 antiphishingPhishing Scam TerminatorPremium
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Wilkes Barre, PA
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Re: Trick or Treat, Windows 7 upgrade cripples Vista machines said by dave:So Microsoft should stop development of the OS? I'm unclear what you're saying. If it's simply that 'you don't have to use version N+1 just because it has been released', then I agree entirely. Or do you mean that they should simply continue to add new features to 'version N' instead of calling it 'version N+1'? I agree with your bottom two statements, especially the last
one since isn't that what a service pack suppose to do?
Microsoft shouldn't stop development of Windows only test their platforms better before final release.
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 CylonRedPremium,MVM
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Bloom County | With thousands of people testing for many months before its release - not sure you can get anything better. Not like all of the testing was in house - they had an extensive network of people out there testing it for a long time.
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 jaykaykay4 Ever YoungPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-13
Scottsdale, AZ
kudos:19
·Speakeasy
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No testing and no Windows 7. We're getting a new box and hence, a new OS. I almost chose Windows 7 but stayed with old, reliable XP. We have a number of old programs that have to be migrated to the new machine and I didn't need to get into this problem with constant reboot or anything else. I think waiting for 7 to get more of the kinks out, even though it has been tested by many, is my way. It may take until we get another new box, but so be it. I like new things but not those that I have potential problems with when installing old things. I am an old thing and am pretty sure that my other old things are written on a platform that works with XP, not Windows 7. I would rather be right than proved wrong. 
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davePremium,MVM
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| reply to antiphishing
said by antiphishing:I agree with your bottom two statements, especially the last one since isn't that what a service pack suppose to do? Emphatically no. A service pack fixes bugs in existing features.
I think it was a bad move to add new features in service packs, on the occasions it has happened. In fact I actively don't want new features in service packs. I want bugs fixed, I don't want my computer behaviour to change in any radical way otherwise.
Microsoft shouldn't stop development of Windows only test their platforms better before final release. It is not possible for Microsoft to test every combination of software available in the world. If Joe's Fly-By-Night Driver Company produces dodgy drivers, there's no way anyone except Joe can be responsible for that.
If Joe sells drivers to Dell, then Dell owns the problem, but it that case you should not upgrade Windows until Dell, not Microsoft, gives you the all-clear. Although pragmatically speaking, if it's Dell then Microsoft might want to do a little testing.
But my original comment holds: Microsoft can't validate every last little driver. If the driver obeyed published rules, it should be ok. But they don't always. |
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Crab Nebula
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said by jaykaykay: I am an old thing and am pretty sure that my other old things are written on a platform that works with XP, not Windows 7. I would rather be right than proved wrong. I'm an old thing too and every program that I was using on XP and tried in 7 worked fine. Even my 4 year old HP printer is fully functional.  Maybe I've just been lucky and I still have more programs to go but so far so good. 
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 aaronwtPremium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
·Verizon FiOS
| reply to Nanoprobe
Re: Trick or Treat, Windows 7 upgrade cripples Vista machines said by Nanoprobe:said by jaykaykay: I am an old thing and am pretty sure that my other old things are written on a platform that works with XP, not Windows 7. I would rather be right than proved wrong. I'm an old thing too and every program that I was using on XP and tried in 7 worked fine. Even my 4 year old HP printer is fully functional. Maybe I've just been lucky and I still have more programs to go but so far so good. The same goes for vista. I had no problem running programs in Vista. The Vista installs in my six machines were rock solid.
Hopefully Win7 will be just as rock solid in them as well. |
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 hhawkmanPremium
join:2001-02-08
Port Hueneme, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
| I am also an "Old Thing". I started with an Apple ][ many yaren ago. My first PC was an 80286, and I've followed from Win 3.0, to Win95, to Win98, etc, etc.
I have learned 1 thing in all those years. Never "upgrade" an older working system to the next version. Always do a clean install after:
A: backing up the old system and or disk image.
B: Buying a new HD and installing the new system on THAT (I could always set the old drive as a slave later and copy the old data to the new OS Drive)
That being said, My Eval version of Win7, was installed on my old Vista Machine with the Vista drive disconnected. I used the File and settings transfer wizard later to move all my data over.
Even in the old days, Most of us might remember having to re-install Windows to start with a clean slate, as over time it would become bloated. I used to do the same thing by using 2 drives, and swapping them from master to slave.
Upgrading anything without backup plan, is an accident waiting to happen, and anyone who does that is just asking for pain.
The biggest problem with all this is that people are doing upgrades to a system the barely know how to turn on. Always either:
A: Be a professional.
B: Ask a professional.
C. Let/Pay a professional do the "upgrade".
You will be a happier camper for it. |
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 alanhdslPremium
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Phoenix, AZ | reply to aaronwt
said by aaronwt:If you are trying to do an in place upgrade from vista 32bit to win7 64 bit then it is a user problem. Since I was upgrading a Vista 32 laptop to 64 bit Win7, I tried it. When I ran the DVD, I got an error message saying that I couldn't install it within the existing Windows and that I should boot the DVD.
