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<description><![CDATA[Smokey Bear posted : <b>10 things I'd like to see in the next version of Windows</b><br>TechRepublic | Alan Norton | November 8th, 2009<br><br><div class="bquote">Now that IT pros have started kicking the Windows 7 tires, it makes sense to consider the next round of improvements. Alan Norton shares his list of the changes he hopes to see.<br><br><i>In brief:</i><br><br>1: A smaller footprint<br>2: An alternative to the Start button and desktop shortcuts<br>3: A replacement for WGA<br>4: Improved Windows installer<br>5: Removing support for 16 bit and 32 bit<br>6: Simple backup and archive manager<br>7: Decimal capacities and measurements<br>8: A better defragmenter<br>9: Firewall, antivirus, and malware<br>10: A replacement for Task Manager<br><br><b>The final word</b><br><br>The last three items in the list share a common thread: transparency. For security reasons, I want to know what my OS is doing. I have found myself looking more than ever at third-party software because many of the tools that come with the operating system are average in performance at best and don&#146;t do what I want them to. That is a hard statement to make for someone who has had so much respect for Microsoft over the years.<br><br>I understand that the 80/20 rule probably applies here &#151; 80% of the people using Windows don&#146;t care what the Disk Defragmenter is doing, what processes are running, or who is trying to connect to their computer. They trust Microsoft&#146;s software. I don&#146;t because I don&#146;t know what it is doing. Perhaps a favorite quotation of former U.S president Ronald Reagan says it best:&#148;Trust, but verify.&#148;<br><br>Microsoft seems to be moving Windows toward a black box built for the masses. The next release would be a good time to add some windowpanes to the black box to allow a view in and some information out.</div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1143" >blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1143</A><br><small>--<br>Smokey's Security Forums &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.smokey-services.eu/forums/" >www.smokey-services.eu/forums/</A><br>Smokey's Security Weblog &raquo;<A HREF="http://smokeys.wordpress.com/" >smokeys.wordpress.com/</A><br><i>Official Jetico Inc. Support Forums &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.smokey-services.eu/" >www.smokey-services.eu/</A></i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Phil posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/465004" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=465004');">ironwalker</a>:</small><br><br>So wait, will windows 8 be what windows 7 sp1 should be?<br> </div>Yep!  And it should be available by Summer 2010.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Z80 posted : Microsoft made its fortune and grew to own the desktop marketplace with the 2 year cycle model and if the upgrades are even mildly compelling like DOS 5 and 6.2 were, people will pay just as they did before Vista.  Remember, Vista was the first deviation from this 2-ish year cycle in the company's history.<br><br>Corporate customers rarely upgrade existing desktops anyway.  They lease equipment and get whatever OS is out at the time the equipment is leased.  If anything, more mild upgrades will make IT departments more apt to accept and upgrade (which was obviously not the case with Vista).]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Ryan posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/170109" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=170109');">CylonRed</a>:</small><br><br>I think if they returned to the 2 year cycle - I think they would stop pretty quickly for lack of adopters to make money.   Quality is more important to more folks than quantity.  Quantity of OSs in a time period does not equal quality and in fact - if usually not the case and has been seen in their OSs in the past...  I don't think they want to get back to the "Wait till the first SP before even thinking of buying" mantra.  They may finally see the folly in that.<br> </div>However quality does not equal years in production. Look at vista the release was disastrous due to all the changes it took in one release. Windows 7 had a MUCH shorter development time and the release is superb.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Matt3 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/826894" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=826894');">JimF</a>:</small><br><br>I think it is the miserable usability groups that are the problem.  They keep trying to make it "easy" for us.  I have to spend the first two hours (or more) with each new Windows install trying to get the GUI back to where I can find things.  And I turn off the "Search" service first thing.<br> </div>Search in Windows 7 is a godsend. I never thought I'd have a use for a "desktop search" tool but the way it's integrated into the 7 start menu is indispensable. You can damn near run everything without ever opening the control panel, start menu programs, or explorer to navigate to a subdirectory for an admin tool. Start - Run is a thing of the past. You should really try and get comfortable with it, I think you'll find yourself pleasantly surprised.<br><br>As for the Network and Sharing Center, I see benefits and drawbacks, but I think it misses the mark overall. I can understand the reason for it, but it's too cumbersome and unreliable, even in Windows 7.<br><br>Otherwise, I think the new GUI changes in 7, especially around the taskbar, are great. Peek and being able to perform most network related tasks from the network icon in the system tray alone make 7 worth it to me.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[CylonRed posted : I think if they returned to the 2 year cycle - I think they would stop pretty quickly for lack of adopters to make money.   