Topic 'Hell to the Redskins' in forum 'Washington & Baltimore' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Hell-to-the-Redskins-23199385 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 05:10:00 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 05:10:00 EDT Re: Hell to the Redskins http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hell-to-the-Redskins-23213120 --
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They have got to just start from scratch Admin wise

They have talent at core positions

But they need a rehaul from HC up
Agree.

A huge problem for the Redskins is a major lack of quality depth. Money is spent on core positions for sure, but when injuries occur, there is a major drop off from the "step-up" pool of players.
Betts is ok for Portis, and Collins for Campbell, and 3 real decent CBs is very nice, but injuries happen and the consistently good teams have people that step up into a starting slot. And the Redskins stink at this.

Couple of tangent thoughts that tie in...

Notice how superbowl winners seem to have their rosters raided? Part of this is that players when they have won it want to be paid, and teams face decisions of increasing stars salaries and losing their back-up core or letting some of the people who carried them there walk away.
(Pity we haven't had this discussion about the Redskins in ages).
Look at some of the linebackers that the Steelers have lost.
Joey Porter, Kevin Greene, Levon Kirkland, Greg LLoyd, Chad Brown (that is 16 Steeler pro-bowls there) then you can throw in Faneca, Plaxico, Randel-El, Chris Hope, Kemo Van Oelhoffen, Kendrell Bell....

I know I'm preaching to the choir LOL, but just re-making the point that the entire philosophy of running the team HAS to change, and it starts with Danny-boy's buying a championship taking a long vacation.

I'm not saying that a final piece can't be bought (as the Vikes are trying with Favre), but the Redskins haven't been one piece away since Timmy Smith's superbowl record.
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They have talent at core positions

But they need a rehaul from HC up]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hell-to-the-Redskins-23211589 Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:45:05 EDT Re: Hell to the Redskins http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hell-to-the-Redskins-23210281 said by grobinette:

I gave away some corporate club seats for free today.
I figured the game against the Giants on Dec 21 would mean something to a Giants fan, and he's a good guy anyway.
You are a good person :D. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hell-to-the-Redskins-23210281 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:24:21 EDT Re: Hell to the Redskins http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hell-to-the-Redskins-23209587 I figured the game against the Giants on Dec 21 would mean something to a Giants fan, and he's a good guy anyway.
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$150-$200 for something that invariably is simply not worth it.
Would it be a better deal if he gave out free Prilosec and Compazine? :D ;)
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Snyder counts on people coming to games simply because football is a must for so many and he just happens to have a stadium and team in the market. There is no joy like there was as recently as 1998. He really could care less if we enjoy the experience (to wit: the crap he's pulled over the years about parking and pedestrian access, and his latest tailgate exile farce; don't even mention the ever-more-absurd concession prices).

The "big business" feeling he's created could be excused if we were getting a consistent, quality product on the field. We've had nothing of the sort. I haven't gone to a game since 2002 because I refuse to give that greedy little Napoleon boy $150-$200 for something that invariably is simply not worth it.
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. . I don't know that we would be any better off if Cooke's son had gotten the team. I don't know if they'd have been any better off or not either, but some things are for certain-- there'd be (and would have been for the past several years) different players on the field, different coaches on the sideline, and a front office that wasn't located around Daniel Snyder's desk.

(And the team might still be playing in Raljon rather than Snyrato.) ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hell-to-the-Redskins-23208596 Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:20:52 EDT Re: Hell to the Redskins http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hell-to-the-Redskins-23208442
But since Snyder is there for the long haul, we can be sure that other heads will roll. Zorn is caught up in the meatgrinder, the problem is higher than him.

I broke down the most easily seen and explained team problem ares (O-line) here »Re: the birds
Obviously there is a lot more but it is pointless to just pile on damning facts, when the core is meddling owner and a "GM" really out of his league.

Solution is not getting a new coach, it is finding an Ozzie Newsome and letting him have total control.

