 VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | reply to Time
Re: Not surprised It's funny you say that because Republicans still are crying about Bill Clinton to this day.
Couldn't go a week in the last 8 years without a bashing Clinton, blaming Clinton, crying about Clinton article or TV segment on FakeNews.
Yet not even a year into Obama's term....and they want us to stop even remotely talking about George Bush.
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 RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL kudos:2 | said by Van:It's funny you say that because Republicans still are crying about Bill Clinton to this day. Couldn't go a week in the last 8 years without a bashing Clinton, blaming Clinton, crying about Clinton article or TV segment on FakeNews. Yet not even a year into Obama's term....and they want us to stop even remotely talking about George Bush. It's like....huh? What happened, happened. We can't change it, so there's no point in getting upset over it.
When Bush was in office, the Democrats always said "Bush is in office, not Clinton, so stop bringing up what Clinton did", yet the Democrats continue to bring up Bush.
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 VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | I agree. So why would one side tell the other to stop bringing the other up? No matter who is in office, the minute something bad happens, the previous admin will be blamed by the new ones fans.
Clinton was blamed for everything under the sun that went down during Bush's terrible 2 terms. Bush will be blamed for everything under the sun that goes down during Obama's....well, we will see what his term or terms bring. |
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 RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium join:2001-08-25 Kendall, FL kudos:2 | said by Van:I agree. So why would one side tell the other to stop bringing the other up? No matter who is in office, the minute something bad happens, the previous admin will be blamed by the new ones fans. Clinton was blamed for everything under the sun that went down during Bush's terrible 2 terms. Bush will be blamed for everything under the sun that goes down during Obama's....well, we will see what his term or terms bring. I just feel bad for the very last person who will be President of the U.S. - he'll get blamed for everything!  -- CheckSite.us | YourIP.us | Reverseip.us |
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1 edit | reply to Van said by Van:It's funny you say that because Republicans still are crying about Bill Clinton to this day. Couldn't go a week in the last 8 years without a bashing Clinton, blaming Clinton, crying about Clinton article or TV segment on FakeNews. Yet not even a year into Obama's term....and they want us to stop even remotely talking about George Bush. It's like....huh? Except for the fact that I'm not a Republican, and I don't like Republicans, so I really could care less what that party does. I've no clue what they are blaming Clinton for, but it is probably moronic.
I'm just pointing out the fact that you can only blame Bush and his Administration for so long, and it's past that time. You have to start taking responsibility for whom you elected, and he has to start taking responsibility for his actions/administration's actions and the very obvious lies throughout the campaign. I hate saying "I told you so", but anyone who bought that "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN" garbage deserves it. All politicians are the same crooks with different letters by their names.
Frankly, the whole "FauxNews" and "FakeNews" thing isn't really surprising. Fox News is just as biased as MSNBC, Matthews is to O'Reilly, as Hannity is to Olbermann, as Beck is to Maddow. They're both the same, just on different sides of the political spectrum, so I hope for your sake that you don't view MSNBC as a "real" source of news while criticizing "FauxNews". -- "If it can't be done with brains, it can't be done with hours" - Clarence "Kelly" Johnson |
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 NOVA_GuyObamaCare Kills AmericansPremium join:2002-03-05 | reply to Van There's one big difference between Bush and Clinton: Bush went after Bin Laden. Clinton had the chance to kill him, and let him get away.
As far as I'm concerned, some of the blood that was shed on 9/11 is on Clinton's hands. -- Nobel peace prize for Obammer... Now he's got one more thing in common with Arafat besides hating America. And he's just as succesful as Jimmy "the failure" Carter. |
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 VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | reply to Time He has not even been President for 1 freakin year. Let me repeat that....not 1 freakin year.
The fact that some are already calling him a failure, etc....shows they have motives that reach far behind what he actually does.
It's comical....2 years in? Sure....not even 1 year? Could people show their bias any more?