Quality is more important to more folks than quantity.  Quantity of OSs in a time period does not equal quality and in fact - if usually not the case and has been seen in their OSs in the past...  I don't think they want to get back to the "Wait till the first SP before even thinking of buying" mantra.  They may finally see the folly in that.<br><small>--<br>Brian<br><br>"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank....  driven by Rosanne Barr..."  A. Bourdain</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[JimF posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1070995" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1070995');">quetwo</a>:</small><br><br>Two of the biggest annoyances for me that were in Windows Vista are still in 7, and are unlikely to be addressed.  <br> ....<br>if I previously statically set an IP address/DNS/etc., it still sends out DHCP requests, and wait about 30 seconds to see if it can connec to the internet, just to show me that "you are connected" icon.  <br>....<br> - Search.  They insist on indexing everything over and over and over again. <br>....<br>Not only that, if I'm searching for a particular file, it again comes up with lots of unrelated results from the web, email, etc. making life more difficult.  I'm not a fan of a search-engine on my computer <br> </div>I think it is the miserable usability groups that are the problem.  They keep trying to make it "easy" for us.  I have to spend the first two hours (or more) with each new Windows install trying to get the GUI back to where I can find things.  And I turn off the "Search" service first thing.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Matt3 posted : I don't think anyone is missing the point. Unless Microsoft stops offering the pre-order pricing or family packs, the "old" pricing model is a moot point. Most people aren't buying upgrades anyway, they get whatever comes with their new PC.<br><br>Regardless, I like shiny new things that advance technology, so a new OS every 2 years sounds great to me. I'll make the decision when that OS is released whether I want to upgrade to it or not. I'm sure businesses will do the same thing. They've always held to a 2 year release cycle (&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows#Timeline_of_releases" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_&middot;&middot;&middot;releases</A>) with the exception of Vista, so they are just returning to the normal release cycle.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[CylonRed posted : And you have both missed the point again...  3 packs for MS are new and were not available in the past oh - 15+ years where the average price of an upgrade was $89 or $99 PER and another $50-$100 more for full versions.  <br><br>Again - the every 2 years is problematic because of the cost and issues with getting the software ready on time and with good QA which older OSs from MS had - one reason why "don't buy till the first service pack" mantra was a so popular - and is still popular.<br><br>There is zero reason for a new OS every 2 years - none especially for the average user.  Most businesses would balk at a new OS every 2 years as well as an unneeded expense and just make supporting multiple OSs for the IT staff.<br><small>--<br>Brian<br><br>"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank....  driven by Rosanne Barr..."  A. Bourdain</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Matt3 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/170109" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=170109');">CylonRed</a>:</small><br><br>Again - for this one OS - past OS's were far more than that and again - people would have been spending more than $100 every 2 years.  Pro with 3 PCs in a house would still be over  $300 after taxes...<br> </div>Yes, but you're also making assumptions, so my assumption is that upgrades will continue to be sold for the same price for pre-orders. Not only that, you can get a Windows 7 Family Pack (3 licenses) starting as low as $177: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Premium-Upgrade-Family/dp/B002MV2MG0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1257172961&sr=1-1" >www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows&middot;&middot;&middot;1&sr=1-1</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Ryan posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/170109" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=170109');">CylonRed</a>:</small><br><br>Except you forget that a lot of folks have more than one machine - so for a lot of people you are NOT talking about $100 every 2 years.  More like $2-300 as long as it is the Home version.  Double, if not more,  if more than the  home version is needed.<br><br>MS needs to rethink the pricing to even have the chance to make the 2 year cycle work.<br> </div>So 150 for a 3 pack then (If you feel the need to upgrade all your computers) Personally I only keep my main PC at the latest and greatest. Even at 150 for 3 pc's I find it very reasonable. <br><br>The average home user is not going to need professional. Most home users don't have a domain controller and hell if you really need RDP that bad on every PC install vnc...  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[CylonRed posted : Again - for this one OS - past OS's were far more than that and again - people would have been spending more than $100 every 2 years.  Pro with 3 PCs in a house would still be over  $300 after taxes...<br><small>--<br>Brian<br><br>"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank....  driven by Rosanne Barr..."  A. Bourdain</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Matt3 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/170109" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=170109');">CylonRed</a>:</small><br><br>Except you forget that a lot of folks have more than one machine - so for a lot of people you are NOT talking about $100 every 2 years.  