1 edit | Stop living in a fantasy world... Even the most liberal president in modern history is protecting them for a reason. His #1 job is to protect the USA. He and his most liberal advisors have entered office and see the horrors that have been planned against this country and this program helps keep us safe.
I don't think you folks understand the dangers we face. I don't think Obama did until he started getting the daily briefings.
You can go on quoting Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, but quotes don't save lives.
Bush is gone. Its time to realize there really is a threat out there to our society and Obama is now in charge of protecting us. I know before it was fun to make fun of Bush's grammar and believed he trumped up all of the threats.
Here's something to chew on... What if he wasn't... What would you do? |
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| said by Go Tarheels:Even the most liberal president in modern history is protecting them for a reason. His #1 job is to protect the USA. He and his most liberal advisors have entered office and see the horrors that have been planned against this country and this program helps keep us safe. I don't think you folks understand the dangers we face. I don't think Obama did until he started getting the daily briefings. You can go on quoting Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, but quotes don't save lives. Bush is gone. Its time to realize there really is a threat out there to our society and Obama is now in charge of protecting us. I know before it was fun to make fun of Bush's grammar and believed he trumped up all of the threats. Here's something to chew on... What if he wasn't... What would you do? I think if they posted the information that is contained in the daily briefings in every major newspaper on the front page for 2 days, a good 3/4 of this county would shit their collective pants.
As Colonel Jessup once said:
"Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have more responsibility here than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. I know deep down in places you dont talk about at parties, you don't want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it. I prefer you said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand to post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"
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I agree wholeheartedly. I am glad that Obama has awoken to this fact so soon. |
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Re: Stop living in a fantasy world... said by Go Tarheels:Here's something to chew on... What if he wasn't... What would you do? They would still blame Bush and award Obama employee of the month. |
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said by Go Tarheels:Even the most liberal president in modern history is protecting them for a reason. His #1 job is to protect the USA. He and his most liberal advisors have entered office and see the horrors that have been planned against this country and this program helps keep us safe. I don't think you folks understand the dangers we face. I don't think Obama did until he started getting the daily briefings. You can go on quoting Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, but quotes don't save lives. Bush is gone. Its time to realize there really is a threat out there to our society and Obama is now in charge of protecting us. I know before it was fun to make fun of Bush's grammar and believed he trumped up all of the threats. Here's something to chew on... What if he wasn't... What would you do? O.k. I would buy this EXCEPT you have Pelosi and Reid calling for heads to roll in the "torture" cases that happened during the Bush Administration.
This is not about protecting the country but to protect a few people in power. If it were about protecting the country, then the "waterboarding" that took place would also be pushed under the rug like the current administration is trying to do with this telco immunity.
Maybe after Obama leaves office, we can put him and his administration on trial and see what happens. |
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Thats unfortunate they believe that way. You know the funny thing is, I wish the world was that way.
The reality is, it's not....
I commend the President for keeping us safe so far. I am glad he is using renditions.
Its quite ironic actually - he wins by stopping the US "torture", but will send their ass to Pakistan to be really tortured.
He closes club gitmo and talks of lockin 'em up for 23 hours daily in supermax prison.
Its a win - win for Obama, yet both programs are worse for the actual terrorists the left was yelling to protect. |
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That is political pandering.
Its part of the game. What difference is it if we do it, with a couple of ER docs watching or sending their ass to a 3rd world nation to do real torture?
Of course Pelosi and Reid are calling for heads to roll. Thats throwing a bone to their base. They really don't care about it. You are talking like 3-4 admitted killers.
Again, you had people plot and kill 3000 Americans. If you are a truther, then there is no talking sense into you, but if you believe it was planned and done by the people who admitted to doing it, then you have to realize the threat is still there.... |
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I have no doubt when Obama started getting the same national security briefings as Bush, he muttered the phrase "what the F#$K" under his breath.
It's my understanding that once the final 2 candidates reach the tail end of their run, they start getting the same briefs as the President.
So while Obama is talking about change on one hand, on the other he knows what he has to do.
I hope the President, whoever he is, does what it takes to keep us safe.
But as was stated before. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. I'm not looking to torpedo the man. I understand he's only been there a year, blah blah blah.
But let's face it folks, any better than Bush did? Take Obama off the telepormpter and it's a train wreck. Guantanamo Bay is still open, we're still in Iraq, and Afghanistan is starting to implode. The wire tapping that went on under Bush continues under Obama. No real "change". Same old same old from another slick politician.
It's not my intention to criticize. Simply to point out facts. So many people got caught up in the cult of personality. At the same time everyone was hatin' on Bush, he came along and got the collective to buy his story.
IMHO, one step above a really good car salesman that wants NOTHING to do with a second term. He'll either find a reason not to run again, or he'll run a half ass campaign the second time around. I don't think he understood what he was getting himself into when he threw his hat into the ring, and even more so when he actually got there.
Right now, Obama is wishing he was still in the Senate. I know I would be if I were him....
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said by Go Tarheels:That is political pandering. Its part of the game. What difference is it if we do it, with a couple of ER docs watching or sending their ass to a 3rd world nation to do real torture? Of course Pelosi and Reid are calling for heads to roll. Thats throwing a bone to their base. They really don't care about it. You are talking like 3-4 admitted killers. Again, you had people plot and kill 3000 Americans. If you are a truther, then there is no talking sense into you, but if you believe it was planned and done by the people who admitted to doing it, then you have to realize the threat is still there.... I am no truther. I do believe that pissed off Muslims did this deed and i don't think the government has the imagination nor the competence to carry out this type of operation without someone blabbing about it.
