http://www.dslreports.com/forum/TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23244309 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:28:38 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:28:38 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23546189 Guess not everyone's rate is going up :)
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Lonnie]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23546189 Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:21:38 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23316674 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23316674 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:13:06 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23304313
You mean like the letter that was posted.

Hob
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23304313 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:01:46 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23304253
TWC really has me over a barrel here since I can't even get DSL at my house. I've been seeing Uverse VRADs going in a couple of miles down the road from my house and the AT&T trucks have been heading in my direction. As soon as I can, I'm going back to Uverse. At least they send you a postcard warning you ahead of time that they're going to raise rates.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23304253 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:46:45 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23297277 said by hottboiinnc:

no i'm not holding out. There is no actual proof. If you want proof call VZ or ATT and ask them for quotes. The prices would be the same as they were last year or the year before that. Why do you think they require massive contracts to get the bandwidth? And why do the small HSI providers have caps on their bandwidth usage? Why? Because it's NOT getting cheaper.

You can have a "study" about anything but it doesn't make it fact. Only the market prices make it fact and I don't see any pricing that shows that the prices are cheaper.
I'm talking about the cost of buying bandwidth in bulk - TW's costs, not yours or mine. Go and price bandwidth in bulk and its way cheaper than it was 5 years ago and it was way cheaper then than it was 10 years ago. What has happened is that retail costs (what you and I pay) have been flat and profits on supplying high speed bandwidth have gone up.

Compare any major providers SEC filings over the years (including TW's) and you will see that their profits have risen as retail rates have stayed pretty much the same and speeds have increased. There is no other way I know of for that to happen other than their costs dropping.

Of course, without actually speaking with each of their vendors, confirming their stories with years of invoices, accessing their internal reports, grilling the authors of those reports to confirm that they didn't fudge the numbers to exceed analyst expectations, that's just a theory. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23297277 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:31:30 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23297220 said by hobgoblin:

"Exactly where are their bandwidth fixed costs escalating?"

I love the way you inserted "bandwidth"

The letter said "fixed" not Fixed bandwidth" The cost of everything is going up, employee costs, electricity costs, health care, everything is going up.

The cost of internet service has not gone up for years.

Hob
Actually, of your list, only health care is going up significantly. Inflation is currently running at about 1.5%/year and that includes health care. There are tons of reports and articles summarizing them that indicate that wages have not kept pace with inflation for the past ten years. Translation: effectively, employee costs have dropped. Add to that the productivity increases and operational efficiencies that consolidation have brought, the cost of supplying Road Runner has dropped considerably and continues to do so.

No reasonable argument could be made that the cost of supplying shared high speed Internet service has gone up. It has consistently dropped. And the profits from it have consistently risen - despite the lack of rate increases.

I'm not syaing increased profits are a bad thing. What I am saying is that claims that the current price increase is reflective of cost increases is flat out not true. And FWIW, while the rates in NE Ohio have not risen, the service in may parts of it has deteriorated notably over the past few years. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23297220 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:24:45 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23294053
I love the way you inserted "bandwidth"

The letter said "fixed" not Fixed bandwidth" The cost of everything is going up, employee costs, electricity costs, health care, everything is going up.

The cost of internet service has not gone up for years.

Hob
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23294053 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:21:15 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23292146
You can have a "study" about anything but it doesn't make it fact. Only the market prices make it fact and I don't see any pricing that shows that the prices are cheaper.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23292146 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:41:40 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23284130 said by hottboiinnc:

that doesn't say anything and most of them are "studies" with no real proof.
What constitutes proof? The entire world understands bandwidth is getting cheaper. You seem to be the lone hold out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23284130 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:41:31 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23275011
Here is my favorite scam: "Go green!" sign here to get all your priceless bank statements and other critical information delivered online! Once you click "ok!", then they can tell your ISP to jack up the prices, baby, because they are stuck now!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23275011 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:13:56 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23275053 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23275053 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:27:08 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23274453 said by hottboiinnc:

All i have is RoadRunner as well, and i still got the rate hike. EVERYONE in NEO is getting it. On average it's going up $3 per person.

They know most people can't get or doesn't want U-Verse so they have a market here and won't do any upgrades so why not raise rates.

Also as far as bandwidth going down in cost? It's only studies and no real proof. One should also note, that RR owns most of it's own network and doesn't really see any "bandwidth costs".
There is plenty of proof:

»www.guardian.co.uk/technology/bl···telecoms

"Wholesale bandwidth 40% cheaper than last year
Wholesale broadband prices are dropping rapidly everywhere - but are your costs getting lower?"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23274453 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:14:14 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23263966 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23263966 Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:19:56 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23255772 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23255772 Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:55:14 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23255529 www.kba4.net/images/rr-ratehike_···size.jpg

»www.kba4.net/images/rr-ratehike_10232009.rar
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They know most people can't get or doesn't want U-Verse so they have a market here and won't do any upgrades so why not raise rates.

Also as far as bandwidth going down in cost? It's only studies and no real proof. One should also note, that RR owns most of it's own network and doesn't really see any "bandwidth costs".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23249941 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:33:28 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23249574
The bill I had just received said rates are going up but listed no change for my service where it said to look. And here I thought I was safe :p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23249574 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:26:33 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23248452 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23248452 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:23:34 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23246947 said by hottboiinnc:

TWC NEO just raised rates on RR starting Nov. 23.

RR goes up to $49.95 per month now WITH CableTV services.

I just received my letter today, I'll try and scan it later to post.
I shoulda known that that "To start over, press SEL" wasn't exactly a free gift from TWC :(.

EDIT: Whoops, sorry. I just realized that this is the RR forum, not for the TV side of things. My bad...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23246947 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:56:15 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23246803 No price increase for RR Lite.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23246803 Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:34:48 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23245971
I just have RR (turbo) and phone. this will become the 5th bill in a row with a wildly different price :huh:

Jul $303.09 (this was the month I moved service and had a new outlet installed)
Aug $121.20
Sep $143.85
Oct $33.35
Nov $???.??

lets hope I get a job at TW soon (free service, just $10 or so for turbo charged RR) or competition moves in forcing price changes. i suppose i have an equal chance of winning the lotto too :)
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Lonnie]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23244871 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:36:54 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23244715
I have not even use it for a month yet and they want to increase to $50 for the 7MB tier.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23244715 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:13:29 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23244309
RR goes up to $49.95 per month now WITH CableTV services.

I just received my letter today, I'll try and scan it later to post.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/TWC-NEO-Rate-Hike-23244309 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:34:59 EDT