More like $2-300 as long as it is the Home version.  Double, if not more,  if more than the  home version is needed.<br><br>MS needs to rethink the pricing to even have the chance to make the 2 year cycle work.<br> </div>The Home Premium upgrade was $49 and the Professional upgrade was $99.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[CylonRed posted : Except you forget that a lot of folks have more than one machine - so for a lot of people you are NOT talking about $100 every 2 years.  More like $2-300 as long as it is the Home version.  Double, if not more,  if more than the  home version is needed.<br><br>MS needs to rethink the pricing to even have the chance to make the 2 year cycle work.<br><small>--<br>Brian<br><br>"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank....  driven by Rosanne Barr..."  A. Bourdain</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Matt3 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1070995" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1070995');">quetwo</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/843138" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=843138');">Matt3</a>:</small><br><br>You can disable indexing of certain file types. I would investigate that if search isn't working for you. I find it very accurate and very helpful.<br> </div>The problem with disabling certain file types (or for example, email), is they are disabled globally.  Search for email won't work in Outlook (where it should work). If I disable the "help" filetype, then it will never show up anywhere, which is not what i'm looking for -- I simply want to disable it from showing up in the start menu search. <br> </div>You can somewhat control where the Start Menu searches. I'm guessing you're seeing help files show up that should since they are included in one of the two categories. I understand that you would like more fine grained control over specific file types (and I would urge you to submit that as a suggestion) but at the same time, I think you may be in the minority on that one.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap WIDTH=33%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23277600?c=1485589&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzI3MTc1MC54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="3761 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=199 HEIGHT=80 SRC="/r0/download/1485589~b44da42edae7423cf10d37cb085054ab/Clipboard01.png"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Ryan posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/170109" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=170109');">CylonRed</a>:</small><br><br> I don't understand why you think a consumer wants to spend over $200 for an OS every 2 years?  Makes zero sense to me.<br><br> </div>A standard priced upgrade for home premium can be purchased for around 100 dollars and oem prices are similar. 100 dollars for the latest OS (as long as it is stable) every 3-5 years seems reasonable to me and I would have no problems spending money to have the latest and "greatest" ;) . <br><br>Honestly if we were talking about features that were necessary and an OS I was completely happy with I would still be on windows 2000. <br><br>The fact is that with every OS release its not just gui and usability changes there are many changes under the hood. The start of Windows 7 development was a complete cleanup and optimization of the kernel. That with the addition of TRIM support for SSD hard drives alone is worth 100 dollars to me. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[CylonRed posted :  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>One reason people didn't want to switch from XP was simply the fact they were used to it.<hr></blockquote><br>If it works, and works WELL, why is there is the need to make a new OS?  What NEED is there for a person (user) to switch to a new OS?<br><br>I don't understand why you think a consumer wants to spend over $200 for an OS every 2 years?  Makes zero sense to me.<br><br>Vista had problems because it will full of issues - lots of people switched to it - and a lot of those folks talked about how bad it was both in functionality and with hardware.  Hardware manufacturers had problems getting drivers out for Vista - be even worse if they went to a 2 year release..<br><small>--<br>Brian<br><br>"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank....  driven by Rosanne Barr..."  A. Bourdain</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[seankelly posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/717460" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=717460');">KeepOnRockin</a>:</small><br><br>8 years for any program puts it into an obsoleted status.  One reason people didn't want to switch from XP was simply the fact they were used to it.</div>With 8 years and three SPs, XP has matured to the point where it does what people need without too much hassle. I maintain five PCs running XP Pro and on the rare occasion there's a problem, it's generally easy to fix with a quick Google; and I can find a program to do pretty much anything I want. There's simply no need for me (expensively) to update.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[xpclient posted : Btw I agree 101% with what OZO said. Btw I created and maintained those "Features removed from Windows Vista" and Features removed from Windows 7 articles over three years (Nov 2006 when Vista RTMed) hoping users would be annoyed at this feature trading and demand MS to fix things up like these but users seem to be very satisfied with 7 and don't see what they're losing. It's similar to the Windows 7/Aero taskforce attempt but I'm more concerned about losing features which we have been enjoying in XP and previous versions that are removed either without thought or foolish conscious decisions by MS management. They don't give choice any more and keep things optional and customizable, that's why XP is the last best OS to come from them and that's why it's dominant at 70%.