Doing that got into the stand-alone installer, which doesn't offer the upgrade option (the box is there, but if you choose it it tells you to run it from within the current OS). |
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| Just do a CLEAN INSTALL, thats it.
But I dont understand people....Everytime a new OS comes out whether its Windows or Linux or whatever, they tend to rush out and get it...
I am running Windows 7 on VMware ONLY to test some applications. But to be honest, I am still planning to use Windows XP for a while..... |
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I was on YouTube and a guy was ranting because he had Windows Ult. VISTA and bought the upgrade for Windows 7 Professional.
He was mad because it should have said something on the box about having to buy the same-type...I pointed out that on the right side of the box flap it says to run the compatibility tool to find out what version of Windows is right for you.
I was going to link it, but he removed the video...OS's are not like video games, you need to read the instructions before you play.
A little research does do along way.
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aaronwtPremium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA Reviews:
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| reply to slajoh01
said by slajoh01:Just do a CLEAN INSTALL, thats it. But I don't understand people....Everytime a new OS comes out whether its Windows or Linux or whatever, they tend to rush out and get it... I am running Windows 7 on VMware ONLY to test some applications. But to be honest, I am still planning to use Windows XP for a while..... I hated XP. I was so glad when Vista came out since it was such a big improvement over XP. I only have XP on one old laptop now, and I only use that with my MAGIC JACK.
By Thanksgiving my other six machines will all have Windows 7 on them.
I've upgraded my three machines with Intel chipsets with zero problems. My other machines have Nvidia or AMD chipsets so I want to verify that all the drivers will be available before I do those upgrades. But so far the Win7 upgrade process is the easiest I've seen from MS. And the cost for the OS upgrade has been the least expensive.
I have been extremely pleased so far. |
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said by TSI James:I was on YouTube and a guy was ranting because he had Windows Ult. VISTA and bought the upgrade for Windows 7 Professional. He was mad because it should have said something on the box about having to buy the same-type...I pointed out that on the right side of the box flap it says to run the compatibility tool to find out what version of Windows is right for you. A little research does do along way. Thing is, that ALL of the marketing that M$ did made it plain as day that if you were using Vista Ultimate that you had no choice if you wanted to do an upgrade install but to use 7 Ultimate.
I'm not sure how that user missed all of those warnings 
As to doing research before hand, that's why I haven't rushed to upgrade my PC's yet, esp. with my touchscreen HP laptop. I want to be as sure as I can be that a Win 7 upgrade won't end up in me losing any functionality that I have now with it.
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 coldmoonPremium
join:2002-02-04
Broadway, NC
·Windstream
| reply to antiphishing
Just to offer some balance in this discussion, I had no issues whatsoever installing the Win 7 upgrade. In fact, I upgraded an upgrade
Went from Windows Vista Home Basic > Windows Vista Busniess Edition > Win 7 Pro without any problems. Only thing needed was to make sure VMWare 6x was uninstalled prior to the upgrade and then installed again following the process.
Some may have issues, but for others, the upgrade path is valid and works without issues...
JMHO
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 NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
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| reply to captokita
said by captokita:This happens with EVERY version of Windows that has come out, so it's no surprise, nor should the blame lie solely on MS. They can't figure EVERY system configuration out there, and there are bound to be issues, which is why step 1 in these upgrades is "BACKUP YOUR DATA". Step 2 should be "DO A CLEAN INSTALL". That is the only way to go and I have been doing that for years without any issues.
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said by aaronwt:My other machines have Nvidia or AMD chipsets so I want to verify that all the drivers will be available before I do those upgrades. They should be good to go. This box, which is still running the RC and one other, which has 7Pro RTM have AMD processors, Asus mobos and Nvidia chipsets. Both running smooooooooooooooooooooothly. I'm guessing the only thing you might need to do is a bios update.
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hhawkmanPremium
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Port Hueneme, CA Reviews:
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| said by Nanoprobe:said by aaronwt:My other machines have Nvidia or AMD chipsets so I want to verify that all the drivers will be available before I do those upgrades. They should be good to go. This box, which is still running the RC and one other, which has 7Pro RTM have AMD processors, Asus mobos and Nvidia chipsets. Both running smooooooooooooooooooooothly. I'm guessing the only thing you might need to do is a bios update. Ditto, sorta.... AMD Phenom, AMD 790X Chipset, and nvidia Video card (NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT) Install and Running, amazingly smooth. Vista runs like a crippled dog. I didn't have to install any external drivers. |
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join:2001-08-22
Westville, NJ
kudos:2
·Comcast
| On this machine I have AMD Athlon64 3400+ and an integrated RAMDAC Nvidia Geforce 6150 LE.
I'm still running XP SP2 and refuse to install the latest Geforce drivers because the last time I updated them I had to reformat. I've disabled the intelppm drivers but I still don't trust in that enough to update to SP3. The video driver problem may have been fixed by updating NET Framework but I'm unsure about that too.
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