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amigo_boy

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Re: Fix The Loophole

said by r81984:

said by majortom1029:

Considering google can now be used as your phones voice mail they should follow by the same rules that att and verizon do.
Why?
Google is not even a phone service. ...
Doesn't it depend on what we call a "phone service?"

A few years ago people said VoIP isn't a phone service because they don't own copper. Today, we've come to a "new normal" of what is a phone service.

Google's definitely providing a service involving phones, and it's to the same end users that more traditional providers serve. It interconnects to those traditional providers.

I believe that it won't be too long before we view that as a type of "phone service," presenting its own set of challenges, risks, etc.

Mark


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You need phone service to use google voice.
Unless google voice becomes a stand alone voip it will never be phone service.

The only reason voip cannot be regulated like traditional phone companies is because traditional phone companies own the connection for the phone service while voip providers do not. Voip cannot offer any guarantee of connectivity because of this.

Voip has always been a phone service, I don't know who told you it was not.
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amigo_boy

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said by r81984:

You need phone service to use google voice.
Unless google voice becomes a stand alone voip it will never be phone service.
It depends on how you define "phone service." Does it have to cost money? Does it have to be your primary service, or something that interconnects to (and largely becomes, based upon your usage,) your phone service.

Just because it's different, I wouldn't say "it's not a phone service." It could present the kind of challenges and risks that caused us to regulate traditional phone companies, and more recently VoIP.

It's much closer to being a "phone service" than a conference-calling service is. It provides you a DID (from a regulated CLEC?). The service you receive from that DID is largely the same service you receive from your primary "phone service." It interconnects to others who use more traditional "phone service." Just because it "fronts" your primary "phone service" doesn't mean it's not a "phone service." Just that it's a new type of service, much the same way VoIP was new a few years ago, and the challenges/risks it posed weren't fully understood until adoption increased.

It's qualities make it close enough to a "phone service" to me that I wouldn't automatically reject the need for regulation.

Mark


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It is not a phone service any more than using a calling card is.

If you take away google voice you still have your phone service.
If you take away your cell, voip, or landlind then you lose phone service and cannot use google voice.
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amigo_boy

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said by r81984:

It is not a phone service any more than using a calling card is.
That seems like apples and oranges. You don't get a DID with a calling card. You don't use a calling card to front-end your phone service, replacing it to a large extent, handing out your Google phone number instead of your real phone number, and dependent upon the underlying CLEC(?) servicing the number you've handed out to everyone.

I'm not saying Google is the same as ATT. But, neither are VoIP companies. But, they've come to be regulated (such as number porting, etc.).

I'm keeping an open mind about Google. It may present challenges/risks that would would benefit from regulation.

Mark

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