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Packeteers posted : Bill Gates was personally responsible for Windows Vista.<br>I say - good riddance - MicroSoft will do fine without him.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[BillRoland posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/755055" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=755055');">OZO</a>:</small><br><br>I'm sorry but I do not expect anything new from any "new" product developed by this company.<br><br>Since Bill Gates has left the company it is in a new epoch. It doesn't offer any innovation anymore, but rather it sells feature sets. When B.G. leaded company - I was excited with real new software development. But not now... <A HREF="http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/exec/steve/default.aspx">Steve Balmer</a> clearly has a <A HREF="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1274983729713522403#">different strategy</a>. <A HREF="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1274983729713522403#docid=6304687408656696643">While he was shouting "developers"</a> he really meant "marketers"...<br> </div>I would have to absolutely agree with this.  Gates was a driving force inside Microsoft, whether or not you agreed with what they were doing.  I'm not at all convinced Ballmer will be able to set a successful course for Microsoft.<br><small>--<br>"Don't steal.  The government hates competition." <br>Beyond AM. Beyond FM. XM</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[OZO posted : What I've found depressing is - since S.B. took the leading role I start missing useful functions that were simply removed from the new versions of products. Just one example - toolbar customization in IE6 that was removed from IE7 - was already mentioned in <A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23271750-">my first post</a>.<br><br>I don't remember examples of removed obviously useful functionality from products when B.G. was leading the company though. That's why I think now it's a different time - with new versions they simply start shuffle functions around and offering just a different subset of them (removing at the same time others) as a new version of product. As  Z80 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1670930"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> <A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23274152-">has said</a> - it's a change in a sake of a change and almost nothing more than that... <br><small>--<br>Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself...</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Link Logger posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/156437" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=156437');">dave</a>:</small><br><br>I did make a list of what I thought was innovative in OS design, but it depressed me since it all happened in the 1960s and 1970s.   ;-)</div>Ya its depressing, but its how things work.  Innovation is a beautiful thing and races along building on the work already done (Albert Einstein and Issac Newton both said 'If I have seen further than others, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants'), making great strides until someone invites Joe Public to get involved and then innovation slows down as the strides become shorter.  Success can be a curse and for as far as computers are concerned success has been a curse for innovation as the user base has so much inherent inertia that change can't happen as fast as it used to.  Now innovation is still happening but it really appears at 'build a better mouse trap' speed which is how most innovation occurs in any 'post consumer' technology, but most people can't see it and hence claim it no longer exists, but it does, you just have to look at the small steps as they still as innovation, just not the bombshells that were possible when things were just starting.<br><br>Blake<br><small>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</a> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Z80 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by skuv :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1670930" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1670930');">Z80</a>:</small><br><br>Microsoft needs to return to this long standing every 2 years model.  It stops them from biting off more they can chew. <br> </div>What do you mean, "return to it?"<br><br>Vista was released in January 2007, XP was released in October 2001.  That seems like plenty of time between releases.<br><br>Unless you literally mean, 2 years between releases, which means you want Microsoft to take less time between major OS releases.<br><br>I'm not sure how that would help matters.<br> </div>Exactly.  I mean, prior to Vista, MS was releasing an OS about every 2 years going back deep into the 1980s.  MS would be best served returning to this pattern that served them so well for more than 2 decades.  2 years isn't enough time to over hype and under deliver.  DOS 4 and WinMe are the only real exceptions I can think of in how many releases?  A dozen counting the NTs?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[quetwo posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/843138" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=843138');">Matt3</a>:</small><br><br>You can disable indexing of certain file types. I would investigate that if search isn't working for you. I find it very accurate and very helpful.<br> </div>The problem with disabling certain file types (or for example, email), is they are disabled globally.  