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shikotee

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Oct 21 2009 CRTC Ruling - Discuss!!!

The ruling is out. So - good or bad?

yokocar

join:2008-04-12
Whitby, ON

How about a summary of the ruling


Bolded

join:2009-09-24

Yes Please


cowina

join:2008-01-29
Toronto, ON

reply to shikotee
Does this ruling provide TSI with faster speeds?



RobP

join:2008-03-30
Burlington, ON

reply to shikotee
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/NEWS/RELEASES···1021.htm

I'm Reading thru it right now


ohzopants

join:2008-05-16
Ottawa, ON
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reply to cowina

said by cowina:

Does this ruling provide TSI with faster speeds?
No, technically they got that ruling a long time ago.
Bell just doesn't give a sh*t and chose to ignore it.


shikotee

join:2007-01-11
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reply to yokocar

said by yokocar:

How about a summary of the ruling
That will come in time. Right now, it seems kinda confusing.
On the UBB front - is this good, or bad?
Is it just a delay?

Digest everyone...... digest!!!!


El Quintron
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reply to shikotee
Good but everybody should take this a reprieve, and keep up the good fight.

By that I mean:

-A concrete ETA to getting off of Bell's infrastructure.

-Lobbying, we need them to have our concerns in mind when they make these decisions.

Bad:

Where are our matching speeds?

No talk of Canada's lagging broadband.
--
They vilify us, the scoundrels do, when there is only this difference, they rob the poor under the cover of law, forsooth, and we plunder the rich under the protection of our own courage.



RobP

join:2008-03-30
Burlington, ON

reply to shikotee
Basically looks like fluff


yokocar

join:2008-04-12
Whitby, ON

reply to El Quintron
So in other words, "We can't make up our minds of what to do, so we'll just put everything on the backburner now. G'night."



shikotee

join:2007-01-11
Canada
kudos:2

reply to shikotee
My impression is that this is total fluff!!!

“More and more, the Internet is serving as the backbone for communication, commerce, governance, health, education and entertainment. Our framework will foster an environment where ISPs, application providers and users have the utmost freedom to innovate,” added Mr. von Finckenstein.

Really?



RobP

join:2008-03-30
Burlington, ON

1 edit

reply to shikotee
From the UBB issue.
[Ninja edit for link on ubb]
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2009/2009-658.htm


Commission's analysis and determinations

14.
The Commission notes the applicants' and competitors' submissions that the Bell companies' UBB for residential GAS does not match in all respects UBB as applied to their retail Internet services, and that the Bell companies offer an insurance plan to their retail residential Internet service customers that they do not propose to make available to their GAS customers.

15.
The Commission notes that UBB is a rating measure to address network capacity issues, and considers that interim approval of UBB continues to be appropriate. The Commission notes its view, set out in Telecom Regulatory Policy 2009-657, that economic measures are the most transparent Internet traffic management practices.

16.
The Commission also notes that, because its approval of UBB is interim in nature, determinations in its final decision, based on the complete record of that proceeding, may be different. To the extent that the Commission's final decision approves the Bell companies' applications, but with approved rates, terms, and conditions that differ from those approved on an interim basis, competitor ISPs and the Bell companies would likely incur significant additional costs, time, and effort to comply with the final regime if the implementation date is not varied.

17.
In the Commission's view, regardless of its final disposition, in the particular circumstances of this case, it would be more efficient from a regulatory standpoint for the Bell companies, their GAS customers, and retail Internet service end-users to be subject to a more predictable and certain regulatory environment with respect to the Bell companies' applications than that afforded by an interim regime. In light of the above, the Commission considers that implementing UBB on an interim basis on the date contemplated in Telecom Order 2009-484 would not be appropriate. Before the Commission issues its final decision, it also considers it appropriate that parties may comment on all aspects of the Bell companies' applications as part of the process set out in Commission staff's 1 September 2009 letter.

18.
Accordingly, the Commission varies the implementation date for UBB established in Telecom Order 2009-484. The Commission's final decision will address implementation issues.

19.
Given its determinations in this decision, the Commission considers that TSI's application for a stay of implementation of the UBB charges is moot.


Madwand

join:2002-12-03
Toronto, ON

reply to shikotee
»www.newswire.ca/en/releases/arch···996.html


koreyb
Replace the CRTC NOW

join:2005-01-08
Etobicoke, ON

reply to shikotee
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2009/2009-657.htm

Traffic management



shikotee

join:2007-01-11
Canada
kudos:2

reply to shikotee
This seemed positive:

"The Commission has also adopted special rules for ISPs that provide services on a wholesale basis to their competitors. These are necessary to ensure that ISPs do not use Internet traffic management practices to cause competitive harm to their wholesale customers.

For both the retail and wholesale markets, the Commission will use its new framework to review practices that raise concerns or generate complaints."



RobP

join:2008-03-30
Burlington, ON

reply to shikotee
So transparency with Throttling and interim UBB is in


lewism

join:2008-04-25
canada

reply to shikotee
If you read their new framework:
If retail is throttled, wholesale can be.


cognizantt

join:2009-06-13

reply to shikotee
"the Commission approves on an interim basis the Bell companies' proposed two new GAS speed options and rates. The Commission also approves on an interim basis their proposal to introduce UBB for GAS, effective 90 days from the date of this order. The Commission further approves on an interim basis their proposal to introduce an excessive usage charge for GAS of $0.75 per GB in excess of 300 GB, effective the date the Bell companies notify the Commission in writing that they apply an excessive usage charge of $1.00 per GB in excess of 300 GB to all their retail customers on UBB plans."

»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2009/2009-484.htm


Bhruic

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Toronto, ON
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reply to RobP

said by RobP:

So transparency with Throttling and interim UBB is in
Not only is UBB in, it's preferred:

"Whenever possible, ISPs should give preference to Internet traffic management practices based on economic measures."

"a) Economic Internet traffic management practices

ISPs can choose to manage traffic through economic measures. This means that they could charge consumers rates based on how much bandwidth they use each month"


Stewy
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join:2007-12-12
Kitchener, ON

reply to shikotee

said by shikotee:

On the UBB front - is this good, or bad?
Is it just a delay?
UBB is in however they need more lube to make it happen without much pain to the consumer.
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