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<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:23:36 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1449208"><b>Mdoc</b></A> : <div class="bquote">i have a <br>Large 30"CRT Trinitron<br>5.1 system <br>Playstation 3<br>playstation 2 USA<br>playstation 2 Japan<br>External HDD<br>Cable Box<br>Computer<br>Fridge (full size)<br>another 5.1 system for my computer<br>and one LCD Monitor<br><br>all pulged into 1 20 amp circuit<br> </div>Sure, I believe that can be done safely.  But you can't add much more in the same circuit branch in the room, unless you want to blow a circuit breaker.<br><br>I wouldn't do the daisy-chaining of power strips for aesthetic reasons, but I've done this at work to "bridge" the distance gap.  As someone already mentioned here, just pay attention to the total current draw.  But sometimes you don't know what it is until you actually sit down and do the calculations for not just the power strip current draw, but also the current draw of the entire circuit branch from the breaker box that the power strip(s) is connected to.<br><br>And yes, I have connected equipment in daisy-chained power strips and have blown a circuit breaker because of it.  There was no fire.  If there's nothing but one or two equipment connected to a daisy-chained power strip, there's no hazard esp. if they don't draw too much power.  However, I don't implement daisy-chained power strips as a permanet application, even at work.  It's strictly a temporary application.<br><br>And I've even turned everything on in my basement den except my laserprinter; and when I turned on my printer, the circuit breaker tripped and the room went dark.  And I didn't use no stinkin' power strip.<br><br>And I think both the zero daisy-chain opinion and the entire discussions in this thread are ridiculous.   :D  Got a few laughs, though.<br><br>Keep in mind that some strips have resetable fuses built into them--typically no more than 2 amps (for short strips).  Any overcurrent will trip that fuse instead of the breaker box.<br><br>edit: corrected quoting problem]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:09:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1683909"><b>An_Onymous</b></A> : >Parasitics have little to do with the material.<br>Core losses etc does not exist in your Universe of high frequency transformers!?<br><br>>Mainly configuration.<br>And yet you suggested that toroids have lower parasitics for switching transformers...  Coils configuration are different than core geometry.  :P<br><br>>Main point is that with no gap high flux 60Hz designs the inrush current can be destructive.<br><br>That part I did not argue with.  ;)  Toroid material can have internal air gaps based on the mix.<br><br>The inrush current only last a few cycles and the current decay exponentially.  This happens when the current is switched on at zero crossing and saturated the core.  Also a matter of picking a slow/time delay fuse correctly.<br><br>An idiot could wired up the center tap incorrectly i.e. connect 2 windings in series backwards etc too.  ;P  Nothing is fool proof.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:33:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/565356"><b>public</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  An_Onymous <A HREF="/useremail/u/1683909"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Parasitic is determined largely by how the coil is wounded and core material.  Can you please elaborate?<br><br>Aside from the geometry of the material (toroid vs EI cores), leakage inductance is also determined by the amount of coupling between windings.  Bifilar windings has lower leakages etc.<br> </div>Parasitics have little to do with the material. Mainly configuration. Bifilar is good, shell even better.<br><br>Main point is that with no gap high flux 60Hz designs the inrush current can be destructive.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:02:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1683909"><b>An_Onymous</b></A> : >The shape is preferred for switching transformers because of significantly lower parasitics.<br><br>Parasitic is determined largely by how the coil is wounded and core material.  Can you please elaborate?<br><br>R - your magnetic material, copper losses etc<br>C- how you overlap the windings make more difference.<br><br>Aside from the geometry of the material (toroid vs EI cores), leakage inductance is also determined by the amount of coupling between windings.  Bifilar windings has lower leakages etc.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 17:01:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/565356"><b>public</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  srr2 <A HREF="/useremail/u/542968"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The greatest advantage to a toroidal power transformer is its lack of an external magnetic field.  That can yield enormous advantages in the design of low-noise circuitry that has to be positioned physically close to it.  I've never seen a size advantage to a toroid, but maybe those who have are using really expensive core material.<br> </div>Toroids still leak just a bit less. The shape is preferred for switching transformers because of significantly lower parasitics.<br> The smaller size of 60 Hz units means higher design flux, and hence higher inrush current. Toroids designed by an idiot can blow huge cartridge fuses on power on, and can easily burn socket strips.<br> ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:08:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/542968"><b>srr2</b></A> : The greatest advantage to a toroidal power transformer is its lack of an external magnetic field.  That can yield enormous advantages in the design of low-noise circuitry that has to be positioned physically close to it.  I've never seen a size advantage to a toroid, but maybe those who have are using really expensive core material.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:37:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1340949"><b>SmokChsr</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Anonymous_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br> the wal-mart amp has a toroidal core transformer   as i opened it up  to *see * what cheap parts are used 80 (95)VA to 120 (145) VA  toroidal core transformer<br> </div>Quite a bit of newer equipment is using toroid wound transformers, it's primarily for size reduction, it fits better. If it's rated at 145VA then you pretty much know it'll only be capable of about 100W RMS power Max, more likely close to 35W power out.   ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:22:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1484077"><b>TheMG</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Anonymous_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>the wal-mart amp has a toroidal core transformer   as i opened it up  to *see * what cheap parts are used<br><br>80 (95)VA to 120 (145) VA  toroidal core transformer<br> </div>Which means jackshit. Any manufacturer could decide to stick a toroidal transformer in and claim the amp is high quality. Toroids aren't really a sign of quality, but they do have some advantages, mainly smaller size and weight compared to their E-I core counterparts. Traditionally they were more expensive, but I'm not sure if that's the case anymore.<br><br>The only way to tell if the amp is a good design and lives up to its expectations is to put it through its paces in a series of bench tests.<br><br>For one this means running the amplifier up to its rated power output into a dummy load and measuring distortion using a distortion analyzer. That's the most basic test, and the one where poorly designed or overrated amplifiers will fail.<br><br>Distortion in excess of 1% THD at the amplifier's maximum rated power level could be considered a failure. Many consumer grade amplifiers tend to have distortion levels as high as 10% at their max rated power.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:26:10 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><b>Anonymous_</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  SmokChsr <A HREF="/useremail/u/1340949"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>If you have any audio equipment that is rated in "Peak" power, rest assured it's a "inexpensive" substitute for the real thing. <br>All serious equipment is rated for "RMS" power.