Who is the last great player the Redskins have "home grown"?
I'd say Chris Samuels (LT 6 pro bowls) and that was Charlie Casserly.
(I'm not going to go into giving up a 2nd Rounder for Jason Taylor and the aftermath of that except to say didn't he have a nice game back again for Miami last week :huh: )

If Cerruto stays, there is no hope
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said by DC DSL:

said by grobinette:

That's embarrassing! :(
I have a feeling Zorn is toast.
I sometimes think he was a sacrificial lamb. Basically, they hired him as a placeholder until some bigger names became more available.
And who exactly would want to put their reputation on the line with Snyder?

Look, if Gibbs couldn't change Snyder, no one can.

Hey Snyder, if you can hear me now, you need to simply leave the team alone. Quit micro managing or else sell it to someone who really wants the Skins to be a winning team in the future. Oh and kick Vinnie, your boy, to the curb. Quick, don't look back just do it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hell-to-the-Redskins-23204093 Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:39:35 EDT Re: Hell to the Redskins http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hell-to-the-Redskins-23203830 said by DC DSL:

said by grobinette:

That's embarrassing! :(
I have a feeling Zorn is toast.
I sometimes think he was a sacrificial lamb. Basically, they hired him as a placeholder until some bigger names became more available.
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Difference is Dungy had Polihan who did things like take a lot of heat for drafting Edgerrin James, and Zorn gets Thomas/Kelly/Davis who have contributed about zilch.
Only blame I can squarely place on Zorn is stupidity for falling for the woo-ing sales pitch from a master pitchman.
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Championships are built not bought.
That seems to be the one thing that Snyder can't get a grip on. On the other hand, I don't know that we would be any better off if Cooke's son had gotten the team.

Oh well, at least the Sunday and Monday night games have been pretty decent.
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Redskins, I don't really have much blame for Zorn. He is going to bear the brunt of it, but he was given a pretty inferior team with a couple of high priced flashy names.

The buck belongs pasted squarely on Snyder's forehead. Arrogance to think that your yes man (Vinny Cerrato) can build a solid winner without a lot of sharper honed skills and independence to use them.

Any quality coach, Shanahan/Cower/et.al. is going to have to be given front office control for them to even consider an offer. Not that head coaches have great success when they also take on the added responsibility of a GM (just look at Mike Holmgren), but the HC will have to be given the power to hire the GM, and the GM will answer to him. Either that or the organization has to be turned over to a Bill Parcels type, or the next head coach is not going to fare any better than Zorn has. Championships are built not bought.
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Even Zorn sort of came in through the side door. Remember, he was hired as offensive coordinator and promoted to head coach after Snyder spent a month trying to find a head coach.
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Snyder needs to learn once and for all that you cannot buy a Super Bowl caliber team. All he's managed to do the last 10 years is prove that the more money you throw at something just makes things worse...and the more you try to monetize your fans, you just piss them even more since you can't deliver on the field.
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That's embarrassing! :(
I have a feeling Zorn is toast.
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Today's game made my Catholic high school's football team of the 1960s look like Super Bowl material.
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I can smell the stench in Landover from Alexandria.

Redskins D needs to take the O out back and give them a beatdown.
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The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hell-to-the-Redskins-23203039 Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:57:06 EDT Re: Hell to the Redskins http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Hell-to-the-Redskins-23201949 is Snyder's ownership.
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But Dungy is probably not the best match for Snyder all things considered.
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I don't see them winning against KC.
Not that KC is great, but they do give great effort, and dangling a very winnable game in front of them means the skins are in for a real fight.

You all know I've been harping on the state of their O-line.
Thomas going out really hurt, but now Samuels is out.
Heyer (God bless his soul) now shifts to left tackle.
To me that means we can subtract Cooley from the passing offense, he will have to do a lot of help blocking.

Mike Williams starts at RT, he should be OK there having lost over 100lbs from the time he was signed. :uhh:

I'm hearing that Snyder would love Shanahan but then that doesn't make sense with hiring Sherman Lewis as an "offensive consultant". If that is a step to firing Zorn (and having an interim head coach in place already), then what do you do at the end of the season/ Keep him as OC when you get a different HC?

Things are a mess there. Carlos Rogers taking pot shots at the owner???? Is that saying "Let Me Outta Here!!"?

Sadly, it looks like an implosion is a hair trigger away, and this game could be it.
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