| Anything that takes google down a notch is good..... ATT is no saint, but they are regulated and have to play by the rules. To the google fanboys, when are you lemon heads going to wake up and realize google knows more about you than even your worst tin hat big brother nightmares? Who's evil now? |
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Torrance, CA | who cares, google hasn't screwed me like the death star has 
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ATT is no saint, but they are regulated and have to play by the rules. AT&T, with one of the most powerful lobbying operations across any industry, literally wrote many of the very rules they play by. Google, in contrast, literally just started lobbying a few years ago, opening their first DC office I think in like 2005 or something. There are differences.
That said, there are plenty of Google privacy issues at play, and I imagine as Google shifts from innovative, youthful attacker to having to defend against innovation they'll increasingly employ many of the same, disgusting tactics companies like AT&T and Verizon use to protect their positions of power. |
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Honest question, but how exactly has AT&T "screwed" you? |
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said by JasonOD :
ATT is no saint, but they are regulated and have to play by the rules. To the google fanboys, when are you lemon heads going to wake up and realize google knows more about you than even your worst tin hat big brother nightmares? Who's evil now?
People aren't naive about GOOGLE, they just see thru the BS that ATT is trying to push.
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Seems that you have absolutely no idea how the PSTN was set up, why there was a monopoly in the first place, why the government created it, then demolished it and made a mess of everything. There are plenty of deeds the Bell system has done in history to really despise them for, but this is not one of them. This is a clear case where the company's interest and that of their customers align. |
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| I think the argument is quite clear and the example they used attempts to underline what the issue is and what the repercussions are if "telephone" providers randomly decide whether or when to route your calls. It is analogous to the i-net neutrality argument Google and co are making against ISPs with two very important differences. The first, ISPs still route your traffic where as Google blocks the phone calls. The second, there are laws and regulations in this country governing phone calls, but there really aren't any governing internet access. |
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I really can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious...
If you're being serious, I'll raise the same claim against you based upon your comment and add to it, you not having a clear understanding of how Google Voice works.
Google is NOT regulated. VoIP providers are NOT regulated. They have no governmental obligation to provide phone service to anyone or terminate calls to everywhere.
Naturally AT&T is going to want to support their business interests, but they're in no way looking out for consumers. Let the FCC allow any regulated phone provider decide for themselves if they'll continue to support these rural providers and you'll see how quickly "Ma and Pa" will lose contact with their city dwelling kinfolk. |
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AT&T kicked me once in the shin, it hurt. |
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this is exactly right.
i say let them block these conference services. as far as I am concerned the call never even makes it off the voip network and onto the PSTN. which is perfectly legal because VOIP is NOT regulated. just because you started the call on PSTN does not mean that it is a completely PSTN call. it is PSTN -> VOIP -> PSTN. when you call the blocked numbers it never makes the 3rd segment, therefore perfectly legal. |
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said by openbox9:Honest question, but how exactly has AT&T "screwed" you? by illegally handing over all my phone, internet, and cell records to the NSA and receiving favorable government treatment in return, of course. do we really have to go over this all the time? |
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kudos:2 | We can over it until we have a legitimate "screwing". If we're discussing the wiretapping issue, then perhaps woody7  should have stated the Government is doing the "screwing". |
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Torrance, CA | I was replying to `another post, Google hasn't done anything to me, But ATT has with my wireless account, I wasn't complaining about the Illegal wire tap from them. If not mistaken, the wiretap was done by ATT (or facilitated at the least) , not the government. My problem isn't with the government, but with ATT. All they had to say was no. I believe they have the money and the resources to have resisted. Peace
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said by openbox9:We can over it until we have a legitimate "screwing". If we're discussing the wiretapping issue, then perhaps woody7 should have stated the Government is doing the "screwing". With complicity from the phone companies. The phone companies didn't have to help, at all, without the government presenting warrants/subpoenas. However, they chose to help without those legal requirements because they could cash in future considerations.
The *AAs couldn't really give the telcos such future considerations. Thus, Verizon had no real compunction against telling them to pound sand.
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kudos:2 | reply to woody7
So, your "screwing" is your AT&T wireless account? Care to share? I'm honestly curious, because a lot of people tend to throw around various attacks at various large companies, with little to no real reason. I'm not suggestion you don't have a legitimate gripe, but I'm curious what it is.
Yes, wiretap was facilitated by AT&T. Since they own and operate a significant portion of the PSTN, they had to be involved. Government was involved when they walked into AT&T's offices (and others) and requested/directed AT&T's assistance. |
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said by nixen:The phone companies didn't have to help, at all, without the government presenting warrants/subpoenas. It's very easy to sit on the outside and say that they didn't "have" to without having all of the details. It'd be an interesting exercise to see how the situation would've been handled by the complainants if they'd been in the CEO's position. |
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00000 | said by openbox9:said by nixen:The phone companies didn't have to help, at all, without the government presenting warrants/subpoenas. It's very easy to sit on the outside and say that they didn't "have" to without having all of the details. It'd be an interesting exercise to see how the situation would've been handled by the complainants if they'd been in the CEO's position. see Qwest for the relevant comparison. Qwest said "no" to the illegal request. it's actually very easy to reject any requests that are illegal, yet somehow AT&T still said "yes". |
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said by openbox9:said by nixen:The phone companies didn't have to help, at all, without the government presenting warrants/subpoenas. It's very easy to sit on the outside and say that they didn't "have" to without having all of the details. It'd be an interesting exercise to see how the situation would've been handled by the complainants if they'd been in the CEO's position. Actually, no. There's only two legitimate methods for discovery: warrant/subpoena and the ever-sketchy NSL. If either mechanism had been used, there'd have been no need for "immunity". Immunity only needs to be granted when a (potential) defendant or witness for the prosecution has done something illegal (e.g., to get a criminal to testify against other criminals - a completely apt comparison in this case).
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I've got news for you, it's not just Google that has that much information on you.
We recently signed up for a new service at work that pulls together every little bit of public information about you off the internet. It is impressive. Used myself as a Guinea pig.
It knew my address. when I was 5 years old. Even had the moving date correct.
The 6 page dossier this thing produced was astounding. Problem is access costs $100/mo per person.
So one person has access to it, and it isn't me.
Privacy died back in the 70's when the NSA started having computers large enough to do REAL data mining.
Unless you were born in a log cabin, never went to school, never had a bank account, a phone, a computer, a debit card, a drivers license, owned a car, and bartered pigs and chickens for everything you owned, you really don't have any privacy.
To jip a movie line, the only privacy anyone really has left is inside your head.
Not that I agree with the other half of the character's quote, but it's true.
Shit, with a few keystrokes, and access to free public on line databases, enough information exists within the confines of this post for you to get a picture of my house. From the street AND SPACE....
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