<br><br>  <br> </div> the wal-mart amp has a toroidal core transformer   as i opened it up  to *see * what cheap parts are used<br><br>80 (95)VA to 120 (145) VA  toroidal core transformer]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:30:54 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1340949"><b>SmokChsr</b></A> : If you have any audio equipment that is rated in "Peak" power, rest assured it's a "inexpensive" substitute for the real thing. <br>All serious equipment is rated for "RMS" power.<br><br>  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:23:59 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/400265"><b>Subaru</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Gbcue <A HREF="/useremail/u/485969"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Anonymous_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Subaru <A HREF="/useremail/u/400265"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>the heat sink got nice and toasty<br> </div> that means you over heated it <br><br>my sub stays cold even with max power and  highest setting on the EQ<br> </div>No it doesn't.<br><br>A warm HS means it's working.  My subs HS gets warm as well.  <br><br>Your subs are just cheap underpowered pieces of crap.<br> </div>Any amp I've seen and felt when not being underpowered will get warm when playing music.. mindyou when you say "Sub stays cold" it's not the sub but the amp and the amp provides amplification not only just to the sub but the other 5 speakers.<br><small>--<br>It's <b>NOT</b> Ni-kon It's NE-KON!<br><br><br><br><br><br><br></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:57:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/485969"><b>Gbcue</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Anonymous_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br> meh  10watts to a 10" subwoofer will move more air then a 6.5" subwoofer at 10 watts<br> </div>Yes.<br><br>But a 10" sub at 200W will get warm for sure.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.gbcue.com/">My BLOG!</a><br><A HREF="http://www.beatthecrowd.net">Black Friday Ads</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:36:50 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><b>Anonymous_</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Gbcue <A HREF="/useremail/u/485969"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Anonymous_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Subaru <A HREF="/useremail/u/400265"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>    :</small><br><br>the heat sink got nice and toasty<br> </div> that means you over heated it <br><br>my sub stays cold even with max power and  highest setting on the EQ<br> </div>No it doesn't.<br><br>A warm HS means it's working.  My subs HS gets warm as well.  <br><br>Your subs are just cheap underpowered pieces of crap.<br> </div> meh  10watts to a 10" subwoofer will move more air then a 6.5" subwoofer at 10 watts]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:28:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/485969"><b>Gbcue</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Anonymous_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Subaru <A HREF="/useremail/u/400265"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>the heat sink got nice and toasty<br> </div> that means you over heated it <br><br>my sub stays cold even with max power and  highest setting on the EQ<br> </div>No it doesn't.<br><br>A warm HS means it's working.  My subs HS gets warm as well.  <br><br>Your subs are just cheap underpowered pieces of crap.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.gbcue.com/">My BLOG!</a><br><A HREF="http://www.beatthecrowd.net">Black Friday Ads</a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:22:13 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><b>Anonymous_</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Subaru <A HREF="/useremail/u/400265"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>the heat sink got nice and toasty<br> </div> that means you over heated it <br><br>my sub stays cold even with max power and  highest setting on the EQ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:54:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/400265"><b>Subaru</b></A> : I've ran mine free air once because I thought I killed the system.. so I found the louded bass song and cranked it to the max.. never blew and I still have the system today.<br><br>I'd never do that again but it took a pounding.. and the heat sink got nice and toasty]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:04:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/430868"><b>Ender3rd</b></A> : That would not surprise me. There have also been instances where products have been submitted for FCC Part 15 compliance, and approved, but then the actual marketed devices have been imported and distributed without the compliant RFI filtering installed. It certainly saves the manufacturer money, but it rips up the RF spectrum in the typical suburban neighborhood with all sorts of buzzy noises.<br><br>Having disassembled a few very flimsy surge suppressor power strips I am amazed that they carried the UL approval marking. The contact surfaces where the plug slides in were made of very thin metal that easily breaks off with very little sideways pressure. Kind of scary when you could be pulling up to 15 amps through that connection.<br><br>I have made a few heavy duty portable power receptacles using standard AC outlets installed into enclosed metal receptacle boxes. They hold up very well, and I have a lot more faith in the Leviton outlets that are installed in there!<br><small>--<br>My Jeep is not an SUV.  Your SUV is not a Jeep.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:38:15 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><b>Anonymous_</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Subaru <A HREF="/useremail/u/400265"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  pnjunction <A HREF="/useremail/u/1523173"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Anonymous_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>you do not need 500watts  to  drive speakers<br><br>my wal-mart amp </div>You might if it's not from wal-mart. :P  Sorry couldn't resist.<br><br>My Logitech z-5300 set is rated for peak 560W and the z-5500 is over 1000w.  That said, there's no way you could sanely crank out all of that power.  With a decent source (sources that are weak I have to turn them up) I can't even get close to halfway before it's uncomfortably loud.  Full power it would be painful and the cops would probably show up.<br> </div>Cool I have the Z-580's <br> </div> just do not play woofer cooker song on the logitech  LOL as you will blow that 6.5" mid-woofer]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:35:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1371265"><b>daveinpoway</b></A> : Not sure if this is still a problem, but, a few years back, there was a situation where some of this imported stuff had counterfeit UL-approval markings on it- the equipment had never been submitted to UL. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:36:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/430868"><b>Ender3rd</b></A> : All of my power strips come from China. They would NEVER sell anything that could be used unsafely!<br><small>--<br>My Jeep is not an SUV.  Your SUV is not a Jeep.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:50:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/400265"><b>Subaru</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  pnjunction <A HREF="/useremail/u/1523173"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Anonymous_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>you do not need 500watts  to  drive speakers<br><br>my wal-mart amp </div>You might if it's not from wal-mart. :P  Sorry couldn't resist.<br><br>My Logitech z-5300 set is rated for peak 560W and the z-5500 is over 1000w.  That said, there's no way you could sanely crank out all of that power.  With a decent source (sources that are weak I have to turn them up) I can't even get close to halfway before it's uncomfortably loud.  Full power it would be painful and the cops would probably show up.<br> </div>Cool I have the Z-580's <br><small>--<br>It's <b>NOT</b> Ni-kon It's NE-KON!<br><br><br><br><br><br><br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1484077"><b>TheMG</b></A> : About speaker systems:<br><br>1) how often do you actually "crank it right up"?