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Arlington, TX | Re: Citizen identification I remember when someone thought IPv4 would NEVER be exhausted... | |
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| Re: Citizen identification said by GNH:I remember when someone thought IPv4 would NEVER be exhausted... Do you also remember when 256k of ram would be all you ever need?
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Citizen identification said by Gbcue:said by GNH:I remember when someone thought IPv4 would NEVER be exhausted... Do you also remember when 256k of ram would be all you ever need? You sure that wasn't 640K?
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| | | | Re: Citizen identification I remember when the 1GB HDD came out and no one knew what the heck to do with all that space, lol. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Citizen identification said by PapaMidnight:I remember when the 1GB HDD came out and no one knew what the heck to do with all that space, lol. I remember my dad getting a HUGE 40MB hard drive (it was pretty physically big, too) back in the early 80s. It was mad-expensive, too.
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| said by Gbcue:said by GNH:I remember when someone thought IPv4 would NEVER be exhausted... Do you also remember when 256k of ram would be all you ever need? No kidding. Also remember ('76) when we were able to connect at 120 baud for the first time, thinking how did we ever get anything done with 30, and now...
It's not possible to have too many "network addresses." They should know that by now. | |
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Alexandria, VA | said by GNH:I remember when someone thought IPv4 would NEVER be exhausted... And it wouldn't be, had they been used, properly. I mean, does it make any kind of sense for an enterprise to have any public IPs on non Internet-facing systems? Were NAT more widely used, we'd have a lot less IP consumption going on. Hell: ISPs that really wanted to prevent customers from running servers would put their customers on private address spaces.
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Springfield, MO | Re: Citizen identification when the first class As were given out
there WAS no such thing as NAT.... sooo yea | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Citizen identification said by elios:when the first class As were given out there WAS no such thing as NAT.... sooo yea Yes, I know. Then again, some of the first recipients of those allocations no longer exist, either, or exist in different forms than the original organizations. There's very few companies, then or now, that would need an entire /8 of public IP addresses. For those that do need that many addresses internally, there's an ISC space for them. Would have been a lot better, overall, for the original class A and class B holders to cede them back to ARIN. Given modern network deployments, could have put off the need for IPv6 by another 5-10+ years.
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2 edits | Re: Citizen identification said by nixen:There's very few companies, then or now, that would need an entire /8 of public IP addresses. ... I'm in complete agreement. And here's a list of those who IANA and ARIN should put pressure on:
»www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-ad···pace.xml
The US Department of Defence is one of the top offenders.
Be sure to note how many /8 blocks IANA has reserved for their own use as well. I'm not sure if that means they're being held for future delegation or what.
There's also multicast, which takes up such an absurd amount of space that it should really be cut in half (at bare minimum).
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Etobicoke, ON | said by nixen:said by GNH:I remember when someone thought IPv4 would NEVER be exhausted... And it wouldn't be, had they been used, properly. I mean, does it make any kind of sense for an enterprise to have any public IPs on non Internet-facing systems? Were NAT more widely used, we'd have a lot less IP consumption going on. Hell: ISPs that really wanted to prevent customers from running servers would put their customers on private address spaces. Try working in the real world and you'll find NAT is not really solving anything. Its just a problem waiting for more problems. If we had more NAT more shit would be broken. yay. that's what I want.. NOT. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Citizen identification said by brad:Try working in the real world and you'll find NAT is not really solving anything. Its just a problem waiting for more problems. If we had more NAT more shit would be broken. yay. that's what I want.. NOT. Doing seven years at global web-hosting providers' operations departments was as close as I came to "real world". Notice I said "non Internet-facing". The biggest problems tended to be when people try to make NATed systems reachable by outside (e.g., customers' administrators and developers didn't want to use a bastion-host to access their second and third-tier systems). NAT wasn't exactly designed for that.
Was also painful with some replication solutions/configurations (when customers replicated non Internet-facing tiers over the Internet rather than dedicated, backend connections).
For desktop systems and for infrastructure that only ever talks on the internal networks, typically doesn't require the use of public address space.
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