Topic 'Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29' in forum 'Security' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23099439 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:53:36 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:53:36 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23167096 www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2353386,00.asp]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23167096 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:52:16 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23161391
Yes, MSE did quite well in that respected test. I'm particularly impressed that it had no FP's. (If it just had a EULA I liked....). ;)

So, Anav See Profile maybe you should go for it (assuming the EULA is ok by you). What do you mean by "the depth of protection"?
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One Care is NOT MSE so I have no idea how MSE will rate when tested but going on past MS antivirus products, I'd say stay with Avast for the time being or switch to Avira free version which is the lightest of all.
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You should *never* run more than one antivirus product that provides real time protection as they will conflict, causing performance issues, system instability, and may even cause protection to be compromised.
MSE should not be installed on a system that includes any other antivirus program.
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If things get any worse, I'll have to ask you to stop helping me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23156672 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:11:03 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23156653
I'm confused. Is MSE a replacement for anti-virus software (I'm currently using Avast) and anti-spyware/malware (I'm using Windows Defender) or just the latter? Or should it run along side anti-virus software? (I did read that it disables Windows Defender).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23156653 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:07:56 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23156235 said by StraitShoot:

It's extremely hard NOT to like MSE. Why are we even talking about that bloated horror show that also interferes with the way system restore works, "Norton"...?
A little OT... Strait, I love ya but Norton made it that way on purpose, so none of these new 'rogue bs'ers' will get NIS to stop working...

---> Recognizing the problem
PC or Notebook PCs may display error dialog popping up to report System Restore did not complete successfully after trying to restore the system to a previous state via Microsoft System Restore.
Resolving the problem
The PC or notebook PC is working as designed. The issue is related to Symantec product tamper protection.
Disable Norton Product Tamper Protection before restoring with Microsoft System Restore.
For NIS 2009, Norton Product Tamper Protection can be accessed using the following steps:

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Double click NIS icon .
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Click Computer , then select Settings .
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Select Miscellaneous Settings .
4.
Disable Norton Product Tamper Protection

and all is well, system restore will work as planned... Norton Product Tamper Protection is in place to help stop 'rogue installers' and others from getting the upper hand...

Now lets get a lollipop and "Who loves ya, baby?" ... ;) ...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23156235 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:29:58 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23155938 said by falcon04a :

Completely silent ( Invisible ) - could not find a way - unless the MSE command has a -s or -silent trailer.

MY script flashes the box on screen for a microsecond and then minimizes to tray until the refs. update is complete - not invisible, but works for me.
You can try the runas command and it could run in the background under a different user.

Or if you used /interactive when you scheduled it with thw AT command then that would make it show on screen. If it requires operator input then i guess you need it to be dispalyed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23155938 Fri, 09 Oct 2009 02:34:22 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23150030 Anyway to disable this?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23150030 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 05:40:43 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23149793 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23149793 Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:33:37 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23148994 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23148994 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 22:11:14 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23145069 Microsoft Shocker: Antivirus Software That Just Works | bMighty.com: Blogs For Small Business and Mid-Sized Business
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The author of this piece is NOT known as a Microsoft booster.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23145069 Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:51:47 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23138829 said by grumpi:

said by deke40:

I was talking about the check mark in the green symbol in the icon of MSE by the clock.

Maybe that is just a conincedence.
That check mark has always been there (since version 4.2, at least), it isn't related to MSE.
Thanks I couldn't remember what the original looked like.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23138829 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:40:39 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23138810 said by deke40:

I was talking about the check mark in the green symbol in the icon of MSE by the clock.

Maybe that is just a conincedence.
That check mark has always been there (since version 4.2, at least), it isn't related to MSE.

All 3 of my PC's with SpywareBlaster have that green check mark, and MSE isn't installed on any of them. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23138810 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:35:16 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23138620 --
When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23138620 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:34:14 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23138564 said by Dustyn:

said by deke40:

This is what my SpywareBlaster looked like just now then I re-enabled all the protection and you can see the second image has the MSE symbol on it.
What symbol?? It does? I can't see it?
I was talking about the check mark in the green symbol in the icon of MSE by the clock.

Maybe that is just a conincidence.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23138564 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:00:51 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23138302 said by deke40:

This is what my SpywareBlaster looked like just now then I re-enabled all the protection and you can see the second image has the MSE symbol on it.
What symbol?? It does? I can't see it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23138302 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:21:21 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23138300 Unfortunately, from what I've read, there is ZERO support for 64-bit versions... so I can't use it as I run Windows XP 64-bit. Which is fine, as I use Windows Defender + Avira Premium Security Suite. I would have been nice to at least been able to try MSE... but I don't need this if I'm running Avira.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23138300 Tue, 06 Oct 2009 02:19:17 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23137343
Here is a popup I get when clicking "Uninstall Info" under Tools.

I then just click on Continue and everything comes up that should. Just a strange one.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23137343 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:33:18 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23137292 said by falcon04:

Thanks, Aaron - I figured as much. I enabled Spynet again.

I would note that the freqency of "calling home" on Spynet has diminished markedly in the last 2 days.