<br><br>2) unless specifically stated as RMS, it is safe to assume output power rating is peak power<br><br>3) even if you have an amplifier rated for 200Wrms, you will NEVER achieve this level of output power with normal audio, only with a pure sine wave will you normally achieve this, how many people here listen to a 1kHz tone cranked to the max?<br><br>4) a lot of consumer audio products are overrated<br><br>Under normal listening conditions it is safe to assume a home theater receiver uses between 30W-50W on average. Maybe a little more if you're listening to an action packed movie with the subwoofer cranked.<br><br>To put things into perspective, sitting just a few feet from the front of a speaker:<br><br>1W is about normal<br>10W is loud<br>100W - your ears start bleeding (figure of speech of course)<br>1000W - plenty of power for a small dance hall, cracks start forming in the walls of your house and the neighbors a block down the road call the cops on you<br>10000W - enough power for a rock concert, structural integrity of your house is at risk]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 02:20:10 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><b>Anonymous_</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  pnjunction <A HREF="/useremail/u/1523173"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>    :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Anonymous_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>     :</small><br><br>you do not need 500watts  to  drive speakers<br><br>my wal-mart amp </div>You might if it's not from wal-mart. :P  Sorry couldn't resist.<br><br>My Logitech z-5300 set is rated for peak 560W and the z-5500 is over 1000w.  That said, there's no way you could sanely crank out all of that power.  With a decent source (sources that are weak I have to turn them up) I can't even get close to halfway before it's uncomfortably loud.  Full power it would be painful and the cops would probably show up.<br> </div> let's not for get my SubWoofer is a true sub  as it rated to 18hz  :D  your is only rated to 35hz  <br><br>yours is a Woofer and not a sub-woofer<br><br>sub is rated for 300WATT RMS (1,000MAX PMPO) other two are  150watt RMS each (300MAX PMPO)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1523173"><b>pnjunction</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Anonymous_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>you do not need 500watts  to  drive speakers<br><br>my wal-mart amp </div>You might if it's not from wal-mart. :P  Sorry couldn't resist.<br><br>My Logitech z-5300 set is rated for peak 560W and the z-5500 is over 1000w.  That said, there's no way you could sanely crank out all of that power.  With a decent source (sources that are weak I have to turn them up) I can't even get close to halfway before it's uncomfortably loud.  Full power it would be painful and the cops would probably show up.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><b>Anonymous_</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Gbcue <A HREF="/useremail/u/485969"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>    :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  TheMG <A HREF="/useremail/u/1484077"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>     :</small><br><br>Large 30"CRT Trinitron ~240W<br>5.1 system ~30W<br>Playstation 3 ~200W<br>playstation 2 USA ~45W<br>playstation 2 Japan ~45W<br>External HDD ~15W<br>Cable Box ~15W<br>Computer (assuming a high-end gaming PC under worst load condition) ~500W<br>Fridge (full size) (let's assume and old power hog of) ~500W<br>another 5.1 system for my computer ~30W<br>and one LCD Monitor ~60W<br>------------------------------<br>Estimated max power consumption: 1680W<br>Current draw: 14.6A at 115V<br><br>Now this is not taking into account power factor, but assuming that it's not too bad, then if he is using 20A power strips and 20A plugs (the ones with the right angle prongs), he'd be ok under worst load conditions, everything turned on drawing max power, or if the loads are split up between more than one 15A outlets then he's ok too.<br> </div>Let's try this again.<br><br>Large 30"CRT Trinitron - 240W<br>5.1 system - 500W<br>Playstation 3 - 200W<br>playstation 2 USA - 95W<br>playstation 2 Japan - 45W<br>External HDD - 15W<br>Cable Box - 15W<br>Computer - 600W<br>Fridge (full size) - 500W<br>another 5.1 system for my computer - 500W<br>and one LCD Monitor - 100W<br>------------------------------------<br>Total:  2810W @ 120V AC = 23A<br>@ 110V AC = 25.5A<br><br>Over if all are used at the same time.<br><br>I don't know about you guys, but my 5.1 systems are a minimum of 500W RMS.<br> </div>you do not need 500watts  to  drive speakers<br><br>my wal-mart amp drives a 10in subwoofer (4ohms)and two large   2" Air horn Tweeter /8in  Woffers-speakers (6ohms)<br><br>it's max watt is 55<br><br>i tryed Frying the amp by connecting a lot of speakers but was unsuccessful  :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/485969"><b>Gbcue</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TheMG <A HREF="/useremail/u/1484077"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Large 30"CRT Trinitron ~240W<br>5.1 system ~30W<br>Playstation 3 ~200W<br>playstation 2 USA ~45W<br>playstation 2 Japan ~45W<br>External HDD ~15W<br>Cable Box ~15W<br>Computer (assuming a high-end gaming PC under worst load condition) ~500W<br>Fridge (full size) (let's assume and old power hog of) ~500W<br>another 5.1 system for my computer ~30W<br>and one LCD Monitor ~60W<br>------------------------------<br>Estimated max power consumption: 1680W<br>Current draw: 14.6A at 115V<br><br>Now this is not taking into account power factor, but assuming that it's not too bad, then if he is using 20A power strips and 20A plugs (the ones with the right angle prongs), he'd be ok under worst load conditions, everything turned on drawing max power, or if the loads are split up between more than one 15A outlets then he's ok too.<br> </div>Let's try this again.<br><br>Large 30"CRT Trinitron - 240W<br>5.1 system - 500W<br>Playstation 3 - 200W<br>playstation 2 USA - 95W<br>playstation 2 Japan - 45W<br>External HDD - 15W<br>Cable Box - 15W<br>Computer - 600W<br>Fridge (full size) - 500W<br>another 5.1 system for my computer - 500W<br>and one LCD Monitor - 100W<br>------------------------------------<br>Total:  2810W @ 120V AC = 23A<br>@ 110V AC = 25.5A<br><br>Over if all are used at the same time.<br><br>I don't know about you guys, but my 5.1 systems are a minimum of 500W RMS.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.gbcue.com/">My BLOG!</a><br><A HREF="http://www.beatthecrowd.net">Black Friday Ads</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><b>Anonymous_</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TheMG <A HREF="/useremail/u/1484077"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>      :</small><br><br>Large 30"CRT Trinitron ~240W<br>5.1 system ~30W<br>Playstation 3 ~200W<br>playstation 2 USA ~45W<br>playstation 2 Japan ~45W<br>External HDD ~15W<br>Cable Box ~15W<br>Computer (assuming a high-end gaming PC under worst load condition) ~500W<br>Fridge (full size) (let's assume and old power hog of) ~500W<br>another 5.1 system for my computer ~30W<br>and one LCD Monitor ~60W<br>------------------------------<br>Estimated max power consumption: 1680W<br>Current draw: 14.6A at 115V<br><br>Now this is not taking into account power factor, but assuming that it's not too bad, then if he is using 20A power strips and 20A plugs (the ones with the right angle prongs), he'd be ok under worst load conditions, everything turned on drawing max power, or if the loads are split up between more than one 15A outlets then he's ok too.