MLGTWISTED
join:2007-01-19
Melville, NY
4 edits | New DGL-4500 Beta Firmware 1.21 Build '03
Here's the link to the D-link forums - »forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=8822.0
As it says, please download at your own risk. My thoughts are; that the 2nd beta build screwed my router up so I'm honestly not risking much by testing this firmware.
Beta Release Notes
- This code can be used with all hardware revisions of the DGL-4500
- This code addresses the WAN slowdown and lockups
I'll report back with an update to see how smooth things are going. |
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ispgeek
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join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
4 edits | Well I pulled the damaged router out of storage to run some basic tests. I'm not interested in the longevity at this point..I just wanted to see what the wireless fixes were. Here are my test results to our test server (which by the way WE trust..and so do thousands of people every single day).
The pipe connected here at the house easily provides 30mb connections wired or wireless (with a decent router).
Here are the results from several tests...notice the QOS!!! Horrible...it never used to be like this. My signal strength was excellent and it showed a connection rate between the router and my netbook at 300mbps. These tests were performed under NO LOAD conditions (meaning just the router and my netbook).
Date / time: Oct 20, 2009 1:52:19 AM
Session ID: nm
Record ID: 26366
- MySpeed -------------------------
Download speed: 6651 Kbps
Upload speed: 1721 Kbps
QOS: 2 %
Round trip time: 53 ms
Max pause: 887 ms
Avg pause: 3 ms
Max route speed: 9892 Kbps
Forced idle: 61 %
Route conc: 3.6
Date / time: Oct 20, 2009 1:50:22 AM
Session ID: none
Record ID: 26365
- MySpeed -------------------------
Download speed: 6438 Kbps
Upload speed: 903 Kbps
QOS: 21 %
Round trip time: 57 ms
Max pause: 202 ms
Avg pause: 3 ms
Max route speed: 9197 Kbps
Forced idle: 66 %
Route conc: 3.6
Date / time: Oct 20, 2009 1:44:53 AM
Session ID: none
Record ID: 26362
Download speed: 11387 Kbps
Upload speed: 1340 Kbps
QOS: 23 %
Round trip time: 57 ms
Max pause: 232 ms
Avg pause: 2 ms
Max route speed: - Kbps
Forced idle: 45 %
Route conc: 1.4
Date / time: Oct 20, 2009 1:44:53 AM
Session ID: none
Record ID: 26362
- MySpeed -------------------------
Download speed: 11387 Kbps
Upload speed: 1340 Kbps
QOS: 23 %
Round trip time: 57 ms
Max pause: 232 ms
Avg pause: 2 ms
Max route speed: - Kbps
Forced idle: 45 %
Route conc: 1.4
Date / time: Oct 20, 2009 1:41:45 AM
Session ID: none
Record ID: 26360
- MySpeed -------------------------
Download speed: 3736 Kbps
Upload speed: 1645 Kbps
QOS: 1 %
Round trip time: 53 ms
Max pause: 590 ms
Avg pause: 6 ms
Max route speed: 9892 Kbps
Forced idle: 75 %
Route conc: 9.4
These results DON'T lie. I also took the liberty of running some additional tests to measure jitter and loss...they are as follows..
Video Jitter 4.6 ms
Video Loss 0.0 %
Video Order 99.9 %
L Audio Jitter 4.6 ms
L Audio Loss 0.0 %
L Audio Order 100.0 %
R Audio Jitter 4.5 ms
R Audio Loss 0.0 %
R Audio Order 100.0 %
Upstream jitter 5.1 ms
Downstream jitter 3.7 ms
Upstream packet loss 0.0 %
Downstream packet loss 0.0 %
Upstream packet order 100.0 %
Downstream packet order 99.8 %
Packet discards 1.3 %
MOS 3.9
Download speed 6651 Kbps
Upload speed 1721 Kbps
D/load QOS 2 %
U/load QOS 97 %
RTT 53 ms
Max Delay 887 ms
Avg Delay 3 ms
Max Bandwidth 24000 Kbps
Route Speed 9892 Kbps
Forced Idle 61 %
Route Conc 3.6
Download test s
Upload test s
Alright now...lets look at the very same tests without the D-Link DGL-4500 router connected using my current router.
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Download speed: 9144768 bps
Upload speed: 1702184 bps
Download quality of service: 95 %
Upload quality of service: 93 %
Download test type: socket
Upload test type: socket
Maximum TCP delay: 47 ms
Average download pause: 2 ms
Minimum round trip time to server: 46 ms
Average round trip time to server: 50 ms
Estimated download bandwidth: 35200000bps
Route concurrency: 3.8491955
Download TCP forced idle: 72 %
Maximum route speed: 11397384bps
Just for reference...my total available download bw is 35200000bps you will see the TCP download speed at 9144768 bps which is for a SINGLE TCP session (thats all normal on this test)...My effective bw cap is about 30mbps (thats what it should be).