Figure out a new name - Spynet is just too obvious - even to non-paranoics like me !
How did you turn Spynet off?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23137292 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:26:51 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23137084
I would note that the freqency of "calling home" on Spynet has diminished markedly in the last 2 days.

Figure out a new name - Spynet is just too obvious - even to non-paranoics like me !]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23137084 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:50:22 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23136890 said by falcon04:

Does disabling SpyNet cause problems with Dynamic Signature Service ?

Are the two linked in any way ?
Heard back on this just now, and they are linked, meaning if you disable SpyNet, you'll also disable Dynamic Signature Service.

//Aaron
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Running more than one "active" AV/AS can pose problems - or at least a system slow down - but the aforementioned are no-cost extras to me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23136758 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:46:45 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23136552 said by falcon04:

SDHELPER checked (on) - its a BHO and basicly no-load.

TEATIMER unchecked (off) - this is the big load and shows the tray icon.

TEATIMER is active and can slow your system - the other aspects of S S&D are additions to your Hosts file and to restricted sites. SWB uses killbits and is also passive.

I show absolutely no memory usage with this setup. To reiterate, NO TEATIMER !
Got it back on the pc with the Teatimer turned off. Since I had gotten rid of Spybot with the Teatimer not running I hardly ever heard my cooling fan kick up to a higher speed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23136552 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:08:48 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23136461 said by PeeWee:

I wonder if MalWareBytes should be allowed to run realtime with MSE?
I only have the free version and it doesn't have that option.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23136461 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:55:05 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23136319 --
My grandkids ARE cuter than yours! ;-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23136319 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:26:31 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23136289 said by dave:

I though there was a rule that anyone thinking they were a 'power user' automatically was not one?
I'm hoping that's true for the naive masses also. Or at least us unwashed ones.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23136289 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:19:32 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23135917
TEATIMER unchecked (off) - this is the big load and shows the tray icon.

TEATIMER is active and can slow your system - the other aspects of S S&D are additions to your Hosts file and to restricted sites. SWB uses killbits and is also passive.

I show absolutely no memory usage with this setup. To reiterate, NO TEATIMER !]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23135917 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:07:40 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23135673 said by falcon04:

Has no effect on Spywareblaster on 2 boxes. Would keep Spybot S&D "Immunize" as this like Spywareblaster is strictly passive, but way useful. Both work for me.
Do you leave the Resident Shield and Teatimer turned off?

Does it still leave Spybot showing in the Taskmanager as it puts a big load there on mine.(86,000k)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23135673 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:22:55 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23135661
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When I installed MSE I got rid of Spybot and SuperAntispyware but left SpywareBlaster on my pc.

Checked on SB this morning to see about an update and found a lot of the protection items disabled. Reenabled all protection and the SB logo changed to the MSE logo.

I guess MSE does some of the same things and doesn't want another program taking over some of it's duties.
It did not interfere with spywareblaster on my compter. Win 7x64.
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Here is some info on the Windows Update Agent that was downloaded with MSE.

"If you enable Windows Update, some software components that are directly related to Windows Update will have to be updated occasionally on your computer. These updates must be performed before Windows Update can check for required updates or before it can install other updates. These required updates fix errors, provide ongoing improvements, and maintain compatibility with the Microsoft servers that support Windows Update. If you disable Windows Update, you will not receive these updates."

"When the Windows Update server is updated, a corresponding client update is typically required. During an agent self-update operation, Windows Update Agent files may be added, modified, or replaced. For example, Windows Update Agent files that help display the user experience or that determine whether updates apply to a particular system may be added. This behavior occurs when a system is set up to automatically check for available updates. It does not occur when automatic updates are turned off. For example, the behavior does not occur if you select Never check for updates in Windows Vista or if you select Turn off Automatic Updates in Windows XP."

Now I am wondering if I pick the "never check for updates" and do my usual manual download will I be shortchanging myself?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23129550 Sun, 04 Oct 2009 11:41:38 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23129216 Norton's response to MSE]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23129216 Sun, 04 Oct 2009 09:56:28 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23129150
Search your Windows registry for: SignatureUpdateInterval

Set the "SignatureUpdateInterval"=dword:00000001 to any hours between 1 ~ 24
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MY script flashes the box on screen for a microsecond and then minimizes to tray until the refs. update is complete - not invisible, but works for me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23129072 Sun, 04 Oct 2009 09:07:06 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23128944
Checked on SB this morning to see about an update and found a lot of the protection items disabled. Reenabled all protection and the SB logo changed to the MSE logo.

I guess MSE does some of the same things and doesn't want another program taking over some of it's duties.
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I have mine set to check for updates but to ask me if I want to download and install them.

I did an update through MSE and then looked on the update history and it was there which I guess it should be.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23128905 Sun, 04 Oct 2009 06:43:57 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23128764 said by falcon04:

Thanks, Aaron.

Well, Duh !

Simple script:

@echo off
cd C:\Program Files\Microsoft Security Essentials
start /min MpCmdRun.exe -SignatureUpdate

Call this .bat file from TS. Works as advertised.