Search for email won't work in Outlook (where it should work). If I disable the "help" filetype, then it will never show up anywhere, which is not what i'm looking for -- I simply want to disable it from showing up in the start menu search. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[KeepOnRockin posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by skuv  :</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1670930" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1670930');">Z80</a>:</small><br><br>Microsoft needs to return to this long standing every 2 years model.  It stops them from biting off more they can chew. <br> </div>What do you mean, "return to it?"<br><br>Vista was released in January 2007, XP was released in October 2001.  That seems like plenty of time between releases.<br><br>Unless you literally mean, 2 years between releases, which means you want Microsoft to take less time between major OS releases.<br><br>I'm not sure how that would help matters.<br> </div> XP lasted much longer than it really should have, IMO. 2 years is a good release cycle.  There sure weren't 8 years in between 3.1 to 95; 95 to 98; or even 98 to XP.  In terms of software and technology, 8 years for any program puts it into an obsoleted status.  One reason people didn't want to switch from XP was simply the fact they were used to it.  <br><br>8 years is a long time to get used to a piece of software.  <br><br>If Vista had been released (and completed fully) even 3-4 years earlier (such as 2004 or 2005); it may have been adopted more warmly.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kiwi posted : I'm about to click the 'Buy' button on WIN 7 Pro, when all is said and done the primary reason is 64bit and loads runs far leaner than expected (Beta). What still amazes me is the sheer size of this OS! It's almost a MAC based OS in terms of very little user interaction for hardware loads; just does it.<br><br>With the new footprint update for hardware from Intel, the WIN 7 OS from Microsoft, we are @ a point that is conducive to 2/3rds up the bell curve for innovations and function.<br><br>MS is considering a Linux approach in the near future, however hardly anybody noticed the MAC conversion with the latest OS.  ;)<br><br>Hardcore software and hardware obsessive compulsive people, now have a new arena to work with. Not such a bad thing, I am wondering how MSDN will work out, not having run that on anything other than XP Pro.<br><br>Just in case the point was missed, I like WIN 7, unlike my failure to buy into WINME and VISTA, both should have been shot before they hit the gate.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1670930" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1670930');">Z80</a>:</small><br><br>Microsoft needs to return to this long standing every 2 years model.  It stops them from biting off more they can chew. <br> </div>What do you mean, "return to it?"<br><br>Vista was released in January 2007, XP was released in October 2001.  That seems like plenty of time between releases.<br><br>Unless you literally mean, 2 years between releases, which means you want Microsoft to take less time between major OS releases.<br><br>I'm not sure how that would help matters.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Matt3 posted : You can disable indexing of certain file types. I would investigate that if search isn't working for you. I find it very accurate and very helpful.<br><br>I do agree about the network stack, but I'm not so sure this doesn't have to do with drivers also. My laptop (the one I constantly putz with network settings on) behaves completely different based on the driver version that I use. Each time I update it, a new issue is introduced and the old issue seems to be resolved. As far as the firewall, I think that's a better safe than sorry approach. If it didn't reset to the most stringent, the howls from the regulars in this forum would be loud indeed. :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Smokey Bear posted : <b>Microsoft mulling 128-bit versions of Windows 8, Windows 9</b><br>Ars Technica | October 7, 2009<br><br><div class="bquote">According to a supposed Microsoft Research employee's LinkedIn profile, Microsoft is working on 128-bit architecture compatibility with the Windows 8 and Windows 9 kernels. Consequently, the company is also forming relationships with major partners, including Intel, AMD, HP, and IBM.</div>&raquo;<A HREF="http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/10/microsoft-mulling-128-bit-versions-of-windows-8-windows-9.ars" >arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2&middot;&middot;&middot;ws-9.ars</A><br><br><small><i><b>Note: till yet, this info isn't confirmed by a reliable source</b></i></small><br><small>--<br>Smokey's Security Forums &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.smokey-services.eu/forums/" >www.smokey-services.eu/forums/</A><br>Smokey's Security Weblog &raquo;<A HREF="http://smokeys.wordpress.com/" >smokeys.wordpress.com/</A><br><i>Official Jetico Inc. Support Forums &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.smokey-services.eu/" >www.smokey-services.eu/</A></i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[kw posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1070995" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1070995');">quetwo</a>:</small><br><br>Those are just the most annoying -- almost deal-breakers, and I'm sure things that won't change for 8 (I expect them to get worse).  <br> </div>I'm glad I'm not that picky. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Z80 posted : Microsoft needs to return to this long standing every 2 years model.  It stops them from biting off more they can chew.  Of course it didn't prevent WinMe and DOS 4 but nothing is fool proof.