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 VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | reply to NOVA_Guy Clinton went after him...and failed
Much like Bush
People want to give Bush credit for "trying" which is odd to me as a more calculated approach to Iraq's situation may have in fact netted Bin Laden
Instead, we went in guns blazing and screwed it all up from the start. |
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 lesopp join:2001-06-27 Land O Lakes, FL | reply to Time Do you really expect a community organizer or his lemmings to take responsibility? |
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 lesopp join:2001-06-27 Land O Lakes, FL | reply to Van Appearantly that was long enough to surpass Bush's deficiet by a factor of three.
And he did it in less than 1 freakin year. Let me repeat that....in less than 1 freakin year. |
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| reply to Van said by Van:He has not even been President for 1 freakin year. Let me repeat that....not 1 freakin year. The fact that some are already calling him a failure, etc....shows they have motives that reach far behind what he actually does. It's comical....2 years in? Sure....not even 1 year? Could people show their bias any more? I DID NOT EVEN VOTE FOR THE DAMN MAN 1. You rush to the defense of a man you didn't vote for. 2. You criticize "FauxNews" every chance you can in this thread.
Do you really expect anyone to buy that you didn't vote for this guy?
It doesn't matter if it hasn't been one year yet, we were promised change and transparency, and none of that has happened. Actually, I should say that we weren't promised anything, those who chose to "VOTE FOR CHANGE" were, thus they are the ones that are actually being shafted. He's no different than Bush & Co., sorry to say. As the saying goes; same shit, different day. -- "If it can't be done with brains, it can't be done with hours" - Clarence "Kelly" Johnson |
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 NOVA_GuyObamaCare Kills AmericansPremium join:2002-03-05 | reply to Van What I recall most is Clinton electing to not expend significant resources going after him after he tried to bring down the WTC the first time. We knew where he was, and could have killed him much quicker and easier than now.
But Clinton didn't have the balls to deal with him in that manner, much like Carter couldn't deal with hostage takers. So far it seems like Obama is shaping up to be from the same mold-- he seems to care more about getting the world to like us than doing the tasks of a man charged with acting in the best interests of the United States. We don't need to win popularity contests among the nations of the world, and we shouldn't have a president who acts as though we do. -- Nobel peace prize for Obammer... Now he's got one more thing in common with Arafat besides hating America. And he's just as succesful as Jimmy "the failure" Carter. |
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 VanPremium join:2009-07-08 New Orleans, LA | reply to Time 1. I rush to fight stupidity. 2. Well no, I mocked them 3 times in this thread. Is that the best people have now? 3 times = Vote for Obama? Pass on the book detailing the exact number of times needed.
As for me not voting for Obama, I didn't. I wouldn't have the slightest problem saying otherwise. The fact that you are stuck on it tells me you have nothing else to say. It's a common attack online when people are faced with their idiotic arguments.
Again, you want to cry about Obama after less than 1 year tells me you have little to no actual interest in anything he has to do. You are the type who gets to work (if you work) and first thing first goes to some extreme blog and finds the bashing article of the day. You read how much Obama sucks and think to yourself, "Yea, that will teach him"
It's sad, It's pathetic, and it's why so many people are running away from both parties. |
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 neowulf join:2000-10-20 Port Orange, FL | reply to NOVA_Guy Bush had the chance to go after him too, he received a memo prior to the attacks warning him about impending attacks by terrorist organizations, he chose to do nothing before the attacks as with Clinton, neither of them was any better at dealing with Bin Laden. Bush also had a second chance at Bin Laden in Afghanistan, he gave up to go after Iraq because Iraq was no longer going to use the US dollar for oil trading. The whole use of that Iraq supports terrorist, and them having weapons of mass destruction was found out to be a farce put on by the Bush administration. Even if it was true, well we have known for years that Saudi Arabia does support terrorist activities, almost every person who took part on the attacks on 9/11 on the planes held Saudi citizenship, but we don't do anything there. I wonder why, maybe because they still accept the US dollar for oil trading?