That being said, I have no problem torturing people who do not believe in rights for others of a different religion.
What bothers me is Pelosi knew about the torture and said nothing until after Obama was in office and then denied she heard it. Pure political pandering and yet, most people don't see it. I'll bet that if another attack does happen, they will still blame Bush.
Sometimes, I feel like we need an IQ test to vote. |
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Tarheels Fan - since I haven't seen Ben's quote in this thread yet, here ya go:
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
security theater and violating constitutional liberties hasn't saved lives either. neither has stupidity or invading countries that neither attacked us nor were involved with 9/11.
here's another quote: we have nothing to fear, but fear itself.
you sound scared; I'm not. |
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PLEASE!
said by Go Tarheels:Even the most liberal president in modern history is protecting them for a reason. His #1 job is to protect the USA. He and his most liberal advisors have entered office and see the horrors that have been planned against this country and this program helps keep us safe. I don't think you folks understand the dangers we face. I don't think Obama did until he started getting the daily briefings. You can go on quoting Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, but quotes don't save lives. Bush is gone. Its time to realize there really is a threat out there to our society and Obama is now in charge of protecting us. I know before it was fun to make fun of Bush's grammar and believed he trumped up all of the threats. Here's something to chew on... What if he wasn't... What would you do? |
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said by Go Tarheels:Even the most liberal president in modern history is protecting them for a reason. His #1 job is to protect the USA. He and his most liberal advisors have entered office and see the horrors that have been planned against this country and this program helps keep us safe. Unfortunately, many PEOPLE are basically suicidal dreamers who think the world can be some wonderful place where everyone is altruistic. And if they stick their heads in the sand, all threats to the US from abroad will just disappear because they can't see them with their heads 2 ft underground. Fortunately, most presidents(except maybe Jimmy Carter), learn very quickly that the world is an extremely dangerous dog-eat-dog place. And they wise up and take actions that go against their previously incorrect rosy view of the world.
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First, I couldn't care less about this fight over documents. What troubles me is our bleeding heart, liberal friends who think freedom is free!
The biggest mistake made by any administration is allow the people to know the facts of war. The truth is as simple as a movie line, "you can't handle the truth".
I wish those who don't have the stomach for what has to be done would keep their opinions to themselves. However, in this great country we all have a right to our opinions. That does not make it any easier for me to tolerate. It is a shame you can't live somewhere that you aren't protected.
I wish you could realize your liberty without the protection afforded to you by the people who lay it on the line. I am certain you would find that liberty non-existent without those willing to do what ever it takes to protect it, while you criticize their actions.
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EDIT: I forgot to mention, I'm not scared. When the facts are clear enough to make even Obama see the light, what do we have to fear? |
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| I pretty much disagree with almost everything you said.
Whats to say the reaction of the people you say "can't handle the truth" isn't warranted or needed? But what is obvious is that you fear the truth of this argument. Why you fear it is a mystery as well. Do you have something to lose from this report going public? Or do you just follow blindly in your patriotism believing that whatever the President thinks is good for us must really be good?
And your comment of "I wish those who don't have the stomach for what has to be done would keep their opinions to themselves." is especially curious. It sounds to me that it is you who does not have the stomach for the truth getting out?
You are basically another "nanny state" supporter and whats worse is you don't even realize it. Or maybe you do and you just don't realize that not all of us are "followers" like you. Some of us are "leaders" and demand the truth. |
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said by N3OGH:I have no doubt when Obama started getting the same national security briefings as Bush, he muttered the phrase "what the F#$K" under his breath. It's my understanding that once the final 2 candidates reach the tail end of their run, they start getting the same briefs as the President. They start getting these briefings shortly after they win the election, not before.
said by N3OGH:So while Obama is talking about change on one hand, on the other he knows what he has to do. What bothers me is Obama is still acting like a candidate and not a leader. He has not said that after reviewing the current assessments, we need to keep doing certain things. Instead, he remains silent and ducks and weaves the real issues. |
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You can go on quoting Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, but quotes don't save lives. Sure.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. |
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Seymour, MO | reply to axiomatic
I'm not surprised that you disagree.
It is neither needed or warranted. What part of "I couldn't care less about these documents " do you not understand? Turn them over, I don't care! I am, however, troubled by people who think we have liberty because our forefathers wrote it on a piece of paper. Those same forefathers fought tooth and nail for said liberty. They would have shot anybody who stood between them and that liberty right between the eyes. They would have done, and did do, whatever it took to make it happen. As proof I give you the great United States of America.
I don't have the stomach for people who think they are entitled to anything they want, whatever the cost to whomever.
Yeah, I'm a follower. That is why I am wasting my time trying to get liberal-minded people to see the light. What makes you think you know whether I am a leader? Is it the same thing that makes you want the truth, so you can criticize the people who keep you safe? I suspect yes, as you drew improper conclusions in both cases.
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I will along with most other Americans who agree with me... |
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said by DrModem:You can go on quoting Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, but quotes don't save lives. Sure. They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. I prefer my quote:
Those that are dead cannot have liberty nor can they have safety.
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