<br> </div> US ps2  system is 95watts max japan is 45 watts max  <br><br>one of the 5.1systems use upto 250Watts(that is what it shows on the label)<br>GFCI 20amp<br><br>Fridge is pulged into the outlite  <br><br>the rest is on a belkin power strip<br><br>also add 15watts for the Ethernet over powerline yes it works pulged into the surge protector <div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23272896?c=1485211&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzE4NDYyNy54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="45302 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 SRC="/r0/download/1485211~b1c7b21e21271b57f8d5ccea7e21d107/GFI%20Receptalce_ivory.png"></A></TD><TD ALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nowrap width=1%>&nbsp;</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23272896?c=1485213&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzE4NDYyNy54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="17677 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=500 HEIGHT=500 SRC="/r0/download/1485213~f0f21b3fd1e1ad2a406b0e7195087921/BelkinSurge_Full.jpg"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1484077"><b>TheMG</b></A> : Large 30"CRT Trinitron ~240W<br>5.1 system ~30W<br>Playstation 3 ~200W<br>playstation 2 USA ~45W<br>playstation 2 Japan ~45W<br>External HDD ~15W<br>Cable Box ~15W<br>Computer (assuming a high-end gaming PC under worst load condition) ~500W<br>Fridge (full size) (let's assume and old power hog of) ~500W<br>another 5.1 system for my computer ~30W<br>and one LCD Monitor ~60W<br>------------------------------<br>Estimated max power consumption: 1680W<br>Current draw: 14.6A at 115V<br><br>Now this is not taking into account power factor, but assuming that it's not too bad, then if he is using 20A power strips and 20A plugs (the ones with the right angle prongs), he'd be ok under worst load conditions, everything turned on drawing max power, or if the loads are split up between more than one 15A outlets then he's ok too.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/485969"><b>Gbcue</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Anonymous_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  rawwhide <A HREF="/useremail/u/195618"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>If he is going to overload the outlet then the question about chaining shouldn't have been asked. If he is going to fry the wall socket and burn the house down he is going to do it without any daisy chaining.  ;)<br> </div>meh.....<br><br>i have a <br>Large 30"CRT Trinitron<br>5.1 system <br>Playstation 3<br>playstation 2 USA<br>playstation 2 Japan<br>External HDD<br>Cable Box<br>Computer<br>Fridge (full size)<br>another 5.1 system for my computer<br>and one LCD Monitor<br><br>all pulged into 1 20 amp circuit<br> </div>When you make it in the paper, send us the link!<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.gbcue.com/">My BLOG!</a><br><A HREF="http://www.beatthecrowd.net">Black Friday Ads</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/203572"><b>timcuth</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Anonymous_ <A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>meh.....<br><br>i have a <br>Large 30"CRT Trinitron<br>5.1 system <br>Playstation 3<br>playstation 2 USA<br>playstation 2 Japan<br>External HDD<br>Cable Box<br>Computer<br>Fridge (full size)<br>another 5.1 system for my computer<br>and one LCD Monitor<br><br>all pulged into 1 20 amp circuit<br> </div>I wish you luck. You need it.  :hmm:<br><br>Tim<br><small>--<br>"Life is like this long line, except at the end there ain't no merry-go-round." - Arthur on The King of Queens<br><b><A HREF="http://www.tdprojecthope.com/"> ~ Project Hope ~ </b></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><b>Anonymous_</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  rawwhide <A HREF="/useremail/u/195618"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>If he is going to overload the outlet then the question about chaining shouldn't have been asked. If he is going to fry the wall socket and burn the house down he is going to do it without any daisy chaining.  ;)<br> </div>meh.....<br><br>i have a <br>Large 30"CRT Trinitron<br>5.1 system <br>Playstation 3<br>playstation 2 USA<br>playstation 2 Japan<br>External HDD<br>Cable Box<br>Computer<br>Fridge (full size)<br>another 5.1 system for my computer<br>and one LCD Monitor<br><br>all pulged into 1 20 amp circuit]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/195618"><b>rawwhide</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  timcuth <A HREF="/useremail/u/203572"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  rawwhide <A HREF="/useremail/u/195618"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  mbaha <A HREF="/useremail/u/1625451"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>meh just make sure the first one doesn't get tooo hot and your golden <br> </div>Make sure you don't draw more wattage than is rated for the first one. I would say zero as well. If anything you should use extension cords.<br> </div>Or for the outlet the first one is plugged in to.  :hmm:<br><br>Tim<br> </div>If he is going to overload the outlet then the question about chaining shouldn't have been asked. If he is going to fry the wall socket and burn the house down he is going to do it without any daisy chaining.  ;)<br><small>--<br>To talk much and arrive nowhere is the same as climbing a tree to catch a fish.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1484077"><b>TheMG</b></A> : Haha yeah I remember the elementary school I went too had about 12 computers in the library on one long countertop. There was something like 5 power strips one into another!<br><br>I'm surprised no breakers were tripped and no power strips overheated. Though the computers themselves weren't much of a load (all Pentium 166 iirc) all those CRT monitors must have consumed quite a number of watts!<br><br>At work one of the computer labs does have a bit of daisy chaining going on, though not as bad. The most is 3 daisy chained strips powering 5 computers (low end C2D and LCD monitors, so fairly low power usage). They would rather have us daisy chain power strips than to get an electrician to install more outlets, for obvious reasons (strictly economical).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/540167"><b>JoeG4</b></A> : When I was in elementary school we had to set up a bunch of donated computers, and I did a lot of that. It went down in an empty classroom, and when I ran out of power outlets (we only had 2 available), the teacher I was working with improvised.. she hooked several power strips together.. and the lead one was plugged into one of those 2 prong to 3 prong adaptors. <br><br>Apparently this practice was common (I saw it later done in a computer lab), and ... yeeeea. Didn't surprise me when a school had a nasty fire. <br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.vgmasters.com">VGMasters</a> my video game forum</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  lordpuffer <A HREF="/useremail/u/1079171"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Belkin has some Surge Protectors with very long cords and lot's of outlets.  I have 3 of them (however, I would NEVER daisy chain them).  They are not too expensive: <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=belkin+surge+protector" >www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi&middot;&middot;&middot;rotector</A><br> </div>Get these:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.rackmountsolutions.net/Power_Strips_Vertical.asp" >www.rackmountsolutions.net/Power&middot;&middot;&middot;ical.asp</A><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap WIDTH=33%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23196591?c=1479951&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzE4NDYyNy54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="26904 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=210 HEIGHT=508 SRC="/r0/download/1479951~c1ad5c12e206443458aa798813f655b9/1300_48-vertical-power-stri.jpg"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:32:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : If you don't exceed the wattage for the original plug, you are OK.  Once I accidentally ended up with a power strip chain plugged in to itself and it was a nightmare ... tons of heat and smoke.  Terrible.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:50:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1079171"><b>lordpuffer</b></A> : Belkin has some Surge Protectors with very long cords and lot's of outlets.  I have 3 of them (however, I would NEVER daisy chain them).  They are not too expensive: <br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=belkin+surge+protector" >www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi&middot;&middot;&middot;rotector</A><br><small>--<br>"If You Don't Eat Your Meat, You Can't Have Any Pudding"!</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/217865"><b>cowboyro</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  patcat88 <A HREF="/useremail/u/611909"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The fact it didn't trip at 24 amps is very scary.  </div>No, circuits can easily take way more than their rating without any damage. The primary reason for setting the limits as they are is the voltage drop to the consumer, not the heat associated with this voltage drop (which indeed increases with the square of the current - before someone argues).