<br><br>If Windows isn't broken, don't fix it.  Customers don't want change for change's sake.  They want reliability.  The reason Windows 7 was "friction free" was this exact reason.  There was nothing really new, just small tweaks and fixes to Vista.<br><br>IOW, revolution breaks everything.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[quetwo posted : For me, it's all about providing more options.<br><br>Two of the biggest annoyances for me that were in Windows Vista are still in 7, and are unlikely to be addressed.  <br> - The networking stack is still unreliable.  When I plug into a 'new' network, why does it still reset my firewall settings to the most stringent?  As a network tech, I'm constantly resetting my firewall settings to allow basic things like TFTP through.  Along the same lines, if I previously statically set an IP address/DNS/etc., it still sends out DHCP requests, and wait about 30 seconds to see if it can connec to the internet, just to show me that "you are connected" icon.  I know I won't be connected, and locking up my networking for an extended period of time is useless to me.<br> - Search.  They insist on indexing everything over and over and over again.  And now, they've integrated the full search into the start menu.  Now, when I'm looking for the Exchange Manager, I now get help-files, emails, web links, and buried somewhere in the results is my start-menu entry.  Not only that, if I'm searching for a particular file, it again comes up with lots of unrelated results from the web, email, etc. making life more difficult.  I'm not a fan of a search-engine on my computer -- but a simple file-system FIND would be great.  Heck, a very simple Start Menu find would be great, but to slam all results together makes no sence to me what-so-ever.<br><br>Those are just the most annoying -- almost deal-breakers, and I'm sure things that won't change for 8 (I expect them to get worse).  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Matt3 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1537340" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1537340');">Smokey Bear</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/139520" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=139520');">cork1958</a>:</small><br><br>Windows 7 is decent enough that MS shouldn't have any need to crank out Windows 8 ASAP!<br> </div>According to a former Microsoft Research employee, MS would be better off if the company ditched Windows and instead built its own version of the Linux operating system: <b>Microsoft Linux</b>  ;)<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Networkworld :</small><br><br>A lot of open source advocates like to rage against the machine at Microsoft, but when a former Microsoft Research employee says that Windows 7 won't stop Linux from market domination, that's an opinion to note. Keith Curtis, author of the book After the Software Wars, says just that. But he goes further. He thinks Microsoft and its customers would be better off if the company ditched Windows and instead built its own version of the Linux operating system.<br><br>These topics came up yesterday during my interview with Curtis for Network World's Panorama Podcast series. It was an interesting conversation with someone who has crossed over worlds, from Microsoft employee to free software advocate. But it raised as many questions in my mind as it answered. For instance (at 13:10 in the interview), I asked Curtis how he thinks Microsoft can meet its obligations to employees, shareholders and customers while also morphing itself from a proprietary software maker to an open source company. His answer was surprising: Microsoft Linux. He noted that Ubuntu was started with about $10 million -- an amount that Microsoft could lose unnoticed in the cushions of a couch.<br><br>"I think we could all be running Microsoft Linux. I sent an e-mail to Steve Ballmer about this and he said he wasn't interested," he quips, but is only partially joking. "Microsoft could very easily dominate the Linux market if they wanted to. I don't think they should release all their source code ... nobody would use it."<br><br>Given the likelihood of Microsoft Linux (zippo), I asked him if he thought the IT industry, with its giant Microsoft ecosystem, would somehow be better off if Microsoft vanished rather than having the folks in Redmond figure out how to become more open.<br><br>"There is an ecosystem around Microsoft but if you look at the ISV ecosystem, that's mostly disappeared. When I joined Microsoft in '93, there would be boxes of software that people would install. But that's almost gone. Microsoft's partners are service providers and hardware vendors. ... whether Microsoft should whither away is a difficult question. I just look at their code bases and the world doesn't need any of their code bases. From the day I started using Linux, I no longer used one line of Microsoft code -- it's been four years now."</div>Source: Networkworld | 10/28/09<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/46840" >www.networkworld.com/community/node/46840</A><br><br> :D<br> </div>I am a NetworkWorld subscriber and they will print ANYTHING to fill up space. I think I started tossing their magazine directly into the trash when they printed the opinion of an astrotruf group representative who said that Net Neutrality would mean the Tier-1 providers would be forced to "decouple" and if a developer wanted to reach you, they would have to pay a fee directly to your ISP. They give this lady her own article every issue to spew her ignorant nonsense.<br><br>I had questioned some of their authors before, but that nailed it for me.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Matt3 posted : I can't wait to see what Microsoft brings to the table with Windows 8. I think Vista was trying to overreach and when they realized they couldn't re-architect Windows from the ground up and had to start over, they still didn't understand the need to move Windows forward slowly.