AlexandreG
join:2009-08-06 | reply to Croaker
Re: UBB round 2 at the CRTC
Yeah right... Because people like me that are using 2-3gb every months are paying WAY too much for the connection... And the people that are using like 500go (don't know how you can do that) are not paying more than me... |
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Croaker
join:2009-10-01
Ottawa ON
3 edits | said by AlexandreG  :Yeah right... Because people like me that are using 2-3gb every months are paying WAY too much for the connection... And the people that are using like 500go (don't know how you can do that) are not paying more than me... Not sure what you're getting at but you shouldn't be paying more than pennies a month for 2-3Gb usage regardless of connection speed.
My family of four easily average 100Gb/month as it is. The kids are into mash-ups and remixes and this whole social networking thing... I can only see this going up as medical, education, entertainment, etc services come into being. None of which will originate in Canada as we don't have the infrastructure for it.
At the moment, you need to physically travel to a doctor for a routine consult. I can see the day when medical monitoring is done remotely and consults are done by video conferencing without granny needing to bum a two-hour ride down to Ottawa for a blood test.
As I said though - none of this stuff is even remotely (no pun intended) possible because there will not be a 'digital economy' under current telecom industry conditions. You can't even stream a crappy youtube video without breaking the bank. How do you expect to virtually attend lectures at leading Canadian Universities? How are film producers expected to stream their works directly to your home? We have a nascent and vibrant new media industry that will become stillborn as the cost/speed will finally stifle any innovation.
If this UBB thing goes through you can kiss the digital economy goodbye. Who will buy a 2$ movie offering when it will cost an additional 10$ to download?
Anyhow, we aren't serving the next generation of innovators well... |
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An_Onymous
@teksavvy.com
| >How do you expect to virtually attend lectures at leading Canadian Universities?
From what I have seen, some of the College/University students in the states already have to do their assignments at certain websites and graded for their math and science courses. This internet isn't going away.
This reminds me of this story of a young man from Malawi who at the age of 14 who built a windmill generator out of discarded items.
»hackaday.com/2009/10/08/william-···stewart/
>He was invited to the TED conference in 2007 and someone asked him if he’d used the Internet. Of course he hadn’t and they then started talking about using Google. When the search engine was explained to him he suggested that “windmill” be entered as a query. When millions of hits were returned his revelation was “Where was this Google all this time?”.
Just hope we don't need to past down stories verbally to the younger generations about how we ended up at the bottom of the world and how great the internet was before the mega corporations took it away from us. |
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AlexandreG
join:2009-08-06
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Well... What I mean is that I pay like 35$ for 2-3 gb... And people are paying 40 for 300gb... that's just.... I don't know...
For me, it is like 39$ a month for a 512k dry line... And I use like 2-3gb every month... I sort of pay for prople that are using 600gb every months... |
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backness
join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2 | No actually you pay for your service... You aren't subsidizing anything. The network is there irrespective. |
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olebiker
join:2008-04-16
Glenburnie, ON
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said by AlexandreG :Well... What I mean is that I pay like 35$ for 2-3 gb... And people are paying 40 for 300gb... that's just.... I don't know... For me, it is like 39$ a month for a 512k dry line... And I use like 2-3gb every month... I sort of pay for prople that are using 600gb every months... You can kind of compare it to the highway. You perhaps drive at 80kms/hr and only do 5,000kms/year. Your neighbour drives at 120kms/hr and does 50,000kms/yr. It maybe a bit more wear and tear on the road but it does not cost him more to use that road than it does you. |
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AlexandreG
join:2009-08-06 | reply to backness
Well.. yeah... actually... I don't mind paying 40$ a month for this...
I just want it to go up... it is WAYYYY more expensive than it should for what it is... |
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olebiker
join:2008-04-16
Glenburnie, ON
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| said by AlexandreG :Well.. yeah... actually... I don't mind paying 40$ a month for this... I just want it to go up... it is WAYYYY more expensive than it should for what it is... You are right it is. |
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InvalidError
join:2008-02-03
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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said by olebiker :You can kind of compare it to the highway. You perhaps drive at 80kms/hr and only do 5,000kms/year. Your neighbour drives at 120kms/hr and does 50,000kms/yr. It maybe a bit more wear and tear on the road but it does not cost him more to use that road than it does you. Not quite: depending on where you live, between 30% and 50% of the cost of gasoline is taxes.