VoIP test statistics
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Jitter: you --> server: 1.5 ms
Jitter: server --> you: 3.5 ms
Packet loss: you --> server: 0.0 %
Packet loss: server --> you: 0.0 %
Packet discards: 0.0 %
Packets out of order: 0.0 %
Estimated MOS score: 4.0
IPTV test statistics
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Video Jitter: 4.4 ms
Video Loss: 0.0 %
Video Packet Order: 100.0 %
Left Audio Jitter: 4.0 ms
Left Audio Loss: 0.0 %
Left Audio Order: 100.0 %
Right Audio Jitter: 4.3 ms
Right Audio Loss: 0.0 %
Right Audio Order: 100.0 %
In short...they may have fixed the range...but the quality of the data stream is just as bad as before, if not worse. Don't let them fool you folks...this was no wireless fix by any stretch. For basic surfing and goodies it will work just fine...for video/audio/gaming the test results above clearly show a router that will give you nothing but problems.
As for the lockups...who knows and I'm not keeping it on my network to find out. I'll let you guys do that. Best of luck...I strongly recommend that anyone with this router simply follow my instructions in the other posts here at this site and get your money back.
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ispgeek
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join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
| reply to MLGTWISTED
Anyone wanting to see the direct test results off the test server let me know and I'll provide you the link to the reporting system and you can pull them yourself. The tests don't lie and neither do I. Anyway...have a great night...I've done my part. Let's see how D-Link tries to spin this one.
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MLGTWISTED
join:2007-01-19
Melville, NY
3 edits | Okay, after playing around last night I just wanted to see how the router function with gamerfuel off and WISH off. The router with both of these off performs much faster and all games actually had less latency, games feel a little sluggish with gamerfuel on.
I know I should test one setting to see how things fair, but I also wanted to test turning off DNS RELAY. I did this at the same time as the gamerfuel and WISH, I'm getting very zippy speeds. Even if DNS RELAY was fixed, I don't believe the router has enough memory for DNS Caching, and in my mind; why stress the router anymore than I need to when I can just turn DNS RELAY off.
WIRELESS STABILITY
I hope I don't jinx this, but wireless stability is excellent so far, and after installing 1.21 v3 I have had zero disconnects over wireless. Wireless settings are not in default, but I've personally never been through a 12 hr period like this where wireless connections haven't disconnected.
General stability over wired and wireless are obviously better with this firmware, but Im not sure how much better yet, Ill need a few more days of getting feedback from my wireless users.
After the last few hr's I think D-link may have dug themselves out of the big hole that they were in.
SPEED TEST - My Advertised Speeds Are - 15mb down, 2mb up, but appeared to be grabbing more bandwidth.
This wired speeds - 
Version 2 was only giving me half this, so Im happy that the router isn't fragmenting the bandwidth somehow, or destroying it.
I'm happy so far, but we have a long road ahead yet, lol, and if things start messing up I'll let you guys know. |
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ispgeek
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join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
2 edits | reply to MLGTWISTED
That speedtest won't tell you anything about the quality of your datastream from that router. Do this...run the test at the link below. It's going to ask you for a SID. Use MLGTWISTED for your SID and run the test eh...4 times both wireless and wired. And post back when you have completed that. I'll post your results here or you can look them up on our reports engine. I suspect you will see the very same results as I did above.
»www.ispgeeks.com/wild/modules.ph···pipSpeed
I'm looking forward to seeing your results. Remember...it's not speed that matters...it's overall quality of the datastream and the routers ability to provide a consistent level of service both wired and wireless.
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burn550
join:2009-10-20
Chula Vista, CA
| I don't know what I am looking at on your site? But I decided to run the test anyway. So far the stats appear to be showing the correct speeds, yeah I know they look horrible, I am a cheap arse! But hey, the stats are correct. That is how much my bandwidth I got. So far so good.
»174.34.146.20/myspeed/db/report?id=26505 |
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MLGTWISTED
join:2007-01-19
Melville, NY
| reply to ispgeek
Download speed 14593 Kbps
Upload speed 2062 Kbps
D/load QOS 83 %
U/load QOS 99 %
RTT 30 ms
Max Delay 75 ms
Avg Delay 1 ms
Max Bandwidth 22400 Kbps
Route Speed 17476 Kbps
Forced Idle 30 %
Route Conc 1.5
Download test s
Upload test s
I agree bandwidth almost means nothing, but I am getting better results than the previous firmware.
