FireFish
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join:2009-10-30
Fair Lawn, NJ
|  [DVR] FiOS Home Media Multi-Room DVR - Storage Expansion
My Main Box |
My setup - 2 FiOS DVR boxes:
Main: Motorola QIP6416
Secondary: Motorola QIP7100
My Questions: I've been told that it is generally simple to store more DVR recordings than your box can hold by merely connecting an external hard drive.
With that in mind, open this link in a new window or tab:
»bit.ly/187BKV
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If I were to order one of the above, will it work with my setup? What if's or but's do I need to know in advance? Simple setup? Firewire, USB, CAT5?
Secondly, why is it so difficult to find this answer online? What precautions, laws, etc. should one be aware of in this situation?
Thanks in advance for responding, if you are that is  |
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darcilicious
Cyber Librarian
Premium
join:2001-01-02
Forest Grove, OR | Can't be done with Vz set-top boxes, sorry. |
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FireFish
Premium
join:2009-10-30
Fair Lawn, NJ | siht. |
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KenAF
join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA
3 edits | If you want more storage capacity with FiOS, you basically have four options:
(1) buy a TivoHD (supports external drives and allows internal upgrades);
(2) buy a Moxi (supports external drives);
(3) setup a PC with Windows7 Home Premium and one or more ATI OCUR tuners ($200-$250 per tuner) or wait until 1Q 2010 for the Ceton quad-tuner card ($400-$600); or
(4) wait until Verizon offers a Cisco DVR with more storage (320GB?) in 1Q 2010.
All four options support all SD and HD channels on FiOS. |
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More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
 ·Bay Area Internet ..
| reply to FireFish
said by FireFish  :Secondly, why is it so difficult to find this answer online? No shortage of discussion of the subject here:
»New Motorola STB/DVR's ?
»hard drive size
»[DVR] No improvements to FiOS DVR in 1.5 years?!
»[DVR] Bigger DVR?
»[DVR] New HD-DVR |
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FireFish
Premium
join:2009-10-30
Fair Lawn, NJ
| reply to KenAF
said by KenAF :(4) wait until Verizon offers a Cisco DVR with more storage (320GB?) in 1Q 2010. All four options support all SD and HD channels on FiOS. You think they'll give out free upgrades to that box? I heard a bunch of rumors about the Cisco box. Any resources or sites that discuss the features they plan for it? |
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BishopQ
@cisco.com
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I do work for Cisco, but don't cover the VZ account so I have no idea what models they're looking at. That said, my guess would be something like this:
»www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collate···687A.pdf
Quite possibly they could be looking at the home gateway option as well. It's a hard drive that hangs off your actiontec and acts like a VOD/DVR server for lightweight STB's in your house. |
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More Fiber
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join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
·Bay Area Internet ..
2 edits | reply to FireFish
said by FireFish :You think they'll give out free upgrades to that box? Why would they do that? The boxes certainly aren't free from cisco.
said by FireFish : Any resources or sites that discuss the features they plan for it? There is a nice feature on this site called "search". 
»Re: [DVR] Bigger DVR? |
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FireFish
Premium
join:2009-10-30
Fair Lawn, NJ
| said by More Fiber :said by FireFish :You think they'll give out free upgrades to that box? Why would they do that? The boxes certainly aren't free from cisco. said by FireFish : Any resources or sites that discuss the features they plan for it? There is a nice feature on this site called "search". » Re: [DVR] Bigger DVR?
edit: Don't be surprised if this thread gets locked. Your original question has been answered and DVR capacity / new DVRs are already being discussed in other threads. Why would they do that? Well, remember that I don't OWN the current box. The equipment is Verizon's.
With that said; Let's remember that I'm paying them about $180 a month at the end of the day and for paying a fee like that which includes the hardware, I'd expect them to offer me to send back my current box to upgrade it for the new hardware at no charge.
Does it cost them money? Sure. But that's the cost of doing business. As technology progresses, they've got to enhance the features on their boxes, in efforts to keep their customers onboard with Verizon & happy (that's how a customer becomes loyal).
If you'd appreciate the business logic behind my point, you'd see where I'm coming from and see my side. |
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nascar
join:2000-02-28
Verona, NJ
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Comcast
| reply to BishopQ
said by BishopQ :
Quite possibly they could be looking at the home gateway option as well. It's a hard drive that hangs off your actiontec and acts like a VOD/DVR server for lightweight STB's in your house. They are absolutely looking at this. |
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VZ_FrankN
join:2009-10-13
Belmar, NJ | reply to FireFish
Hello FireFish,
The rumors are true vz will be deploying 320GB dvr in the 1Q of 2010. They will start deployment in NY,NJ,PA,DE first. No exact date has been announced |
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frankpf3
verizon.net
join:2007-08-09
Huntington Station, NY | For new customers only? |
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More Fiber
Premium,MVM
join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
·Bay Area Internet ..
| reply to FireFish
said by FireFish :If you'd appreciate the business logic behind my point, you'd see where I'm coming from and see my side. I understand your point perfectly well.