<br>If breakers tripped instantly at their rating you would need a 30A circuit in order to turn on two 100W bulbs at the same time.<br>If you want to do a real test leave the heaters on for a long time and see if the cord gets *hot* before the breaker trips - it won't ;)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:16:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1340949"><b>SmokChsr</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  patcat88 <A HREF="/useremail/u/611909"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>I just took a UL power strip. Plugged 2 space heaters into it, its on 20 amp circuit, amp meter says 24 amps are going through, 30 seconds go by (it could have gone longer, I'm not running this experiment any longer), no power strip trip.</div>Just about any breaker will be slow to trip at 160% of it's rating. A typical 15 amp breaker will let you get away with 16 amps for over an hour. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1260024"><b>51200853</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TearAbite <A HREF="/useremail/u/437017"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Where i work, if the safety officer catches you daisy chaining power strips you will get a little checkmark next to your name on the safety-list..<br> </div>I am going to take a big guess that he is not doing it at work.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1260024"><b>51200853</b></A> : It's code violation but will anything happen as result of you doing it, unlikely. This is done often, hell i done it myself a lot of times and nothing ever happen. If you want to do by the book, then get a longer power strip.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1523173"><b>pnjunction</b></A> : I just checked and my fairly cheap Belkin SurgeStrip's have 14AWG wire and are rated for 15A/1875W.  Although their basic SurgeStrip now looks cheaper-made and only comes with a 3ft cord which is lame.<br><br>Anyways I wouldn't hesitate to plug one into the other if I just wanted to plug in a couple more small things ie. mouse charger, phone charger, 40w desk lamp, even another LCD at 50-75 watts (although I'd probably put the LCD on the first strip).  As it is I have an old-school (two-prong) 3-way splitter plugged into it to get a couple more outlets for small things out of it.<br><br>I'd draw the line at plugging another desktop or a couple more powerful (60-100W) lamps.  I don't see what the big deal is unless you're pushing close to the 15A rating or are anal retentive.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/269768"><b>nunya</b></A> : OP, it sounds like your situation may be better served by some hardwired "plugmold" strip.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=100657472&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_sku=100657472&ci_src=14110944&cm_mmc=shopping-_-googlebase-_-D27X-_-100657472&locStoreNum=3015&marketID=109" >www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/sto&middot;&middot;&middot;etID=109</A><br><br>As I'm sure you've gathered by this point in the thread, daisy-chaining power strips is not an acceptable or safe practice.<br><small>--<br>Looks like Reverend Wright got his wish - God Damn America.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1484077"><b>TheMG</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  patcat88 <A HREF="/useremail/u/611909"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Always make sure they come with 14 gauge, read the cord. 14 gauge runs cooler than 16. The 16 cord will have a higher temp rating (60C/70C/80C/90C/105C) that can make it run 15 amps, but thats a shortcut and unwise in my opinion. Make sure the power strip has 14 gauge.<br><br>Also check for the holographic UL sticker. Look up the number &raquo;<A HREF="http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/index.html" >database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/temp&middot;&middot;&middot;dex.html</A><br> </div>Oops, yeah sorry I meant 14 AWG. I was tired when I wrote up my post.<br><br>And yes I do also check for the UL/CSA rating.<br><br>As for the breaker I should also mention I look for ones that have a standalone breaker not one of those cheap switch-breaker combo deals. Not that the breaker on the power strip really matter in my case anyways since I have no 20A circuits in the house, it's all 15A.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/485969"><b>Gbcue</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by Randells :</small><br><br>Zero?  If I have two power strips, I say, "I daisy chained two power strips together."  You don't say, "I daisy chained one power strip together" unless you plugged it into itself (and even then it might not be considered a "daisy chain").  So my point is, what I think you guys are trying to say is that the maximum number of safely daisy chained power strips is 1.<br> </div>You can't daisy chain one thing together.<br><br>The definition needs two.<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.gbcue.com/">My BLOG!</a><br><A HREF="http://www.beatthecrowd.net">Black Friday Ads</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Zero?  If I have two power strips, I say, "I daisy chained two power strips together."  You don't say, "I daisy chained one power strip together" unless you plugged it into itself (and even then it might not be considered a "daisy chain").  So my point is, what I think you guys are trying to say is that the maximum number of safely daisy chained power strips is 1.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/611909"><b>patcat88</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  cowboyro <A HREF="/useremail/u/217865"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br> Even the cheap power strips have overcurrent protection.<br> </div>No.<br><br>I just took a UL power strip. Plugged 2 space heaters into it, its on 20 amp circuit, amp meter says 24 amps are going through, 30 seconds go by (it could have gone longer, I'm not running this experiment any longer), no power strip trip.  Then I turn on a hair dryer (hair dryer, 2 space heaters total), amp meter jumps to 38 amps, 6 seconds later the power switch of the power strip snaps off. Hair dryer and space heater, 28 amps, 16 seconds to trip.<br><br>The fact it didn't trip at 24 amps is very scary. The trip curve of the power strip "15 amp" breaker seems more liberal than the 20 amp circuit breaker's trip curve. This is totally unsafe :( Only thing that power strip breaker might do is stop a short or 3 space heaters, it won't stop a small overload from melting the power strip or its 14 gauge cord over many minutes/hours.<br><br>Test was done with a clamp amp meter and special extension cord to break out the conductor. Power strip tested was E89769 model BB-06, "relocatable power tap", hologram UL sticker says "transient voltage surge suppressor 99K8".]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/677801"><b>ff1324</b></A> : Zero. In our area it's a fire code violation. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/765680"><b>Brat75</b></A> : If I ever catch a tech daisy chaining they will NOT hear the end of it. <br><br>never ever ever ever ever am I clear ever daisy chain the powerstrips.  I don't care if you don't have enough outlets, find an electrician and make a few new circuits! <br><br>Brat75<br><small>--<br>2008 sucked, let's make 2009 better.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1390143"><b>mayhew2345</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by TimOnTheRoad :</small><br><br>Hey guys, what is the maximum safe number of power strips that can be daisy chained.  I've got two and want to add a third but don't want to cause a fire hazard.  Thanks.<br> </div> 3 times the protection lol]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/627680"><b>Hydraglass</b></A> : The simple solution to this is to buy a "pretty good" or better rated UPS that is rated for your expected load. You can then safely plug outlet strips into each of the outlets on the UPS to run your loads.  This is far safer than daisy chaining. Why? Each and every outlet on the UPS is "rated to carry" up to the rated level of the UPS, but the sum of all the outlets on the UPS shall never exceed the total rated capacity of the UPS, and if it does, the UPS will shut off or pop its integrated breaker.<br><br>So - if you figure your total load will be 1500W (12.5A) - purchase a 1500 or 1750 VA rated UPS.  