 elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | reply to patcat88
Re: Citizen identification do you have ANY idea how many IPv6 address there are?
IPv6 addresses are 128 bits long
The new address space thus supports 2^128 (about 3.4×10^38) addresses
340,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 addresses |
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 n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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1 edit | said by AstroBoy:That's enough to give every person 5,666,666,666,666,666,666,666 IP addresses each. I don't even know what that is called! Maybe 5.6 billion trillion? Just think how much money ISP's can make if they only give you ONE IPv6 address and charge you for extras. Since NAT is not supported under IPv6 (currently) you will need extra IPv6 addresses to get all of your IP based equipment connected. The same equipment you currently have running through your NAT based router.
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 DrModemPremium
join:2006-10-19
USA
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5.6 sextillion  |
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 El Quintron... a faint odor of kerosenePremium
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said by n2jtx:Just think how much money ISP's can make if they only give you ONE IPv6 address and charge you for extras. Since NAT is not supported under IPv6 (currently) you will need extra IPv6 addresses to get all of your IP based equipment connected. Quick point:
IPv6 eliminates the need for NAT altogether. By having a unique IP for each device you eliminate the need of having your router translate your internal IPs to the outside internet.
Someone can explain this better than me but that the general idea.
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lol he said sex. Now I am excited! |
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said by n2jtx:said by AstroBoy:That's enough to give every person 5,666,666,666,666,666,666,666 IP addresses each. I don't even know what that is called! Maybe 5.6 billion trillion? That is comcast plan $5/m per IP $7/m per SD cable box $10/m per HD box $15-$20/m per HD DVR. |
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 Radio ActiveMy pappy's a pistolPremium
join:2003-01-31
Fullerton, CA | reply to AstroBoy
said by AstroBoy:That's enough to give every person 5,666,666,666,666,666,666,666 IP addresses each. I don't even know what that is called! Maybe 5.6 billion trillion? 5.6 septillion? 
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 FBGuyyippee ki yayPremium
join:2005-03-19 | reply to DrModem
you have won 5 interwebs for bring sex into a discussion. congratulations! |
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 SeleniaI love DebianPremium
join:2006-09-22
Lanesboro, MA
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said by AstroBoy:That's enough to give every person 5,666,666,666,666,666,666,666 IP addresses each. I don't even know what that is called! Maybe 5.6 billion trillion? That is pronounced 5 sextillion 666 quintillion 666 quadrillion 666 trillion 666 billion 666 million 666 thousand 666 |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
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said by El Quintron:Quick point: IPv6 eliminates the need for NAT altogether. By having a unique IP for each device you eliminate the need of having your router translate your internal IPs to the outside internet. I realize that. What I am pointing out is there is nothing I am aware of that would prevent an ISP from leasing you ONE IPv6 address as we normally do with IPv4 instead of a block of IPv6 addresses that will allow you to share multiple devices on your connection. Since IPv6 does not support NAT, they have an opportunity to charge you for each IPv6 address required. Perhaps it is just being paranoid but seeing what the likes of Comcast and Time-Warner have tried in terms of network management I would not put it past them.
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| That is definitely something I wouldn't put past our local equivalents being Bell and Rogers.
But you could easily bypass that by assigning the IPv6 address to your router, and running your internal network on IPv4 much like you have a local IPv4 and an external IPv4, only difference would by you'd have a local IPv4, and an external IPv6...
I'm purely speculating, but I did IPv6 tunneling when I was testing some IPv6 newservers... and I was under the impression this was how it worked anyways. My IPv4 ----> tunnel ----> IPv6 internet.
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said by AstroBoy:That's enough to give every person 5,666,666,666,666,666,666,666 IP addresses each. I don't even know what that is called! Maybe 5.6 billion trillion? This, my friend, is the purpose of Scientific Notation. |
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 RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY | reply to n2jtx
said by n2jtx:said by El Quintron:Quick point: IPv6 eliminates the need for NAT altogether. By having a unique IP for each device you eliminate the need of having your router translate your internal IPs to the outside internet. I realize that. What I am pointing out is there is nothing I am aware of that would prevent an ISP from leasing you ONE IPv6 address as we normally do with IPv4 instead of a block of IPv6 addresses that will allow you to share multiple devices on your connection. The address that they would be leasing you would be a /64 (the equivalent of the /32 you now get. Everything past the first 64 bits of the address is a host/device address (thus you get a 64 bit block of IPv6 addresses). The /64 identifies YOUR local network even if it is one or 1000 devices. |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
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| said by RARPSL:The address that they would be leasing you would be a /64 (the equivalent of the /32 you now get. Everything past the first 64 bits of the address is a host/device address (thus you get a 64 bit block of IPv6 addresses). The /64 identifies YOUR local network even if it is one or 1000 devices. Are we sure that they will be giving a /64? They could just as easily provision you with a /128 and then offer to lease you, for additional cost, /127, /126, /125, etc. /64 would be great and would provide more than enough addresses for a home user or enterprise for that matter. However, after years here on DSLReports I have become jaded and I cannot shake the feeling that some ISP's are going to milk this for all its worth and selling extra IP addresses/charging-per-device is a great money maker since you will need a unique address for every one of your devices. Especially if they ultimately become the "dumb pipes" they fear becoming and need ways to look for additional revenue (think credit card company mentality).
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY | said by n2jtx:said by RARPSL:The address that they would be leasing you would be a /64 (the equivalent of the /32 you now get. Everything past the first 64 bits of the address is a host/device address (thus you get a 64 bit block of IPv6 addresses). The /64 identifies YOUR local network even if it is one or 1000 devices. Are we sure that they will be giving a /64? They could just as easily provision you with a /128 and then offer to lease you, for additional cost, /127, /126, /125, etc. /64 would be great and would provide more than enough addresses for a home user or enterprise for that matter. However, after years here on DSLReports I have become jaded and I cannot shake the feeling that some ISP's are going to milk this for all its worth and selling extra IP addresses/charging-per-device is a great money maker since you will need a unique address for every one of your devices. Especially if they ultimately become the "dumb pipes" they fear becoming and need ways to look for additional revenue (think credit card company mentality). The definition of an IPv6 address is that the longest network address is a /64. The last 64 bits are defined as the address of a host on that network. Any address shorter than /64 is a super network (two or more networks being routed and addressed as one). Each ISP gets its own IPv6 /48 (or shorter) Network. This gives the bits from 48 (or the boundary) to 64 for addressing to route to customers. In effect the bits from 65 to 128 are a NATed LAN network except they are Internet Routable. To route to me (assuming that my ISP has a /44 Net Block) the routing TO the ISP has a /44 Mask and the ISP then routes using a /64 Mask to my Modem. My router (or Modem) then handles the routing to my devices. |
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