It seems the TCP test isn't all that great and definately poor QoS.
Download speed 8997 Kbps
Upload speed 1883 Kbps
D/load QOS 42 %
U/load QOS 85 %
RTT 30 ms
Max Delay 95 ms
Avg Delay 2 ms
Max Bandwidth 26400 Kbps
Route Speed 17476 Kbps
Forced Idle 40 %
Route Conc 2.9
Download test s
Upload test s |
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ispgeek
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join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
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I'm assuming the lower results that you posted were your wireless. The above graphs pretty much tell the story. You can see your test results at the following links:
»174.34.146.20/myspeed/db/report?id=26521
»174.34.146.20/myspeed/db/report?id=26521
Prior to the firmware fiasco my wireless QOS was in the mid to high 80's consistently and like yours here they have dropped to levels that are inconsistent with audio/video/gaming which pretty much makes this router useless for it's intended purpose. |
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ispgeek
Premium
join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
2 edits | reply to burn550
said by burn550  :I don't know what I am looking at on your site? But I decided to run the test anyway. So far the stats appear to be showing the correct speeds, yeah I know they look horrible, I am a cheap arse! But hey, the stats are correct. That is how much my bandwidth I got. So far so good. » 174.34.146.20/myspeed/db/report?id=26505 Actually your results are very good. Not the fastest broadband connection in the world but it delivers a consistent rate of data which for audio/video/gaming is a must.
Download speed 2554 Kbps
Upload speed 426 Kbps
D/load QOS 99 %
U/load QOS 93 %
RTT 82 ms
Max Delay 45 ms
Avg Delay 4 ms
Max Bandwidth 2560 Kbps
Route Speed 6393 Kbps
Forced Idle 0 %
Route Conc 1.0
Download test s
Upload test s
Your QOS was outstanding...you have nothing to be shamed about 
My question is...was that with a dgl-4500 router with the latest firmware or was that your direct connected? I doubt seriously it was a dgl-4500 on wireless. |
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MLGTWISTED
join:2007-01-19
Melville, NY
2 edits | Well, zero disconnects over wireless so far -
Connection Up Time : 1 Day 1 Hour 09 Min 46 Sec
Though I am seeing alot of this on the logs page -
dlink: Wireless system with MAC address 00219181B90E disconnected for reason: Received Deauthentication.
I assume this is the truning on or off of wireless clients because there has been no disconnects.
I wonder how long this will last? |
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ispgeek
Premium
join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
| That's anybodys guess. If you're happy with the performance thats really all that matters. I've seen nothing to be overly thrilled about however. Wireless performance sucks...you never answered my question above though. I assume the 2nd test was your wireless...correct?
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MLGTWISTED
join:2007-01-19
Melville, NY
1 edit | My 2nd test was over wired, both tests were over wired. QoS my be a bit off, but Im personally just happy to be still connected on wireless. If they can iron out QoS in another firmware then great, but staying connected was my biggest issue.
Ran the same TCP test and got these results this time - »174.34.146.20/myspeed/db/report?id=26712
Don't know why I got poor results first time. |
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ispgeek
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join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
| said by MLGTWISTED :My 2nd test was over wired, both tests were over wired. QoS my be a bit off, but Im personally just happy to be still connected on wireless. If they can iron out QoS in another firmware then great, but staying connected was my biggest issue. I understand. Sounds like you don't do a lot of gaming or anyting where QOS really is an issue.
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MLGTWISTED
join:2007-01-19
Melville, NY
2 edits | said by ispgeek :said by MLGTWISTED :My 2nd test was over wired, both tests were over wired. QoS my be a bit off, but Im personally just happy to be still connected on wireless. If they can iron out QoS in another firmware then great, but staying connected was my biggest issue. I understand. Sounds like you don't do a lot of gaming or anyting where QOS really is an issue. Well, yes and no, I actually play alot of Halo, but lately I play WoW which isn't so bad for time sensitivity. I run a business from home and use wireless for the business, staying connected is really my priority right now. Trust me, I want QoS to be improved also, I want gamerfuel to be improved, there's alot I want to improve the way games play. I want D-link to make it so that gamefuel performance actually out performs a router with gamerfuel off, because right now it doesn't.
Its obvious that this firmware beta's focus was staying connected and not QoS of any kind because with 2 hrs I turned gamefuel and WISH off. I think QoS with gamefuel off should also be improved because producing consistent bandwidth seems to be an issue.
