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 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to Ignite
Re: All that money yet a 400 GB cap said by Ignite:said by Matt:A 400GB cap is extremely reasonable. Even in a high-quality data center that 400GB of transfer would run you close to $150/month on a 100Mbps port. So getting 100Mbps across the last-mile and offering a 400GB cap is a great deal. And very few people would use 400GB in a month unless you're a pirate. Argggh matey. If you think nearly $150/month for 400GB of bandwidth (equivalent to less than 1.5Mbps/month) is a good deal it would be a privilege to supply you with bandwidth. Given I can purchase 400GB from extremely well connected data centres for around $10/month so that $150 will pay for GigE connectivity and a dedicated server for myself with some left over I can see it being a pretty profitable venture for me  Well connected and "high-quality" are not the same thing. Go price out 400GB of bandwidth in any datacenter like Equinix, Peak 10, NAC or The Planet and you'll quickly see there is a difference. I wouldn't touch any company offering $10 for 400GB of transfer on a 1Gbps port, they obviously have no capacity plan in place and are terribly oversold. I pay an extra $30 just for my GigE port, on top of my bandwidth.
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 IgnitePremium,VIP
join:2004-03-18
UK
2 edits | said by Matt:Well connected and "high-quality" are not the same thing. Go price out 400GB of bandwidth in any datacenter like Equinix, Peak 10, NAC or The Planet and you'll quickly see there is a difference. I wouldn't touch any company offering $10 for 400GB of transfer on a 1Gbps port, they obviously have no capacity plan in place and are terribly oversold. I pay an extra $30 just for my GigE port, on top of my bandwidth. No the bandwidth isn't oversold. Check for example »www.kimsufi.co.uk/ and note the guaranteed bandwidth - 100Mbps or 1Gbps, and the price of the additional bandwidth.
If you're into overpaying that's your prerogative and evidently in the US that appears to be the case. Full and uncontended IP transit is $7-8/Mbps/month from premium quality carriers, not just McBandwidth Cogent.
EDIT: »www.chtix.eu/transit_ip.xml
1Gbps unmetered for 1000 euros a month. So 300TB potentially if you saturate it all the time. I've seen other transit deals which have 1Gbps unmetered for under $2000/month.
400GB will cost someone who purchases bandwidth in the kind of quantities an ISP Shaw's size with their own dark fibre network not a hell of a lot at all, the main cost is and remains the access network by a very long way. I would speculate the 400GB to cost Shaw no more than $10 taking into account transit, peering, and share of fibre and router costs. | |
MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12
1 edit | said by Ignite:said by Matt:Well connected and "high-quality" are not the same thing. Go price out 400GB of bandwidth in any datacenter like Equinix, Peak 10, NAC or The Planet and you'll quickly see there is a difference. I wouldn't touch any company offering $10 for 400GB of transfer on a 1Gbps port, they obviously have no capacity plan in place and are terribly oversold. I pay an extra $30 just for my GigE port, on top of my bandwidth. No the bandwidth isn't oversold. Check for example » www.kimsufi.co.uk/ and note the guaranteed bandwidth - 100Mbps or 1Gbps, and the price of the additional bandwidth. If you're into overpaying that's your prerogative and evidently in the US that appears to be the case. Full and uncontended IP transit is $7-8/Mbps/month from premium quality carriers, not just McBandwidth Cogent. I like the asterisks on those prices:
* Traffic is unlimited. If you exceed 3 TB / month, the connection will be limited to 10 Mbps. A connection of 100Mbps will be restored (or 1Gbps if you have the 1G SwitchPort option) with the purchase of additional traffic of 2TB for £14.90 / month.
**: Request for the establishment of a block of IPs from RIPE (with geolocalisation): 4,8,16 IPs: £49. 32,64,128,256 IPs: £99. 512,1024,+ IPs: £199. the existing PI (unlimited IP): £99. Monthly Cost: £0.
So, you're limited in bandwidth and you pay out the ASS for a range of IPs. I have a /25 which you would pay an extra $150 USD a month for.
They don't even have any information about their data center, so I am guessing they don't run their own but are rather a reseller. Again, we're talking a different class of data center here. Those guys aren't even remotely in the class of data center I deal with. They are peered with chtix.edu who uses this company as their upstream provider: »www.ovh.net/
That is a wimpy upstream provider. Their upstream's upstream provider only has 7Gbps of bandwidth available. Again, terribly oversold.
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
 ·Comcast
| reply to Matt
ThePlanet gives 10TB these days with their servers as a promotion. Even on their $79 Celeron rig. $10 extra ups you to a 100 Mbit port from a 10 Mbit port (which can't do 10TB anyway). So $90 for 10TB of traffic on a 100Mbit port. Including a server. | |
iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Comcast
| reply to Matt
OVH hasn't updated their natowrk page in awhile. They have like 200 Gbps of transit and peering at this point, if not more. The are the ThePlanet of France.
Coming back to the US, I can get a 10TB server (1 Gbit port) for $200 at 10tb.com. Before you say they have a crappy network, check out the site. THey run on SoftLayer, which has a good network in their WCD and SEA locations and an awesome network in Dallas, where I use them for shared hosting. 2¢ per GB.
I can get a 100 Mbps connection (albeit from Cogent on the internet side) for $3k per month...symmetric on fiber with no caps...in the middle of the Texas hill country. That's $30 per Mbit, or 10¢ per GB when you calculate things out. 400GB on this circuit, with both Cogent and Time Warner Cable (the loop provider) making money, is $40ish per month. If I could get 30 perople paying for $150 internet plans off of this link I could pay for my own wireless infrastructure and give them 20 Mbps symmetric connections with 1TB caps if I wanted...and Shaw has WAY more than 30 customers. | |
 sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sisterPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ | reply to Ignite
FWIW, Level3 will do $1500/month on a GigE w/100Mb/s included. I forget what the per Mb is beyond 100, but it's pretty darn cheap.
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