  drew Reformation Premium join:2002-07-10 Port Orchard, WA clubs: | reply to Matt Re: Post Your Windows 7 WEI Scores
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  Keizer I'M Your Huckleberry Premium,MVM join:2003-01-20
| reply to drew said by drew :I'm not trusting just what Matt is saying (though he's a pretty smart cookie) but more importantly, what AT is showing on their site. It makes sense. I think there might be a higher rate of map loading (though the only game I really play is WoW) it's probably less of a perf. boost from putting it on a SSD. Now maybe if I put two SSDs into a RAID-0 something small would be there, but nahhhhhhhhhh With all that said, I have no idea why you were even considering RAID 0. Buy an SSD drive and be done with it. That's what I will most likely do on my next build. |
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  drew Reformation Premium join:2002-07-10 Port Orchard, WA clubs: | Because it'd been a while since I'd looked at SSD prices and a second small sized HD was more affordable maybe? |
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  Keizer I'M Your Huckleberry Premium,MVM join:2003-01-20
| reply to Matt said by Matt :said by drew :Boy am I glad you posted that. I've been contemplating a RAID-0 for some time.... I should just invest in a SSD. I used to run RAID-0, all the way up to a 4-disk array. I've noticed significantly better performance from my single Velociraptor, especially with WoW map loading. Keizer  is right that certain things will be faster but I don't agree that game map loads will be as Anand disproved this in another RAID article and my own results bear this out. I noticed that if I copied large files around or was decompressing a large archive, RAID-0 was great. As you can see in the image above however, no significant difference and in this benchmark, RAID-0 was usually slower than a single drive. You could probably eek out better performance if you invest in a real PCI-E RAID controller with 15k SAS drives and on-controller cache though. But at that point the fastest SSD out will be cheaper and offer better performance. Regardless, 100MB/sec for my Velociraptor plus ultra-low seek times results in a much better overall experience in Windows. Desktop usage is all about response time, not pure transfer rate. That's why SSD are great, as their access times are effectively 0ms and they have ridiculously high transfer rates. You have to remember Matt, any online testing that you find is specific to the authors test bed used. Their results are not the gauge by which everyone should make their decision by. Especially with all the different hardware configs. It's much like over clocking, what works well on my system, may not on yours......even if we have identical hardware right down to the same mobo.
I can't think of a better test bed than two identical PC's running the exact same hardware, except one has RAID, and the other a single drive. Without a doubt, I had better disk performance with RAID 0 than that of my sons system with a single drive. Both with bench marking software, as well as real world scenarios.
Again. my experience is not to be used as a gauge for your particular system. Like overclocking, you have to try and see what happens. |
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  drew Reformation Premium join:2002-07-10 Port Orchard, WA clubs:
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| And the machines are maintained identically, same software, same *everything*?
I trust benchmarks and people who do it for a living more so than anecdotal evidence. -- Come play Mafia! | My Picture Blog |
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  howie Premium,MVM join:2003-04-08 Little Falls, NJ
| reply to howie I'll probably get a SSD at some point, but for now, I'm totally happy with my 7200.12 1TB SATA 3.0 HDD. It has ~130MB/sec. maximum transfer rates and averages about 103MB/sec. in a non-RAID configuration. My old 80GB ATA133 maxed out at about 40MB/sec. These new SATA drives are a LOT better than their old IDE counterparts. |
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  Keizer I'M Your Huckleberry Premium,MVM join:2003-01-20
| reply to drew said by drew :Because it'd been a while since I'd looked at SSD prices and a second small sized HD was more affordable maybe? Are you telling me or asking me?? LOL. Actually, that's why I went with two WD blacks in RAID 0 instead of a single VelociRaptor. Much cheaper when you figure the price per gig of storage space. Plus, like I mentioned, I've seen bench marks with two VelociRaptors in RAID 0 that performed pretty bad. Again, it could have been the controller being used that yielded the poor performance. |
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  Keizer I'M Your Huckleberry Premium,MVM join:2003-01-20
| reply to howie said by howie :I'll probably get a SSD at some point, but for now, I'm totally happy with my 7200.12 1TB SATA 3.0 HDD. It has ~130MB/sec. maximum transfer rates and averages about 103MB/sec. in a non-RAID configuration. My old 80GB ATA133 maxed out at about 40MB/sec. These new SATA drives are a LOT better than their old IDE counterparts. I have to agree with you Howie! |
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  drew Reformation Premium join:2002-07-10 Port Orchard, WA clubs: | reply to Keizer Telling you. |
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  Keizer I'M Your Huckleberry Premium,MVM join:2003-01-20
| reply to drew said by drew :And the machines are maintained identically, same software, same *everything*? I trust benchmarks and people who do it for a living more so than anecdotal evidence. Some of the people publishing some of these benchmark articles probably shouldn't be. But I agree, that there are some trust worthy names performing quality bench marking tests.