Hey look Iran started talking about scrapping the dollar in favor of the Euro and Yen about two years ago, hmmm about the same time the whole Iran has weapons of mass destruction stories started to pop up in the news, coincidence? I think in that case Americans took to the Bush notion of, "Fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again." |
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| said by neowulf:Bush had the chance to go after him too, ... I always find it amusing when Clinton opponents claim that Clinton is the cause of 9/11 because it was obvious what Bin Laden was plotting, and Clinton didn't give it sufficient priority.
President Bush had nine months. What did he do? If it was supposed to be so obvious, why didn't he make it his singular priority?
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| reply to Uncle Paul said by Uncle Paul:Personally I find Beck more libertarian. Sure, if libertarian = rapid-cycling bipolar. -- with every mistake we must surely be learning |
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| said by sporkme:said by Uncle Paul:Personally I find Beck more libertarian. Sure, if libertarian = rapid-cycling bipolar. Beck probably leans small-L libertarian. I'm sure if pinned down on consistent application of his principle-based rhetoric, he'd squirm and begin talking about how big-L Libertarians are irrelevant. (That's how it always works.).
I remember in the mid- to late-'90s after the so-called "Republican Revolution" began to fade due to public backlash, Limbaugh began backbeddling from his libertarian positions. His audience felt betrayed by Rs who they felt had been elected with a huge mandate, and were now "caving." They were increasingly discontent with Limbaugh not speaking out. They were talking in modern "teabagger" terms, and Limbaugh wasn't joining in.
I'll never forget the night that Limbaugh (on his TV show) drew the line in the sand, and went through his "kook test." He began, "you're a kook if you believe...." There were 10-12 things, each describing the people who had taken his small-l libertarianism seriously over the past 3-4 years.
His audience sat in awkward silence. Forced to decide if they were Limbaugh fans, or ideologues.
I forget what the "kook" definitions were. I recall one was "if you believe the UN is part of a one-world conspiracy, you're a kook."
It was really something to see. It whipped his audience in line. Let them know where they needed to be in order to be "good Rs." Gone was a large dose of principle-ladden rhetoric.
I think the difference between Beck and Limbaugh is that Beck hasn't been forced (yet) to define himself like that.
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| reply to Van If I work? I'm serving active duty in the USAF as a 62EX.
I don't read blogs, but I'm sure you read garbage like the Daily Kos and formulate your opinions around the dribble that is posted.
You're right, I don't have an interest in anything he has to do. Everything is a publicity stunt - like running to grab the Olympics for Chicago, but giving General McChrystal only thirty minutes of his time to discuss Afghanistan on Air Force One. Since when is it "one year" that defines how long I have to be able to criticize a President? Things aren't going to be any different in January. He's not going to magically change everything in January. It is you, who needs a reality check away from your ignorance.
It doesn't matter in the end, he built up too much inertia and too many broken promises to recover from. He will be a one term President - just like Jimmy Carter. I think he has good intentions, but when you make promises, you need to own up to them if they cannot be met. -- "If it can't be done with brains, it can't be done with hours" - Clarence "Kelly" Johnson |
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2 edits | said by Time:He will be a one term President - just like Jimmy Carter. Depends on who Rs run against him. Remember how bad Clinton looked after Whitewater, Monica, cigars, etc? And the Rs ran Dole? And Clinton won? (OMG!).
Right now, extremist Rs are hoping for a "Republican Revolution" revival in the 2010 mid-term elections. They're threatening moderate Rs, etc. I don't think they have the popular support for that kind of political overreaction.
Clinton was elected to his first term with 38% of the vote (thanks to Perot). He (and Democrats generally) governed like they received a huge mandate. Obama received a relative landslide compared to Clinton (especially when you consider the electoral college), yet he's been profusely timid compared to Clinton's first two years. He's continued Bush's spending programs. He's alienating those who believed he was really going to do something different. That the election was a "referendum."
So, I don't see a "Republican Revolution" in the near future. Rs will probably run a moderate like they did in the last election. In that case, liberals still win because it will demonstrate (like the last election) that the population is more moderate than Radical (irrational) Republicans (teabaggers, etc.).
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