Plug your 4 or 5 power strips into 4 or 5 of the outlets on the UPS. Maybe you need 6 devices with battery back-up protection? Put that strip or maybe 2 strips if you have a bunch of wall-warts that take up a load of strip space into the battery backup protected outlets. Then maybe you have 9 other devices - put them on 2 or 3 other strips plugged into the "surge/breaker protected only" outlets.<br><br>Now if you push your load on any one strip to 1500 watts, but nothing on the other strips it'll keep running, and that strip will not be overloaded, nor will the UPS.  If you put 500 on each of three strips, you won't be constantly pushing 1500 watts through the cord on the first strip - you will be pushing 1500 watts through the UPS, but if it's rated at 1500VA, it'll be designed to easily handle that through its primary circuitry, breaker, and wiring.<br><br>And yes, I am an electrician (journeyman).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/617842"><b>SLD</b></A> : AHHHRG!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1660453"><b>dipweed23</b></A> : I have two chained together, but it's mostly because wall warts take up 2 spaces or more. I don't have a lot plugged in, and the ones with wall wart spaced plugs only have 3 or 4 and cost 3 or 4 times as much. <br>Plug in the computer and monitor in the first one and use the second one for wall warts. Just don't push the first one to near its max capacity, and you should be safe, even if not in compliance with labeling.<br>YMMV and if you over load it and burn the place down, you can't say you haven't been warned of possibilities.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1256005"><b>ws27</b></A> : Speaking of people changing out breakers, I once saw someone piggy back there spa wiring into the air conditioner wiring. They then placed a much larger breaker into the main electrical panel and wondered why the spa didn't work right. The wiring leaving the panel was noticeably burnt. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1395925"><b>Selenia</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  NOCMan <A HREF="/useremail/u/1085749"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by SirMeowmix_I  :</small><br><br>Be careful.  I did this once and the other one went critical and melted.  Seriously.  Someone was building another computer at a LAN party install Linux and the power strip melted and smelled horrible.   I think it was because they were running a dual monitor setup and there was too much current over the 14/2.<br> </div>Serious gamers are driving computers that can pull over 1000 watts nowdays.  Monitors (LCD)'s generally use less than a standard lightbulb.<br> </div>My most power-hungry box draws about 450 watts peak(even though its PSU is 750), total with OpenGL 3D graphics running. My point here is that modern CPUs draw less juice versus the work they do than older high-end machines. Most also scale thei9r clock speed these days with the work being done. Of course a CRT would probably push any of my machines over 500 or 600. Some gamers prefer a CRT. I'm not one of them.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085749"><b>NOCMan</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by SirMeowmix_I :</small><br><br>Be careful.  I did this once and the other one went critical and melted.  Seriously.  Someone was building another computer at a LAN party install Linux and the power strip melted and smelled horrible.   I think it was because they were running a dual monitor setup and there was too much current over the 14/2.<br> </div>Serious gamers are driving computers that can pull over 1000 watts nowdays.  Monitors (LCD)'s generally use less than a standard lightbulb.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1514624"><b>d25m03p</b></A> : Two answers;<br>1. You can daisy chain infinitely.... Just make sure that the first strip in the chain is not plugged in!<br>2. Probably (as others have said), zero, none, nada.  One strip per power outlet.<br><br>Realistic answer; Probably one or two maximum.  Watch your total current load load though.  Put the heavy current appliances on the first strip, and the low power appliances (e.g. cell phone charger) on the subsequent strip.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/400265"><b>Subaru</b></A> : I know a friend who did this.. He would daisy chain up to like 5 of them at once and run at least 2 small 13" Tv's a video mixer and a DVD and CD recorder and a sound mixer. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/217865"><b>cowboyro</b></A> : [echo]<br>  Ideally you don't daisy-chain power strips<br>[/echo]<br>[devil's advocate]<br>  If the load is certain not to exceed the rating of the power strips then it's fairly safe to daisy chain them. Ex: you are plugging a bunch of wallwarts, maybe a computer and a monitor... <br>Highest load in the first power strip, use the rest for the small loads that take a lot of space. Even the cheap power strips have overcurrent protection.<br>However plugging a heater, toaster, vacuum cleaner etc is not a good idea.<br>[/devil's advocate]]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Well say the fuses have a rating, eg. 20A......<br><br>If the fuse gets a short, then it should blow immediately.....<br><br>However, it could get 20A - 22A of current and take forever to finally blow.... but in the mean time heat is generated in the wires..... and if any of those wires are not rated at 20+A (in this example) then it could have plenty of time to melt / catch on fire....<br><br>So you have to be careful and measure your loads and put some on different circuits if you are getting too close to the rating of the "weakest link" in your setup.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : "Just go to your local big home supply store and get a power strip with more outlets. I have one I bought for $30 that has 18 outlets."<br><br>Ummm... That would solve half the problem (not enough outlets) but the load must still be under what the wiring in the building / wiring of the strip can safely carry....<br><br>On a side note, if my house burns down, the firefighters will probably freak out.....<br><br>I have a UPS at the end of an extension cord, and six outlet strips plug into that! 36 outlets total!!!!<br><br>Actually, theres only one item plugged into each outlet strip.... I use them for the switches, so I can shut off each item independently..... (for example my router is on its own strip, so If I am not using it, I turn it off.... instant effective firewall!)<br><br>I think I have measured my consumption at around 100W or so..... <br><br>:)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/171865"><b>Hayward</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Locutus65 <A HREF="/useremail/u/397133"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  Hayward <A HREF="/useremail/u/171865"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Either way you need to keep a tally on the current draw.... you still couldn't plug 18 toasters into that thing without blowing or starting a fire.<br> </div>Thank you, I should have mentioned that :-)<br> </div>And by the way the 18 toasters would blow for sure.... but the MOST dangerous thing you can do is push a circuit right to its limit.<br><br>  Creates a lot of heat and breaker or fuse a little off spec can lead to fire.(But major overload/short would have blown) In my case only burnt the cartridge fuse block.... could have been much,much worse.<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://haywardm.com" >haywardm.com</A> (Hayward's Key West)<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/397133"><b>Locutus65</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Hayward <A HREF="/useremail/u/171865"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Either way you need to keep a tally on the current draw.... you still couldn't plug 18 toasters into that thing without blowing or starting a fire.<br> </div>Thank you, I should have mentioned that :-)<br><small>--<br>The only thing we have to fear is Fear itself...... and spiders.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/171865"><b>Hayward</b></A> : Either way you need to keep a tally on the current draw.... you still couldn't plug 18 toasters into that thing without blowing or starting a fire.<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://haywardm.com" >haywardm.com</A> (Hayward's Key West)<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/397133"><b>Locutus65</b></A> : Just go to your local big home supply store and get a power strip with more outlets. I have one I bought for $30 that has 18 outlets.