problem lies for me. If I'm paying for my connection somewhere the cost of ESPN 360 is being passed onto me. How that's legal I have no idea. I probably want maybe four or five cable only channels on cable TV - Discovery, Fox News, CNN, Comedy Central and Nat Geo. Yet I'm forced to pay for over 100 channels of mostly junk, including channels like WE and LIfetime which I will never watch.
So my guess is that it's legal. |
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You need to go back and rta. It's way more than 5 cents per user. ESPN wants to charge smaller ISPs as much as 79 cents per user.
That may still be less than $10 per year, but what is going to happen when other big corporations / industries start following suit? |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | reply to fifty nine
said by fifty nine:I probably want maybe four or five cable only channels on cable TV - Discovery, Fox News, CNN, Comedy Central and Nat Geo. Yet I'm forced to pay for over 100 channels of mostly junk, including channels like WE and LIfetime which I will never watch. So my guess is that it's legal. Thats communism! Where are the free market soldiers on DSLReports? |
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| said by patcat88:said by fifty nine:I probably want maybe four or five cable only channels on cable TV - Discovery, Fox News, CNN, Comedy Central and Nat Geo. Yet I'm forced to pay for over 100 channels of mostly junk, including channels like WE and LIfetime which I will never watch. So my guess is that it's legal. Thats communism! Where are the free market soldiers on DSLReports? i would very much like a la carte programming, but cable companies and content providers are fighting this tooth and nail. |
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BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to byteme
said by byteme :
You need to go back and rta. It's way more than 5 cents per user. ESPN wants to charge smaller ISPs as much as 79 cents per user.
That may still be less than $10 per year, but what is going to happen when other big corporations / industries start following suit?
"ESPN receives TV-type affiliate fees from operators for rights to make 360 available, reportedly charging a sub fee of 5 cents per month. ESPN says 360 carries 3,500 live sports events a year, from NBA playoff games to overseas cricket. " |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to patcat88
What's communistic about it? Seem fairly capitalistic to me...strategically sell more goods than the consumer wishes to purchase. Sounds like a capitalist wet dream to me. |
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join:2009-08-31
Amerika | reply to patcat88
Get our antitrust laws changed if you want to permit companies to abuse their market positions. |
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Z801 point 77Premium
join:2009-08-31
Amerika | reply to jdofaz
said by jdofaz :
You're still paying for it so they don't care. (If your ISP does)
Exactly, it would be nice except Cox doesn't give me that choice. |
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said by BF69:said by byteme :
You need to go back and rta. It's way more than 5 cents per user. ESPN wants to charge smaller ISPs as much as 79 cents per user.
That may still be less than $10 per year, but what is going to happen when other big corporations / industries start following suit?
"ESPN receives TV-type affiliate fees from operators for rights to make 360 available, reportedly charging a sub fee of 5 cents per month. ESPN says 360 carries 3,500 live sports events a year, from NBA playoff games to overseas cricket. " Point of fact - ESPN360 carries content *not* carried either by other ESPN networks or the various RSNs (while CSNDC, like all FSN affiliates, does have a cross-carriage agreement with Canada's TSN for CFL games, even CSNDC doesn't carry them all; I catch the remainder via ESPN360). Also, most of that additional fee comes from my existing CHSI bill (in short, I am not charged extra specifically for ESPN360, either via the cable-TV bill or the HSI bill). Would you favor ESPN360 instead being another linear channel?
As to why I watch the CFL (being that I'm hundreds of miles from the nearest Canadian border), blame the NFL players' strike of 1982, followed in the following decade by the CFL's (short-lived) expansion into the US. Also, the differences between the CFL and NFL (both in field dimensions and the one-less down) make for a MUCH more wide-open style of play compared to even collegiate football in the US, let alone the NFL. (And that is even though I'm still horked off at the CFL stealing the Baltimore Stallions immediately after they won the Grey Cup and importing them into Montreal as the New Alouettes.) |
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Z801 point 77Premium
join:2009-08-31
Amerika
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Ditto. I would like to see a la carte options. A la carte wouldn't mean the end of the typical packages, just more options for consumers. If content providers had to compete for ever customer, the sucky channels would die and content for the others would improve.
HBO is a la carte, and on many channels the Discoveries are on a higher tier. Why not USA or ESPN? Basic cable is FULL of worthless filler channels and the costs are increasing rapidly, even in the middle of a horrid recession.
The corporate shills want to scream free markets unless it comes to channels having to earn their business from subscribers. Then they advocate the channel welfare model.
If Cox wants to offer this extra content fine, but keep the dumb pipe dump and cheap and offer a package with the extra stuff. If such a package or packages included various content like a IGN subscription (like Comcast did), ESPN360, MLB.TV, Rhapsody/Napster, Superpass, maybe a few hours of Netflix streaming and some other premium content and/or software people would sign up just like they sign up for higher cable video tiers. |
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