| Fine unsecured APs I like France's idea. Users with unsecured APs SHOULD be fined. Until individuals, and their ISPs, make sure computers are secure, they should be kicked off the internet. It will be the only way to minimize malware on the internet. |
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1 edit | But how secure is secure enough? Is wep enough? WPA? WPA2? All of these can and have been hacked. So is a higher layer required?
Edit: Keep in mind that Docsis has also been hacked. |
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I like France's idea Who would have guessed. 
What about WEP. Do you fine a user for using WEP?
Do you like the idea of taxpayer dollars going toward a government agency that tracks P2P users between ISPs for the entertainment industry? |
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2 edits | said by Karl Bode:I like France's idea Who would have guessed. What about WEP. Do you fine a user for using WEP? Do you like the idea of taxpayer dollars going toward a government agency that tracks P2P users between ISPs for the entertainment industry? NO. Only the "throw the infected bums who won't secure their system off the internet" idea.
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People think WEP is lockbox secure! lol |
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said by Lazlow:But how secure is secure enough? Is wep enough? WPA? WPA2? All of these can and have been hacked. So is a higher layer required? Edit: Keep in mind that Docsis has also been hacked. Maybe I am behind the times, but when was WPA2/PSK cracked? |
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Portland, OR | reply to fAcEtIOUs
said by fAcEtIOUs:I like France's idea. Users with unsecured APs SHOULD be fined. Until individuals, and their ISPs, make sure computers are secure, they should be kicked off the internet. It will be the only way to minimize malware on the internet. So we are going to fine grandma and grandpa who have a wireless network at home which is unsecured because they didn't know that BY LAW all wireless AP's/routers must ship with SECURITY DISABLED BY DEFAULT and don't know how to enable it?
Hmmm, great idea...And it's already been brought up about people who have WEP enabled and get hacked, that's their fault as well because they are the ones who placed their faith in something they were told would secure their network...Doesn't seem very well thought out to me... |
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Lazlow
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Saint Louis, MO | reply to KodiacZiller
Just google WPA2 crack and you will see tons of howtos. The basics method has been around for at least a couple of years. |
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said by ck9:So we are going to fine grandma and grandpa who have a wireless network at home which is unsecured because they didn't know that BY LAW all wireless AP's/routers must ship with SECURITY DISABLED BY DEFAULT and don't know how to enable it? WTF are you smoking? 2Wire devices from AT&T always shipped with security enabled. |
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Dracut, MA | reply to fAcEtIOUs
unsecured wireless does not mean infected PC's, you know this as well as the rest of us. |
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Ebolla
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Dracut, MA | reply to dentman42
store bought units are unsecured by default. routers from your isp will likely be secured if shipped or secured when setup by a tech. His point is valid. |
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Westminster, CA | reply to Lazlow
said by Lazlow:Just google WPA2 crack and you will see tons of howtos. The basics method has been around for at least a couple of years. Russian WPA, WPA2 Crack
»hothardware.com/News/Russian-Fir···PA-WPA2/ |
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dagg
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Galt, CA | reply to dentman42
wtf are you smoking?
when did ATT and 2wire become the only combination of ISP and hardware provider out there?
the problem with wireless security is that it only keeps out the people that dont care enough to mess with it. those that know how to get in anyway wouldnt be stopped. fining people in this way might fly elsewhere but in the US i see it only winding up getting tossed as being unconstitutional.
and under no situation will it ever actually work. |
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Right...
Grandma needs to be a net admin in order to use the internet.
LOL.... |
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Yes, but he is playing games with us. |
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No, there is no "crack" for WPA or WPA2. Contrary to popular belief and numerous news articles here, brute force is still the only option. |
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said by Ebolla:store bought units are unsecured by default. routers from your isp will likely be secured if shipped or secured when setup by a tech. His point is valid. Wrong. I'v had many family members think the same. Guess what the password was, password and the admin code, you guessed it admin. From there since you can now get into the settings you could reek havoc. Maybe lock the owner out per say. The only way is to have the tech go in and show the customer were to setup a security passcode for the network, with him not looking of course, then have the tech show the customer where to put the adminstration passcode and password |
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It does, indeed, take time to brute-force the WPA/2 keys. However, the whole "GPU-based cracking" approach speeds things up dramatically.
Now imagine someone with an SLI, quad-core laptop. That's two GPUs and four 'CPUs'.
Now imagine someone with an SLI, I7 laptop. That's two GPUs and eight "CPUs" crunching the data at an incredible rate. |
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said by DataRiker:No, there is no "crack" for WPA or WPA2. Contrary to popular belief and numerous news articles here, brute force is still the only option. Correct. And I don't care how many nVidia GPUs you have connected, my 256 bit WPA2 passphrase would be brute-forced open right about the time that the sun explodes. At which point you're free to use my WiFi for free. 
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