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reply to knightmb

Re: Not surprised

said by knightmb:

said by apollo80:

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

LOL, it's no surprise to me. Did anyone really think that 8 years of Bush could be undone in less than a year, less than 2 years? Plug-in McCain for Obama and you would have the same result, but in the opposite direction.

It always cracks me up that those that voted against Obama in the last election have higher (sometimes unrealistic) expectations than the very people that did vote for him. Good thing we have online forums such as this to vent out people's feelings.

It's funny you say that because Republicans still are crying about Bill Clinton to this day.

Couldn't go a week in the last 8 years without a bashing Clinton, blaming Clinton, crying about Clinton article or TV segment on FakeNews.

Yet not even a year into Obama's term....and they want us to stop even remotely talking about George Bush.

It's like....huh?

reply to Time

said by Time:

said by knightmb:

said by apollo80:

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

LOL, it's no surprise to me. Did anyone really think that 8 years of Bush could be undone in less than a year, less than 2 years? Plug-in McCain for Obama and you would have the same result, but in the opposite direction.

It always cracks me up that those that voted against Obama in the last election have higher (sometimes unrealistic) expectations than the very people that did vote for him. Good thing we have online forums such as this to vent out people's feelings.

PST - Bush is long gone, this is your saviors time now. You can only blame the previous administration for so long. "It always cracks me up" how those who voted for Obama still pull the Bush card. You'll likely be doing that 3 1/2 years down the road when the elections come up again.

reply to Rob
I agree. So why would one side tell the other to stop bringing the other up? No matter who is in office, the minute something bad happens, the previous admin will be blamed by the new ones fans.

Clinton was blamed for everything under the sun that went down during Bush's terrible 2 terms. Bush will be blamed for everything under the sun that goes down during Obama's....well, we will see what his term or terms bring.

reply to Van

reply to Van
There's one big difference between Bush and Clinton: Bush went after Bin Laden. Clinton had the chance to kill him, and let him get away.

As far as I'm concerned, some of the blood that was shed on 9/11 is on Clinton's hands.
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Nobel peace prize for Obammer... Now he's got one more thing in common with Arafat besides hating America. And he's just as succesful as Jimmy "the failure" Carter.

reply to Time
He has not even been President for 1 freakin year. Let me repeat that....not 1 freakin year.

The fact that some are already calling him a failure, etc....shows they have motives that reach far behind what he actually does.

It's comical....2 years in? Sure....not even 1 year? Could people show their bias any more?

I DID NOT EVEN VOTE FOR THE DAMN MAN

reply to NOVA_Guy
Clinton went after him...and failed

Much like Bush

People want to give Bush credit for "trying" which is odd to me as a more calculated approach to Iraq's situation may have in fact netted Bin Laden

Instead, we went in guns blazing and screwed it all up from the start.

reply to Time
Personally I find Beck more libertarian.

reply to Time
Do you really expect a community organizer or his lemmings to take responsibility?

reply to Van
Appearantly that was long enough to surpass Bush's deficiet by a factor of three.

And he did it in less than 1 freakin year. Let me repeat that....in less than 1 freakin year.

reply to Van

reply to Van
What I recall most is Clinton electing to not expend significant resources going after him after he tried to bring down the WTC the first time. We knew where he was, and could have killed him much quicker and easier than now.

But Clinton didn't have the balls to deal with him in that manner, much like Carter couldn't deal with hostage takers. So far it seems like Obama is shaping up to be from the same mold-- he seems to care more about getting the world to like us than doing the tasks of a man charged with acting in the best interests of the United States. We don't need to win popularity contests among the nations of the world, and we shouldn't have a president who acts as though we do.
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Nobel peace prize for Obammer... Now he's got one more thing in common with Arafat besides hating America. And he's just as succesful as Jimmy "the failure" Carter.

reply to Time
1. I rush to fight stupidity.
2. Well no, I mocked them 3 times in this thread. Is that the best people have now? 3 times = Vote for Obama? Pass on the book detailing the exact number of times needed.

As for me not voting for Obama, I didn't. I wouldn't have the slightest problem saying otherwise. The fact that you are stuck on it tells me you have nothing else to say. It's a common attack online when people are faced with their idiotic arguments.

Again, you want to cry about Obama after less than 1 year tells me you have little to no actual interest in anything he has to do. You are the type who gets to work (if you work) and first thing first goes to some extreme blog and finds the bashing article of the day. You read how much Obama sucks and think to yourself, "Yea, that will teach him"

It's sad, It's pathetic, and it's why so many people are running away from both parties.

reply to Time
Huh, really? Like throughout Bush's term not one republican blamed everything on Clinton? I mean 9/11 was all Clinton's fault I thought because Bush had only been in office such a short time that there was no way he was able to read memos put on his desk warning him about impending attacks against the US by terrorist groups? In fact wasn't Bush on vacation 90% of the time before 9/11? Obama goes on a weekend break with the family and that is huge news.

Heck republicans still preach about their savior Regan. The very President who laid out the ground work for economic collapse. Reaganomics the very notion of removing regulations and removing corporate taxes, it maybe a great idea in theory, but only if greed wasn't a motivating factor in corporate America.

I have no great love for Obama going back on what he campaigned for as a open government and transparency. This is going to hurt him bad in the next election as even many who believed in him will have trouble distinguishing him from policies made during the Bush administration that now that he as President is not willing to let go.

Then again I do not like two party systems at all, too much room for corruption, too much room for back room deals. Just the whole notion of a two party system plays out as they can just always blame the other side, while actually never doing or accomplishing much of anything. It's always the other party that is to blame.

As they say, how can you trust a senator who will spend 10's of millions running for a seat that pays $174k a year. Politicians spend more time in office looking for money for their next campaign rather then actually doing the job they were elected to do.

I guess I am just tired of watching politics ruin this country, all in the name of a buck, which is losing value every day.

reply to knightmb

"No one thinks of Obama as the savior or messiah"

You must have missed the rally at Grant Park in Chicago on election night. The tears, the ecstatic smiles, the hugs.

People DID think he was the messiah, and thought they'd been saved. Hallelujah!

Reality is setting in. Nobody can turn this ship quickly, there is just too much inertia. It takes a lot of effort, with people working together. Are there enough to make a difference?

I think he had good intentions, and willingly accepted the adoration and unrealistic expectations, but now's the time his hair will turn completely gray, trying to balance all of the energies.

Anyone with a long-term perspective realized that the political pendulum had swung to the extreme left with tax-and-spend about to occur. And, here we are. The pendulum will swing back the other way in a few years, and we can fight about that when it happens.

reply to neowulf

reply to NOVA_Guy
Bush had the chance to go after him too, he received a memo prior to the attacks warning him about impending attacks by terrorist organizations, he chose to do nothing before the attacks as with Clinton, neither of them was any better at dealing with Bin Laden. Bush also had a second chance at Bin Laden in Afghanistan, he gave up to go after Iraq because Iraq was no longer going to use the US dollar for oil trading. The whole use of that Iraq supports terrorist, and them having weapons of mass destruction was found out to be a farce put on by the Bush administration. Even if it was true, well we have known for years that Saudi Arabia does support terrorist activities, almost every person who took part on the attacks on 9/11 on the planes held Saudi citizenship, but we don't do anything there. I wonder why, maybe because they still accept the US dollar for oil trading?

Hey look Iran started talking about scrapping the dollar in favor of the Euro and Yen about two years ago, hmmm about the same time the whole Iran has weapons of mass destruction stories started to pop up in the news, coincidence? I think in that case Americans took to the Bush notion of, "Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."