Getting so old I'm forgetting my DOS !
How could I get this script to run silently, with no cmd pop up?

Thanks ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23128764 Sun, 04 Oct 2009 03:35:41 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23125256
It was early, I'm the one with the head that isn't clear. :hmm:
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said by JimR1...MVP, Moderator, in second post :
MSE will not run on Windows Home Server. MSE installation is supported on Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 only.

In case I wasn't clear, Security Essentials is running under Vista, not Home Server.

The Vista machine is a Home Server client.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23125129 Sat, 03 Oct 2009 09:44:36 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23124906 said by dave:

When I log in, the Home Server tray icon is green for a while, then turns red and pops up a warning because the anti-spyware is off, then somewhat later turns green again.

It's true that ONE OF the anti-spyware components is off, but that's not a problem.

Anyone else seeing this?
I bugged this and believe it is on the WHS side (hoping it's resolved when PP3 is released).

As soon as you click on the Connector notice in the tray the status will turn green again.
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...
I said that POWER USERS would be crazy to use this not the naive masses. ... I'm glad you added that Mele.
As you said, not all of us are "POWER USERS".

Some of us (like me), are just poor dumb country folk, who are just doing our best to try and get by. :(
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I figured I'd install this for the experience.

There's a weird interaction with Windows Home Server. My Vista system now has two anti-spyware components: Defender (off), and Security Essentials (on).

When I log in, the Home Server tray icon is green for a while, then turns red and pops up a warning because the anti-spyware is off, then somewhat later turns green again.

It's true that ONE OF the anti-spyware components is off, but that's not a problem.

Anyone else seeing this?
The machine I tested it on was an XP machine dave (and it didn't have Defender installed on it).

Security Essentials is designed to disable Windows Defender though, so, as you said, that shouldn't be causing the problem.

Once if finally turns green again, does it stay that way?

I do know that if I played with any of the few settings the program had (like turned real time protection off, or even a single component real time protectionon had), the tray icon would turn red and it would take forever to turn green again even after re-enabling the option.

Perhaps someone else will chime in with a setup similar to yours.

(Edit..one of several, as usual)
Hmm, here's an interesting link:

said by JimR1...MVP, Moderator, in second post :
MSE will not run on Windows Home Server. MSE installation is supported on Windows XP, Vista, and Windows 7 only.


»social.answers.microsoft.com/For···8cbe8cc4
So maybe causing the strange results?

(Editsalajabarnut™)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23124744 Sat, 03 Oct 2009 06:41:55 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23124565 said by Anonymous_:

5 x millions of people = millions of $$$$
I don't understand your comment. You are saying Microsoft is going to be paying out millions of dollars (at $5 each person) for all the damage this antivirus application is going to cause? That doesn't follow from what I said. I said that POWER USERS would be crazy to use this not the naive masses. There are not "millions" of power users but power users should stay the hell away from it. I never let any AV do a full scan of my computers as most of them will, no how carefully configured by the user, try to quarantine something that you know is not malware. But this Microsoft product takes the cake in this area. It gleefully deletes anything it doesn't like and the user can't change that!

I have lots of viruses on my computer. None of them have ever been allowed to execute so they have done no damage but I don't want to have to zip them and password protect them so Microsoft's poorly designed AV won't delete them on the first "automatic" run it does! I have one "pet" virus that Avira freaks over but Virus Total states that since it was "discovered" two years ago that only 24% of AV detect it even today after I had a new scan done on it. That says FP to me. I opened it in Vista which is on a virtual machine using undo disks so no harm if it actually proved to be a baddie. It was harmless. In fact Virus Total notes that it consists of just some text and wonders why it was submitted. I don't know if Microsoft's AV detects it but if it does I don't want it deleted. I like to run it by any new AV I get. GDATA detects it with the Avast engine, and Avast has detected it for 2 years, but Bit Defender engine doesn't detect it and 76% of AV at Virus Total have never detected it.

There is another reason to not install it unless you are an average user ignorant about computer security. There is NO reason to ever run a full scan unless you have reason to suspect infection and with this AV you cannot stop it from running a full scan as soon as installed. And since you cannot set it to "Ignore" and report ONLY at the end of the scan then I would never try it.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23124565 Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:05:46 EDT Re: Microsoft confirms Security Essentials to be released 9/29 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23123981 said by Mele20:

said by siljaline:

Other than WGA and this typically lengthy MS EULA, no, you have no privacy rights with this software ;)
»www.microsoft.com/security_essen···#mainNav
Aw..geez. How could anyone, especially Security forum members, install it after reading that EULA? I have NEVER read a worse EULA. I thought the EULA for Netscape 8 was awful but this one far exceeds it in despicibility for many reasons.

And what a joke...$5 maximum you can claim for all the damage it probably will do to your computer. Any power user who installs that crap has to be crazy or is installing it on a virtual machine with snapshots or undo disks.
5 x millions of people = millions of $$$$]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Microsoft-confirms-Security-Essentials-to-be-released-929-23123981 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:12:30 EDT