Let's do a little math. VZ has about 2+ million TV subscribers. Lets assume half of those subscribers have a DVR. That is 1M boxes. Lets also assume that the cost of the DVR to VZ is $400. If the upgrade were free, that would be $400M in "free upgrades" that customers would be demanding day one.
For a little perspective, look at what happened wth SD verses HD DVRs. Initially, VZ offered both, with the HD DVR at a premium price ($5/mo more, IIRC). Eventually, VZ dropped the SD-DVR. So now, VZ is getting the higher price for every new DVR.
I suspect you will see the same pricing model with the 320gb DVRs, with VZ initially charging an incremental premium for the higher capacity box. Those that want/need the extra storage will pay the difference. VZ will eventually drop the lower capacity models as inventory is depleted. VZ will then be getting the incrementally higher price for all new DVRs installed. |
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Agrajag
join:2005-04-04
Cherry Hill, NJ
2 edits | reply to More Fiber
Re: [DVR] FiOS Home Media Multi-Room DVR - Storage Expansion
Why would they do that? The boxes certainly aren't free from cisco. I pay extra each month so that when new equipment is available I can upgrade to it without additional charges. Coming from DirecTV this was the expectation that was set by them. I owned by DirecTV equipment and paid no fees for it. When new equipment came out I paid for it up front.
You can't charge me every month and then when new equipment comes out say you're going to charge me yet again. |
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jammmin
join:2000-12-14
Upper Marlboro, MD
| reply to KenAF
said by KenAF :If you want more storage capacity with FiOS, you basically have four options: (1) buy a TivoHD (supports external drives and allows internal upgrades); (2) buy a Moxi (supports external drives); (3) setup a PC with Windows7 Home Premium and one or more ATI OCUR tuners ($200-$250 per tuner) or wait until 1Q 2010 for the Ceton quad-tuner card ($400-$600); or (4) wait until Verizon offers a Cisco DVR with more storage (320GB?) in 1Q 2010. All four options support all SD and HD channels on FiOS. Are you saying/suggesting that Verizon will not offer an option in 2010 to add external storage to any of its boxes such as Diretv and Dishnetwork? |
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tebc0
@verizon.net
| reply to FireFish
motorola is coming out with the next generation dvr 7232 in december. this stb has double the recording space and usb port will be active. the cisco boxes will not work in existing motorola stb areas due to equipment issues in the verizon central office. |
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itguy05
join:2005-06-17
Camp Hill, PA
| reply to More Fiber
quote:
Let's do a little math. VZ has about 2+ million TV subscribers. Lets assume half of those subscribers have a DVR. That is 1M boxes. Lets also assume that the cost of the DVR to VZ is $400. If the upgrade were free, that would be $400M in "free upgrades" that customers would be demanding day one.
Let's take that one step further:
Say the expected life of that $400 box (I think it costs Verizon a lot less but we'll roll with that) is 3 years. That's a totally reasonable lifetime.
At $15.99/mo * 36 = $575.64.
At $15.99/mo that box is "paid for" in 25.07 months.
So tell me again why this shouldn't be a free upgrade? |
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PoloDude
Premium,VIP
join:2006-03-29
East Northport, NY
| said by itguy05 : quote:
Let's do a little math. VZ has about 2+ million TV subscribers. Lets assume half of those subscribers have a DVR. That is 1M boxes. Lets also assume that the cost of the DVR to VZ is $400. If the upgrade were free, that would be $400M in "free upgrades" that customers would be demanding day one.
Let's take that one step further: Say the expected life of that $400 box (I think it costs Verizon a lot less but we'll roll with that) is 3 years. That's a totally reasonable lifetime. At $15.99/mo * 36 = $575.64. At $15.99/mo that box is "paid for" in 25.07 months. So tell me again why this shouldn't be a free upgrade? You are only looking at the cost of the box.
What about the cost to order them, ship them, hold in inventory,when needed for techs to install them.
Then the cost to retrieve the old boxes and all the costs to now handle all of them.
No company would do that. The boxes are working fine for the company generating revenue so that they CAN offer better/more services.
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CrobertGauth
join:2007-12-15
Glen Burnie, MD
| said by PoloDude :said by itguy05 : quote:
Let's do a little math. VZ has about 2+ million TV subscribers. Lets assume half of those subscribers have a DVR. That is 1M boxes. Lets also assume that the cost of the DVR to VZ is $400. If the upgrade were free, that would be $400M in "free upgrades" that customers would be demanding day one.
Let's take that one step further: Say the expected life of that $400 box (I think it costs Verizon a lot less but we'll roll with that) is 3 years. That's a totally reasonable lifetime. At $15.99/mo * 36 = $575.64. At $15.99/mo that box is "paid for" in 25.07 months. So tell me again why this shouldn't be a free upgrade? You are only looking at the cost of the box. What about the cost to order them, ship them, hold in inventory,when needed for techs to install them. Then the cost to retrieve the old boxes and all the costs to now handle all of them. No company would do that. The boxes are working fine for the company generating revenue so that they CAN offer better/more services. And that is just the cost of the hardware. What about the cost to develop and support the IMG? Software costs can be many more times the cost of the hardware. |
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