So, the more distance you do, the more taxes you pay and the faster you go, the less efficient your car will be and the more surplus taxes you will pay due to that as well. |
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olebiker
join:2008-04-16
Glenburnie, ON
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| said by InvalidError :said by olebiker :You can kind of compare it to the highway. You perhaps drive at 80kms/hr and only do 5,000kms/year. Your neighbour drives at 120kms/hr and does 50,000kms/yr. It maybe a bit more wear and tear on the road but it does not cost him more to use that road than it does you. Not quite: depending on where you live, between 30% and 50% of the cost of gasoline is taxes. So, the more distance you do, the more taxes you pay and the faster you go, the less efficient your car will be and the more surplus taxes you will pay due to that as well. You have a point but I see ubb as on top of that tax they want add tolls. Plus it is tolls on an old established road. |
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InvalidError
join:2008-02-03
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| said by olebiker :You have a point but I see ubb as on top of that tax they want add tolls. Plus it is tolls on an old established road. Well, Montreal recently came within an inch of reintroducing tolls to enter the city... but for the time being, they settled for increasing parking fees and reducing the number of free parking spots across the board. |
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olebiker
join:2008-04-16
Glenburnie, ON
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| said by InvalidError :said by olebiker :You have a point but I see ubb as on top of that tax they want add tolls. Plus it is tolls on an old established road. Well, Montreal recently came within an inch of reintroducing tolls to enter the city... but for the time being, they settled for increasing parking fees and reducing the number of free parking spots across the board. Don't forget the high priced fines handed out in traffic tickets. I got one there this spring for something I didn't know was illegal. And it wasn't cheap. |
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Oinktastic
join:2005-08-24
Scarborough
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| said by olebiker :said by InvalidError :said by olebiker :You have a point but I see ubb as on top of that tax they want add tolls. Plus it is tolls on an old established road. Well, Montreal recently came within an inch of reintroducing tolls to enter the city... but for the time being, they settled for increasing parking fees and reducing the number of free parking spots across the board. Don't forget the high priced fines handed out in traffic tickets. I got one there this spring for something I didn't know was illegal. And it wasn't cheap. I dunno man, racing an officer is illegal in MOST places... |
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olebiker
join:2008-04-16
Glenburnie, ON
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| said by Oinktastic :I dunno man, racing an officer is illegal in MOST places... I was on the bike and the thought did cross my mind but it is damn hard to outrun a radio. I crossed some lines in the road on Decarrie when I shouldn't have. At least that was my understanding. |
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InvalidError
join:2008-02-03
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said by olebiker :Don't forget the high priced fines handed out in traffic tickets. I got one there this spring for something I didn't know was illegal. And it wasn't cheap. True, we also have speed cameras creeping up on highways too... not losing points on your license but lead-footed people may feel the hit to their wallets. That's another inexpensive but promising revenue stream. |
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olebiker
join:2008-04-16
Glenburnie, ON
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| said by InvalidError :said by olebiker :Don't forget the high priced fines handed out in traffic tickets. I got one there this spring for something I didn't know was illegal. And it wasn't cheap. True, we also have speed cameras creeping up on highways too... not losing points on your license but lead-footed people may feel the hit to their wallets. That's another inexpensive but promising revenue stream. Ontario tried that a number of years ago but it didn't last that long. I know that some areas of the states are heavily dependant on them. |
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er umm
@videotron.ca | Starting to fade into the realm of off-topic here.
Try Canadian chat? |
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jam_bongo
join:2002-07-17
Toronto, ON
| reply to An_Onymous
said by An_Onymous :>How do you expect to virtually attend lectures at leading Canadian Universities? From what I have seen, some of the College/University students in the states already have to do their assignments at certain websites and graded for their math and science courses. This internet isn't going away. This reminds me of this story of a young man from Malawi who at the age of 14 who built a windmill generator out of discarded items. » hackaday.com/2009/10/08/william-···stewart/>He was invited to the TED conference in 2007 and someone asked him if he’d used the Internet. Of course he hadn’t and they then started talking about using Google. When the search engine was explained to him he suggested that “windmill” be entered as a query. When millions of hits were returned his revelation was “Where was this Google all this time?”. Just hope we don't need to past down stories verbally to the younger generations about how we ended up at the bottom of the world and how great the internet was before the mega corporations took it away from us. Well.. MIT does have the OpenCourse project where many of its materials are put online, which is a supplement but its not a complete substitute |
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olebiker
join:2008-04-16
Glenburnie, ON | reply to er umm
said by er umm :
Starting to fade into the realm of off-topic here.
Try Canadian chat?
True enough sorry about that. |
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InvalidError
join:2008-02-03
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said by er umm :
Starting to fade into the realm of off-topic here. Just a short tangent about the bad roads analogy a few posts up... the roads themselves may not cost more straight out of your pockets if you use them more often but people do indirectly pay UBB through gasoline taxes, parking fees, tickets (speed/stop cameras), etc.
So UBB is still center-stage  |
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