 rawwhidePremium
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Re: Trick or Treat, Windows 7 upgrade cripples Vista machines said by Sindows 7:Upgrade is a lousy idea. Clean install is the way to go, upgrade is just a catch-phrase. As in "upgrade from Vista". Isn't there a price difference between the full version and the upgrade version?
edit - Yep there is a price difference. Many will go with the upgrade version to save money.
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davePremium,MVM
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kudos:7 | Upgrade versions don't require you to do an upgrade installation. Two different concepts. (At least they didn't in prior versions). |
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 antiphishingPhishing Scam TerminatorPremium
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said by rawwhide:Upgrade is a lousy idea. Clean install is the way to go, upgrade is just a catch-phrase. As in "upgrade from Vista". Isn't there a price difference between the full version and the upgrade version? edit - Yep there is a price difference. Many will go with the upgrade version to save money. The asking price is not worth the aggravation in my opinion.
I will stick with slow and highly Bloated Windows Vista. 
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1 edit | said by antiphishing:said by rawwhide:Upgrade is a lousy idea. Clean install is the way to go, upgrade is just a catch-phrase. As in "upgrade from Vista". Isn't there a price difference between the full version and the upgrade version? edit - Yep there is a price difference. Many will go with the upgrade version to save money. The asking price is not worth the aggravation in my opinion. I will stick with slow and highly Bloated Windows Vista. No aggravation at all. I did two installs last last night with Win7 64 bit. One on a laptop and one on a desktop. it went very smoothly. |
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rawwhidePremium
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said by dave:Upgrade versions don't require you to do an upgrade installation. Two different concepts. (At least they didn't in prior versions). Most people won't realize this though and will actually upgrade. There shouldn't be an upgrade version to fool people. The full edition should be priced the same as the upgrade version.
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davePremium,MVM
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| said by rawwhide:The full edition should be priced the same as the upgrade version. Yes, but in the American system of free enterprise, manufacturers are free to set the price of goods they sell. Thus, should a company wish to offer lower prices to its existing customers in order to persuade them to buy a new version, it is allowed to do so. |
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rawwhidePremium
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| said by dave:said by rawwhide:The full edition should be priced the same as the upgrade version. Yes, but in the American system of free enterprise, manufacturers are free to set the price of goods they sell. Thus, should a company wish to offer lower prices to its existing customers in order to persuade them to buy a new version, it is allowed to do so. Yes, but when you create such confusion as to hurt sales by causing media attention that is negative, then is that decision wise? How well is this launch going over? How well will this version pull in new customers? Isn't this version important to Microsoft? Last I heard was that this was a make or break for MS. Microsoft hasn't seen money from me since XP. I have started migrating over to Linux. My family is now happily running Linux. 
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If people cannot be bothered to learn what a upgrade edition is and what kinds of installations it supports perhaps they should not be attempting to do their own upgrades. For that matter people confused about all the editions of Windows 7 probably should not be making the choice themselves and should probably let some trusted person who is smart enough to research the options make the choice for them.
Computers require a certain level of learning to operate and I have zero sympathy for anyone who can not take the time to learn or if they feel they are above learning they should defer the decisions and upgrading to somebody who is smart enough to do the research. |
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said by rawwhide:said by dave:Upgrade versions don't require you to do an upgrade installation. Two different concepts. (At least they didn't in prior versions). Most people won't realize this though and will actually upgrade. There shouldn't be an upgrade version to fool people. The full edition should be priced the same as the upgrade version. Agree.
The problem is compounded by the fact many manufacturers entered into an upgrade agreement with MS to offer the "Windows 7 Upgrade Option" at low or no cost to the consumer who purchased systems with Vista.
»www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/of···ion.aspx
The only mention of doing a clean install in the faq are for qualifying Vista Business Ultimate owners that had downgraded to XP Pro (and have the qualifying sticker/eligible status/rights). There is no mention of the same coming from Vista. |
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 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
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Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to rawwhide
said by rawwhide:said by dave:said by rawwhide:The full edition should be priced the same as the upgrade version. Yes, but in the American system of free enterprise, manufacturers are free to set the price of goods they sell. Thus, should a company wish to offer lower prices to its existing customers in order to persuade them to buy a new version, it is allowed to do so. Yes, but when you create such confusion as to hurt sales by causing media attention that is negative, then is that decision wise? How well is this launch going over? How well will this version pull in new customers? Isn't this version important to Microsoft? Last I heard was that this was a make or break for MS. Microsoft hasn't seen money from me since XP. I have started migrating over to Linux. My family is now happily running Linux. It's going pretty well, here are a few stats:
»windowsitpro.com/mobile/pda/Arti···3&News=1
Windows 7 accounted for $3 billion in revenue for the quarter for a product that launched on October 22nd. Over 90 percent of people who tested the beta or release candidate versions of Windows 7 described the product as "good" or "extremely good" and would recommend it to others. And get this: A whopping 80 percent of testers who identified themselves as Mac users said that they, too, would recommend Windows 7.
Additionally, I must have missed this post in here when Snow Leopard was released:
»www.informationweek.com/news/har···19501399
Snow Leopard isn't without its glitches, however. Currently the OS suffers from more than 100 incompatible Mac applications, according to a Web site that tracks compatibility.
It's also been hit with an installation bug know as "the spinning wheel of death" which causes the OS to hang during upgrades. Apple, in a support bulletin, has suggested the problem may be due to conflicts with older software.
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 bbarreraPremium,MVM
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| Paul Thurrot is drunk from his Win7 party as Microsoft's SEC filing begs to differ:
quote:
Windows Division revenue decreased primarily as a result of the deferral of approximately $1.5 billion of revenue related to the Windows 7 Upgrade Option and sales of Windows 7 to OEMs and retailers before general availability in the second quarter of fiscal year 2010. Including revenue and units associated with the Windows 7 Deferral, OEM revenue decreased $207 million or 6%
Microsoft pre-sold $1.5B of Win7 for the quarter ending Sept 30 (not $3B as claimed), and if you add the Win7 revenue back into last quarter they still had a revenue hit. There is no doubt that Win7 will do well after the industry waited 8 years for a MS desktop OS to cheer about. Although Vista turned into a decent OS after SP1, it failed miserably by most measures and the good news is that Microsoft brought Win7 to market in a reasonable timeframe.
What does any of this thread have to do with Mac OS X? Oddly you forgot to post the first paragraph or two from that thread which called Snow Leopard "a hit" and "remains a top seller"
I think both OS are doing fine and both will have a few upgrades with problems. |
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 fireflierCoffee. . .Need CoffeePremium
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Limbo | reply to antiphishing
I've done a clean install on two PCs with quite good success, and one was a 5-year old laptop that I tested the 90-day enterprise trial version on. I was able to use the OEM drivers supplied for Vista and Win7 was quite happy to use them.
They do also have a 3-license "family" upgrade version of Home Premium for $149 vs. $119 for the single license upgrade version. For anyone with 3 or more PCs, that's a no-brainer and is a pretty reasonable cost in my opinion. I can update one running XP to a zippy stable Win 7, and have updated another running that bloated constipated crap called Vista which was worth it in and of itself to get rid of Vista.
Ordinarily I don't buy a new OS for a year or more after it releases, but after having tested the beta and RC versions, I felt comfortable enough that it was going to be fine.
One of the biggest issues I've seen is that Tune Up Utilities doesn't have a Win7 compatible version yet. 2009 won't install but 2008 will.  I suspect they'll have something out soon though.
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