<br><small>--<br>The only thing we have to fear is Fear itself...... and spiders.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/171865"><b>Hayward</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  Rob <A HREF="/useremail/u/460388"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>The maximum safe number of power strips that can be daisy chained is <b>zero</b>.<br><br>Get a larger power strip, but do not daisy chain them. In fact, I believe it's a violation of the National Electrical Code. <br> </div>Well of course all depends what you plug into the.... a dosen 20 watt wall warts or 20 1500 watt toasters.<br><br>   Again it gets down to 2 things really what is the house circuit rated for, and the strips remembering load on 2nd adds to first.<br><br>    But again you can plug 100 15watt things into 15amp circuit.... but not even 2 1500 watt toasters or hair dryers.<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://haywardm.com" >haywardm.com</A> (Hayward's Key West)<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Be careful.  I did this once and the other one went critical and melted.  Seriously.  Someone was building another computer at a LAN party install Linux and the power strip melted and smelled horrible.   I think it was because they were running a dual monitor setup and there was too much current over the 14/2.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/729709"><b>aurgathor</b></A> : Usually, it's too much current that creates fire hazard, but bad contacts can play an important role, too. <br><br>As long as you don't exceed the rating of any single outlet or pair of wire, and the connections are good, you should be OK.  (you will probably violate fire codes, though) <br><small>--<br>And the winner is:</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:27:23 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/611909"><b>patcat88</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TheMG <A HREF="/useremail/u/1484077"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>I must confess that I am guilty of plugging a power strip into another power strip.<br><br>I do take precautions to stay on the safe side though:<br><br>-purchase only good quality strips rated 15A or more, with 16 AWG wire or better, and with outlets that grip firmly<br><br>-strips should have their own circuit breaker built-in, especially if you're using 15A strips and your building has 20A circuits!<br><br>-calculate the maximum load all the devices you intend to connect to it will draw in the worst case scenario, an ensure this does not exceed 15A or the rating of the lowest rated strip<br><br>One note about the wire gauge, I open up the strips and check them visually. After seeing many cords and strips where the actual wire gauge was much smaller than the rating I am very cautious about it and always check any new strips I buy no matter what the intended usage is.<br><br>Stick to that and connected one strip to another is pretty safe, <b>however it remains and always will be a violation of some rule.</b><br> </div>Always make sure they come with 14 gauge, read the cord. 14 gauge runs cooler than 16. The 16 cord will have a higher temp rating (60C/70C/80C/90C/105C) that can make it run 15 amps, but thats a shortcut and unwise in my opinion. Make sure the power strip has 14 gauge.<br><br>Also check for the holographic UL sticker. Look up the number &raquo;<A HREF="http://database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/template/LISEXT/1FRAME/index.html" >database.ul.com/cgi-bin/XYV/temp&middot;&middot;&middot;dex.html</A><br><br>I've found RU computer parts from china, specifically generic ATX power supplies, with "E" UL numbers that don't show up in UL's DB. :D<br><br>Never plug your power strip into 16 gauge extension cords. Go and throw all you 16 gauge out right now. If you have 18 gauge extension cords (now banned by UL I think), give them to a co-worker you don't like, maybe he will burn down his house :) . Use orange or air conditioner 14 or 12 gauge extension cords. They might look funny, but they won't melt and run much cooler.<br><br>Also make sure your power strip is rated for 15 amps, not 13.<br><br>There is also the danger of 15 amp outlets on 20 amp circuits. In businesses, 20 amp outlet circuits are normal. In homes, depends. If the builder is cheap he will put 14 gauge and 15 amp circuits in the walls (except for the kitchen and bathrooms I think). If the builder is good, he will put in 12 gauge and 20 amp circuits in the home. Now there is a danger here, if the power strip doesn't have a circuit breaker ("surge protectors" are rarely circuit breakers), you can pump 20 amps through the power strip, and any extension cord that is feeding the power strip. This can make the 14 gauge extension cords a bit melty/marred  or discolored around the plug/socket interfaces. The plug and socket will always heat up before the wire actually does, higher resistance area.<br><br>For things like alot of computers, or alot of CE chargers or AV/Home Ent equipment, daisy chaining power strips is inevitable. Its sum of the loads that can make a power strip  unsafe, not the number of them daisy chained. The reason power strips are so reviled is because they are usually used in buildings with not enough outlets and circuits. When circuits start tripping, you/DIYers need to install a larger circuit breaker, thats whats broken and causing your power to go off right? Then one day you wake up and night and smell smoke (or your KOed from CO), and see your house is on fire. Then the FD comes, and the TV reporters, and the TV reporters will say its the "evil power strip" that caused the fire, not the homeowner putting a 30 amp breaker on a 14 gauge circuit. If the power strip wasn't there, there couldn't have been a fire there  right?......... :D<br><br>The people who are poor/cheap/greedy are the ones most likely to DIY enhance their power system with larger breakers, daisy chained 16 gauge extension cords through walls (never 12 or 14 gauge extension cords through walls), cube taps, power strips, cords going through doors, abraded wire, vacuum cleaner and chair wheel run over wire, 18 gauge wire powering a window AC.<br><br>Here is a genius making the power system better in his home. <br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>A single-story home approximately 40<br>years old was the scene of another fire<br>started by the improper use of an electrical<br>component. This fire began in a bedroom,<br>where an extension cord and a radio<br>power cord were fastened to the wall<br>with nails. The fire investigators concluded<br>that the nails had come in contact<br>with both conductors of the cords so as to<br>form conductive paths that caused over-<br>heating at the contact points between the<br>nails and the wires. A shirt that had been<br>hung on the two nails ignited and dropped<br>to the floor in flames, igniting the mattress<br>and bedding.<br><hr></blockquote><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/FOIA/foia04/os/firejournal.pdf" >www.cpsc.gov/LIBRARY/FOIA/foia04&middot;&middot;&middot;rnal.pdf</A><br><br>Some people think, the thinner the wire the better it must be made. If its thin, it must be better wire to buy! Its like a RAZR or MacBook Air.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  wolfy339 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1197139"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Or is there something I am missing/not understanding?</div>The NEC is an installation standard, not a product standard.<br><small>--<br>The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master. <br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1197139"><b>wolfy339</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  John Galt <A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  wolfy339 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1197139"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  John Galt <A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Actually, it is a violation of its UL listing... </div>Which makes it a code violation, correct?<br> </div>No.<br><br>It makes it a violation of its listing.<br><br>The NEC does not cover "power strips". </div>OK so the NEC may not directly cover power strips, but would it not cover using electrical products (including outlets and power strips) in ways that they were not approved for (including ways that violate the UL listing of said product)?  Or is there something I am missing/not understanding?