I'm not naive enough to think my Cable provider has perfect service either because it doesn't, Unfortunetly Im not completely sure who to blame this QoS on, Optimum Online or my router? Im not confident in either for a strong QoS. |
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ispgeek
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join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
| Well we're gonna stay on D-Link like stink on shit until they fix not only this router but also several other models that also have firmware issues right now.
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MLGTWISTED
join:2007-01-19
Melville, NY
2 edits | reply to MLGTWISTED
Okay, so the settings that I've been testing haven't worked I knew things seemed to good to be true. Been talking with my wireless users and they say they've been getting disconnected, I guess thats what all the deauthentications were about.
Its not as bad as before, but disconnects still happen, and are at random times.
Unfortunetly I have to go back to my old settings; which isn't the end of the world because they do seem stable for wireless even when using 1.21 v2.
NEW WIRELESS SETTINGS BEING TESTED
802.11 Mode - B Only (Yes really)
Channel 1
11 mbit/s
All gamerfuel and WISH is off, but Im putting DNS Relay back on because I am getting unresponsive pages, especially over wireless. I'll let you know how these settings go, but first settings didn't not work and the current firmware won't allow my previous settings to work.
EDIT - dlink: Wireless system with MAC address 0023DF77AE7D disconnected for reason: Received Deauthentication
I keep getting this, anyone know why? |
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MLGTWISTED
join:2007-01-19
Melville, NY
3 edits | I found this post on d-link beta forums about Received Deauthentication »forums.dlink.com/index.php?topic=445.0 - I got my settings from the final post in the thead.
It appears that WPA2 Only and TKIP Security seems to stop the issue, I've never normally needed or used security. Im not sure whats best for TKIP or AES, but so far no Recieved Deauthentication.
Im not sure why the router forces you to use this to get the best wireless performance? |
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MLGTWISTED
join:2007-01-19
Melville, NY
| Okay, so I believe I've fixed my wireless disconnection issues, I'm using G Only right now, I guess I could go back to B,G,N and even try WISH. I thought these settings were causing my disconnects, it appears not.
Back to QoS - ispgeek, are you using gamerfuel, have you tried these test with it on and off? I turned my gamerfuel back on and the QoS was apparently worse, so Im a little confused here. |
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khevynn
join:2009-10-23
Waterford, MI
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Hey there, MLG... Just curious if you can give me a few pointers on using this router properly. Here is what I have:
2 Alienware gaming laptops (wife and myself) running vista 32 and playing primarily WoW, connecting wirelessly.
xbox 360 (my son) for his online gaming, also wireless.
We have comcast highspeed internet currently, and I just recently updated the firmware on the router to the latest. I believe it is the 1.21.
I have NOT set up any gaming priority yet since the firmware update, but I'm hesitant to do so until I understand it fully. The way I understand it is only one computer (IP address) can have the World of Warcraft pre-set port forwarding settings assigned to it. At least I don't think it's possible for more than one, but therein lies my problem.
Both my wife and I play WoW simultaneously, and my son will be upstairs playing xbox live. Recently, we have been getting randomly disconnected from the internet (not the router, as it still shows us being connected to it, just "Local" and not "Local and Internet". After a few moments, we are all back up and running, only to have it occur again a few minutes later. Being a fellow WoW player, you understand the issues this can cause in raids and such. How can I make the three devices work harmoniously and at optimal performance? |
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ispgeek
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join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
| said by khevynn :Hey there, MLG... Just curious if you can give me a few pointers on using this router properly. Here is what I have: 2 Alienware gaming laptops (wife and myself) running vista 32 and playing primarily WoW, connecting wirelessly. xbox 360 (my son) for his online gaming, also wireless. We have comcast highspeed internet currently, and I just recently updated the firmware on the router to the latest. I believe it is the 1.21. I have NOT set up any gaming priority yet since the firmware update, but I'm hesitant to do so until I understand it fully. The way I understand it is only one computer (IP address) can have the World of Warcraft pre-set port forwarding settings assigned to it. At least I don't think it's possible for more than one, but therein lies my problem. Both my wife and I play WoW simultaneously, and my son will be upstairs playing xbox live. Recently, we have been getting randomly disconnected from the internet (not the router, as it still shows us being connected to it, just "Local" and not "Local and Internet". After a few moments, we are all back up and running, only to have it occur again a few minutes later. Being a fellow WoW player, you understand the issues this can cause in raids and such. How can I make the three devices work harmoniously and at optimal performance? Why did you update to 1.21? Did you miss all the posts relating to that firmware here and other places? Since you've updated theres really nothing that will work properly with that router. If you just bought it, take it back and exchange it for something else.
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