<br><br>With Windows 7, they built upon the fundamentals of Vista, kept the driver models intact but fixed a ton of bugs and annoyances, while introducing lots of new features and functionality that shored up the GUI. It was exactly what they needed to do and so far it's paying off. Windows 7 sales have accounted for $3 billion at last count and 25% of Microsoft's revenue for the quarter. 90% of users surveyed said Windows 7 was "good" or "great" and they'd recommend it, including 80% of the Mac subsection.<br><br>So what would I like to see in Windows 8? Better integration for media sharing. Homegroups are great, but they're more meant to do away with manual sharing, which is a good first step. I'd like to see something where I can stream my media to any internet connected device (like Webguide: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.asciiexpress.com/webguide/" >www.asciiexpress.com/webguide/</A>) and something that allows me to access my Windows Media Center remotely.<br><br>I'd like to see Windows move more toward a unified, single package installation/uninstallation system like the Mac has. Installing apps on Windows is brain-dead easy, but uninstallation can be a nightmare.<br><br>I'd like to see support for more than just a GPU accelerated GUI. I'd like to see Windows have the ability to utilize the GPU and possibly even GPU RAM when it's available. If video cards are moving toward 1GB or more of RAM, let's utilize that.<br><br>I'd also like to see several bugs shored up around non-AD connected client machines accessing the network remotely, but those are likely Office/Windows Server bugs rather than Windows bugs.<br><br>I'm sure there are more, but those are just off the top of my head. Other than that, I'm glad the same guy will be around for Windows 8. He nailed it with Windows 7 and it seems like he gets it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Smokey Bear posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/139520" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=139520');">cork1958</a>:</small><br><br>Windows 7 is decent enough that MS shouldn't have any need to crank out Windows 8 ASAP!<br> </div>According to a former Microsoft Research employee, MS would be better off if the company ditched Windows and instead built its own version of the Linux operating system: <b>Microsoft Linux</b>  ;)<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by Networkworld :</small><br><br>A lot of open source advocates like to rage against the machine at Microsoft, but when a former Microsoft Research employee says that Windows 7 won't stop Linux from market domination, that's an opinion to note. Keith Curtis, author of the book After the Software Wars, says just that. But he goes further. He thinks Microsoft and its customers would be better off if the company ditched Windows and instead built its own version of the Linux operating system.<br><br>These topics came up yesterday during my interview with Curtis for Network World's Panorama Podcast series. It was an interesting conversation with someone who has crossed over worlds, from Microsoft employee to free software advocate. But it raised as many questions in my mind as it answered. For instance (at 13:10 in the interview), I asked Curtis how he thinks Microsoft can meet its obligations to employees, shareholders and customers while also morphing itself from a proprietary software maker to an open source company. His answer was surprising: Microsoft Linux. He noted that Ubuntu was started with about $10 million -- an amount that Microsoft could lose unnoticed in the cushions of a couch.<br><br>"I think we could all be running Microsoft Linux. I sent an e-mail to Steve Ballmer about this and he said he wasn't interested," he quips, but is only partially joking. "Microsoft could very easily dominate the Linux market if they wanted to. I don't think they should release all their source code ... nobody would use it."<br><br>Given the likelihood of Microsoft Linux (zippo), I asked him if he thought the IT industry, with its giant Microsoft ecosystem, would somehow be better off if Microsoft vanished rather than having the folks in Redmond figure out how to become more open.<br><br>"There is an ecosystem around Microsoft but if you look at the ISV ecosystem, that's mostly disappeared. When I joined Microsoft in '93, there would be boxes of software that people would install. But that's almost gone. Microsoft's partners are service providers and hardware vendors. ... whether Microsoft should whither away is a difficult question. I just look at their code bases and the world doesn't need any of their code bases. From the day I started using Linux, I no longer used one line of Microsoft code -- it's been four years now."</div>Source: Networkworld | 10/28/09<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/46840" >www.networkworld.com/community/node/46840</A><br><br> :D<br><small>--<br>Smokey's Security Forums &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.smokey-services.eu/forums/" >www.smokey-services.eu/forums/</A><br>Smokey's Security Weblog &raquo;<A HREF="http://smokeys.wordpress.com/" >smokeys.wordpress.com/</A><br><i>Official Jetico Inc. Support Forums &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.smokey-services.eu/" >www.smokey-services.eu/</A></i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[cork1958 posted : I don't think Windows 8 will be out as quickly as Windows 7 was after the release of Vista.<br><br>MS KNEW how bad Vista was, and found out from the people first hand after releasing it, is the  only reason Windows 7 is out already, other than obvious cash flow.<br><br>Windows 7 is decent enough that MS shouldn't have any need to crank out Windows 8 ASAP!<br><small>--<br>The Firefox alternative.