As far as your question about weather or not the two identical systems were maintained identically.......you have single-handedly proven the point I have been trying to make. You are asking the question because if one system was maintained differently, it may perform better or worse. Much like a RAID 0 array may or may not perform better on my system than yours. And, much like the end results from online bench mark articles might not be the same results you achieve on your system at home. |
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  drew Reformation Premium join:2002-07-10 Port Orchard, WA clubs:
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| Except they're comparing itself against itself versus another wild variable.
I like their method better than yours when it comes to PC. -- Come play Mafia! | My Picture Blog |
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  Keizer I'M Your Huckleberry Premium,MVM join:2003-01-20
| said by drew :I like their method better than yours when it comes to PC. What you should like is your own methods, not theirs or mine. I can't imagine the low place in life I would be had I listened to other people on everything. I'm glad you don't prefer my methods.....because they aren't yours. I was simply trying to give you other ideas to consider, not expecting you to follow me to a T. |
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  drew Reformation Premium join:2002-07-10 Port Orchard, WA clubs: | So in the area of PC benchmarking and tweaking, I shouldn't follow those who have tackled the idea/industry for years?
Uh. K. |
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  Keizer I'M Your Huckleberry Premium,MVM join:2003-01-20
| said by drew :So in the area of PC benchmarking and tweaking, I shouldn't follow those who have tackled the idea/industry for years? Uh. K. I think you should take the system you have in front of you, use legit sources for educating yourself, and run your own tests. Simple as that. Use what works for you, and runs solid on your system. |
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  drew Reformation Premium join:2002-07-10 Port Orchard, WA clubs:
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| Fantastic idea in the world of infinite resources (time and money, most notably.)
However when trying to figure out whether I should buy another Seagate SATA non-SSD drive to turn my system into a RAID-0 configuration or just purchase a SSD, I rely on others (plural!) to help me make the decision because my resources aren't infinite, but rather finite. -- Come play Mafia! | My Picture Blog |
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  Keizer I'M Your Huckleberry Premium,MVM join:2003-01-20
| said by drew :Fantastic idea in the world of infinite resources (time and money, most notably.) However when trying to figure out whether I should buy another Seagate SATA non-SSD drive to turn my system into a RAID-0 configuration or just purchase a SSD, I rely on others (plural!) to help me make the decision because my resources aren't infinite, but rather finite. And I am glad that works for you.  |
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| reply to howie hard drive is Corsair P256. |
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| said by netgear3700 :hard drive is Corsair P256. Now you KNOW there's something wrong when you have THAT bad of a graphics adapter going on. |
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| reply to howie I was actually surprised by how well my 2.5 year old system did in the WEI score. The disk score is what pulled it down, 3x 320GB Seagate 7200 drives. No SSD in my immediate future . Win7 is pretty snappy, no major complaints thus far (although I did whack that UAC setting, still annoying as heck, even when toned down).

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