http://www.dslreports.com/forum/DirecTV-one-pole-solution-23216889 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 07:22:39 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 07:22:39 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DirecTV-one-pole-solution-23290037
And your Hughes net is solid, know why? Because its properly mounted down on the pole, not affixed to the side of it with u brackets! So going back to what I said before its not as much of the side to side movement as it is the up-down movement. The footplate's that were used with these dishes were not properly made to hold the dish upright solidly without the use of a brace. That is all. Granted they're not as bad as the older side-car 5LNB dishes that were MUCH heaver but still, Ive seen it happen over and over again without the use of a brace and thats in virginia where there aren't tornadoes or many hurricanes!

All in all just do it already and then post your pics and story and then if and when it drops due to no brace let me know, if it doesnt then good for you. Sounds like your mind was set with the 1st installer anyways, buy all your gear and just do it yourself since your a retired sat engineer it should be a piece of cake! Oh and don't forget your drip and service loops ;) because apparently whoever installed your dish before did.. hope you dont have to add an extension to that dish line also..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DirecTV-one-pole-solution-23290037 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:50:16 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DirecTV-one-pole-solution-23286922 are already engineered into the feed.

I clearly understand the wind issue, and - unless that Slimline dish is made out of cellophane - I think you're making much ado about nothing. Installers who do both 2-way and ROTV learn quickly that dish movement is far more critical to the internet dish than to a ROTV dish, no matter how many LNBs are stuck out in front. The 50+ pound 98cm 2-way unit on top of that pole is solid as a rock. Like I said, my internet connection stayed up during a Cat 1 hurricane that passed through here last year. High school physics should tell you that a 40% smaller and 50% lighter dish (of any quality at all) mounted lower on the same pole - will move even less

But you did make one statement with which I must agree. EVERYBODY should "be open to new things and not reject everything you here".

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Now this isnt to say that you cannot engineer something on your own or make it work on your own. But from a ex DirecTV employee, they wont install it. They're wanting to get paid as well and not have anything affect there job status.. Specially in this economy. I did have a friend that was working on a new mount for the SL3 KA/KU dish to work on the old triple sat dish mount but never got to see if it worked or not. The SL3 doesnt require as much dithering or fine tuning as the SL5 that picks up the 110 and 119.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DirecTV-one-pole-solution-23277409 Mon, 02 Nov 2009 08:10:01 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DirecTV-one-pole-solution-23274801 said by guhuna:

From what I gather, the D* kaku dish is doesn't like high winds without the braces. The ka band is very picky. A little movement and you've lost signal.
From the viewpoint of a retired satcom engineer, that's an interesting observation. I was first introduced to ka-band back in the 80s. What you describe represents a shortcoming in the dish engineering, rather than Ka-band signals being "picky".

But that's the kinda input I'm lookin' for. My background has conditioned me to reject all the "just because" excuses. I've engineered things over the years that conventional thinkers said couldn't be done. As such, I refuse to buy an "it's just not allowed" company line without some solid engineering rationale to back it up.

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But as you can see from my profile, I'm a long time member here. Registering at another forum for a one time question just doesn't interest me. Thanks anyway for the suggestion.

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And if you post this thread at DBStalk.com you will most likely get the same responce. And the footplates are not identical at all, these are much larger. The dish all together is larger and heaver.. Please just understand, I had installed MANY of these, they will not stay upright without the support of either a solid concreted pole slid down on or the braces if not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DirecTV-one-pole-solution-23267204 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:59:19 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DirecTV-one-pole-solution-23266784 130mph wind speed rating. We had the Cat 1 remnants of a hurricane blow through here when I first put it up. 75+ mph winds are unusual for KY, but the internet connection and the TV picture were both rock solid

Look at the bottom of your photo, specifically at the vertical face bracket. Can't see them very good, the photo-shop job was a bit sloppy. It's got holes in it for U-bolts. That Ka/Ku vertical bracket is virtually identical to the one on my KU-dish. It's secured to the pole with a pair of 2-3/8" muffler clamps. They'll hold that little (compared to the internet dish) Ka/Ku dish in place just fine

I wanted DirecTV to do the upgrade, simply for the installation warranty. But I'm now beginning to think I should probably just order the hardware only, and specify a self-upgrade.

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Now they do make other installation ways, which we used to use a deck corner mount to attach to the old big dish poles that worked sometimes, so that might be an option. But the installer is correct, if he is wanting to be paid and not worry about QC failing his intall, it will need to be installed on a 2nd pole for support. And the number of cables I was just curious about because you said only 4 total between the two dishes, but if your only getting one DVR you will be fine, but if you ever decide to want more you will either need 2 more cables from the LNB or you wont depending on if you get the SWM single line LNB or not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DirecTV-one-pole-solution-23264922 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:32:02 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DirecTV-one-pole-solution-23262532
And one HD-DVR only, but I fail to understand the relevancy. The number of receivers supported is a function of the number or cables or the configuration of multi-switches. It has nothing to do with mounting a Ka/Ku-unit as a 2nd dish on a pole

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Personally, I know of no valid reason to insist on a separate pole for the new dish. If a 'company' requirement, it would be local. I suspect the installer is afraid of a callback because of some problem related to the mounting which would cost him money.

A 'tip' up front would probably get the dish installed as you desire.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DirecTV-one-pole-solution-23223418 Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:32:46 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-DirecTV-one-pole-solution-23222863
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Problem is that a local installer said he wasn't permitted to put an upgrade dish (Ka/Ku-multisat) on the pole with a 2nd dish. He wanted to install a 2nd pole (I just dug the old one out last month) and mount the DTV dish independent of the HughesNet dish. I feel that is totally redundant, when everything he needs is already in place. Plus, I don't want the yard dug up again, and I don't want any more holes drilled in my metal roofed brick house. All he has to do is replace the old dish on existing (approved) pole, connect it to existing (approved) cables and ground wire, replace old DVR, commission new DVR. I'd call that a plum job, all the grunt work is already done for him. A one-pole solution.

I emailed DirecTV customer support to ask why, but - not surprisingly - their response had absolutely nothing to do with the question. Anyone here run into this "one dish- one pole" thing before?

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