<br><small>--<br>Computer: PIII/733, 512MB DDR RAM, ATI Xpert2000, 60&320GB HDDs, Windows XP PRO SP3, Mcafee 2009 AV/FW, Creative SB Live, Samsung SyncMaster 2443BWX, Verizon DSL 768/128 w/ Westell 6100 C90</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:11:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  wolfy339 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1197139"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  John Galt <A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Actually, it is a violation of its UL listing... </div>Which makes it a code violation, correct?<br> </div>No.<br><br>It makes it a violation of its listing.<br><br>The NEC does not cover "power strips".<br><small>--<br>The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master. <br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1197139"><b>wolfy339</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  John Galt <A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Actually, it is a violation of its UL listing... </div>Which makes it a code violation, correct?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1085764"><b>John Galt</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  TheMG <A HREF="/useremail/u/1484077"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br>Stick to that and connected one strip to another is pretty safe, <b>however it remains and always will be a code violation.</b><br> </div>Actually, it is a violation of its UL listing...<br><small>--<br>The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master. <br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1484077"><b>TheMG</b></A> : I must confess that I am guilty of plugging a power strip into another power strip.<br><br>I do take precautions to stay on the safe side though:<br><br>-purchase only good quality strips rated 15A or more, with 16 AWG wire or better, and with outlets that grip firmly<br><br>-strips should have their own circuit breaker built-in, especially if you're using 15A strips and your building has 20A circuits!<br><br>-calculate the maximum load all the devices you intend to connect to it will draw in the worst case scenario, an ensure this does not exceed 15A or the rating of the lowest rated strip<br><br>One note about the wire gauge, I open up the strips and check them visually. After seeing many cords and strips where the actual wire gauge was much smaller than the rating I am very cautious about it and always check any new strips I buy no matter what the intended usage is.<br><br>Stick to that and connected one strip to another is pretty safe, <b>however it remains and always will be a violation of some rule.</b>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/293117"><b>mocycler</b></A> : You should never plug a power strip into a power strip. <br><br>But since I know you're probably going to do it anyway, the closest you will get to anything safe is if the whole rig (all the strips and connected devices) does not exceed the current rating of the lowest rated strip. <br><br>mocycler ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:06:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1395925"><b>Selenia</b></A> : Meh. My setup in my study has a daisy chain of 2 not for more outlets, but to have a couple on each side of the room. The first one is a ups with a display that shows my load and I never plug in much. I'd say I'm pretty safe. I just use common sense and also don't invite inspectors over tea, although I had an electrician visit recently who said my setup was more than fine. He was there to evaluate adding more outlets, among a few other things. So no more daisy chaining soon. I did it for years though.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1288058"><b>psafux</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by TimOnTheRoad :</small><br><br>Hey guys, what is the maximum safe number of power strips that can be daisy chained.  Thanks.<br> </div><b>&Oslash;<br></b><br><small>--<br>Yes. the cat in my avatar is indeed mine.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/203572"><b>timcuth</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  rawwhide <A HREF="/useremail/u/195618"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by  mbaha <A HREF="/useremail/u/1625451"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>   :</small><br><br>meh just make sure the first one doesn't get tooo hot and your golden <br> </div>Make sure you don't draw more wattage than is rated for the first one. I would say zero as well. If anything you should use extension cords.<br> </div>Or for the outlet the first one is plugged in to.  :hmm:<br><br>Tim<br><small>--<br>"Life is like this long line, except at the end there ain't no merry-go-round." - Arthur on The King of Queens<br><b><A HREF="http://www.tdprojecthope.com/"> ~ Project Hope ~ </b></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/195618"><b>rawwhide</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><small>said by  mbaha <A HREF="/useremail/u/1625451"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</small><br><br>meh just make sure the first one doesn't get tooo hot and your golden <br> </div>Make sure you don't draw more wattage than is rated for the first one. I would say zero as well. If anything you should use extension cords.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1197139"><b>wolfy339</b></A> : Quoting a flyer on compliance.gov: <br>    <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>The supply of readily available electrical outlets is inadequate in some buildings, especially older ones. To meet power supply needs, extension cords or surge protected power strips are often interconnected, or &#147;daisy chained,&#148; to readily provide more outlets and/or to reach greater distances.  Another common solution is to create a &#147;mixed daisy chain,&#148; interconnecting extension cords and power strips. However, interconnecting these devices is a violation of Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) regulations and the National Electrical Code because doing so can cause them to become overloaded, leading to their failure and a possible fire.  (See the Office of Compliance &#147;Extension Cords&#148; Fast Facts for more information).<hr></blockquote><br><br>(&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.compliance.gov/forms-pubs/eresources/fastfacts_daisychains.pdf" >www.compliance.gov/forms-pubs/er&middot;&middot;&middot;ains.pdf</A>)<br><br>Thus I have to agree with  Rob <A HREF="/useremail/u/460388"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> and  Gbcue <A HREF="/useremail/u/485969"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> in saying that the maximum number of powerstrips/surge protectors that can be safely daisy chained is Zero.  The obvious concern being that the more power strips you daisy chain the greater the risk that you may go over the rated current capacity of one or more of the strips (or the circuit breaker) or cause one or more of the strips to overheat causing a fire.  <br><br><small>--<br>Computer: PIII/733, 512MB DDR RAM, ATI Xpert2000, 60&320GB HDDs, Windows XP PRO SP3, Mcafee 2009 AV/FW, Creative SB Live, Samsung SyncMaster 2443BWX, Verizon DSL 768/128 w/ Westell 6100 C90</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1625451"><b>mbaha</b></A> : meh just make sure the first one doesn't get tooo hot and your golden <br><small>--<br>Don't remind of the things I said or I'll be hurt<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/437017"><b>TearAbite</b></A> : Where i work, if the safety officer catches you daisy chaining power strips you will get a little checkmark next to your name on the safety-list..]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/485969"><b>Gbcue</b></A> : Zero.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/460388"><b>Rob</b></A> : The maximum safe number of power strips that can be daisy chained is <b>zero</b>.<br><br>Get a larger power strip, but do not daisy chain them. In fact, I believe it's a violation of the National Electrical Code. <br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.checksite.us"> CheckSite.us </a> | <A HREF="http://www.yourip.us"> YourIP.us </a>|<A HREF="http://www.reverseip.us"> Reverseip.us </a></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:08:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : Hey guys, what is the maximum safe number of power strips that can be daisy chained.  I've got two and want to add a third but don't want to cause a fire hazard.  Thanks.]]></description>
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