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/" >www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[KeepOnRockin posted : It seems to be getting harder and harder to see true innovation these days.  Lots of idea/design copying.  Especially with so many technology patents already purchased/in place.  <br><br>If someone tries to think of something truly unique, puts it to market and it becomes successful; you may see a patent lawsuit around the corner from some small, no-name company who claimed to have the idea first.<br><br>Instead of the old adage, "build a better mousetrap", now it's improve the existing mousetrap.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[KrK posted : I remember them buying things like Defrag,  Disk Compression,  Backup, etc etc]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Link Logger posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/170109" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=170109');">CylonRed</a>:</small><br><br>With B.G they bought more innovations - all of the way back to early Win 95.  Heck - they had to buy the OS to get Windows working at all.<br><br>The company has ALWAYS been about marketing - very little true innovation came from them.  I do not consider buying functionality and wrapping it in Windows to be any type of innovation - that is marketing.<br><br>Not to mention - it has always been about making money...<br> </div>I'm always interested in what people consider innovation in the world of computers/software perhaps some folks here could post some examples of innovation (by Microsoft or otherwise).<br><br>Certainly the GUI from Xerox, networking from ARPA, IC from Texas Instruments/Fairchild Semiconductor would qualify but what else?<br><br>Blake <br><small>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</a> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Link Logger posted : I remember them buying lots of companies, its what large companies do, especially large companies who have cash on hand.  Years ago I had a company that had lots of cash on hand and our shareholders certainly didn't want that money sitting around in the bank making interest (interest isn't need enough to keep shareholders happy, as they can do that on their own), so we went out and bought some companies (companies that we could increase their market share through our marketing, companies that we could use to expand our client base, companies that expanded our product feature set, companies that prevent our competitors from expanding their product feature set, etc).  Now Microsoft often buys companies just because they want the staff and not the product(s) as I mentioned before its the fastest way to acquire great employees.<br><br>I've been acquired a couple of times as well and each time it was a good deal as the company that acquired us had better marketing as we were tech startups so we had a great product and all the technical skills to create it, but we needed their marketing to get the product out there and be successful.<br><br>Sometimes when you start a company you have an exit strategy in place and often that involves being bought out by a bigger company like Microsoft.  I like starting companies and creating products, but I don't and can't run them forever as that takes a different mindset then what I have (I'm good for designing and building the ship, loading it up and getting it out of port and running the narrows etc, but once she is underway on the open seas, better get a different captain as I'm likely to keep playing with it till the point that I end up trying to sail the ship capsized as I'm an agent of change).<br><br>Blake<br><small>--<br>Vendor: Author of <A HREF="http://www.linklogger.com">Link Logger</a> which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ironwalker posted : So wait, will windows 8 be what windows 7 sp1 should be?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[CylonRed posted : With B.G they bought more innovations - all of the way back to early Win 95.  Heck - they had to buy the OS to get Windows working at all.<br><br>The company has ALWAYS been about marketing - very little true innovation came from them.  I do not consider buying functionality and wrapping it in Windows to be any type of innovation - that is marketing.<br><br>Not to mention - it has always been about making money...<br><small>--<br>Brian<br><br>"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank....  driven by Rosanne Barr..."  A. Bourdain</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Its a Secret posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/755055" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=755055');">OZO</a>:</small><br><br>Yep. It's more about money now then innovations...<br> </div>The devil does tend to short himself though, eventually.<br><small>--<br>"In the future, that which is not mandatory will be illegal"<br>"Nobody knows the age of the human race, but everybody agrees that it is old enough to know better" - Anonymous</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[OZO posted : Yep. It's more about money now then innovations...<br><small>--<br>Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself...</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Smokey Bear posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/755055" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=755055');">OZO</a>:</small><br><br>It's just a "feature" trading time...<br> </div>Isn't that exactly what the customer demand? Windows 7 e.g. show now already the tendency to become the best sold Windows forever...<br><small>--<br>Smokey's Security Forums &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.smokey-services.eu/forums/" >www.smokey-services.eu/forums/</A><br>Smokey's Security Weblog &raquo;<A HREF="http://smokeys.wordpress.com/" >smokeys.wordpress.com/</A><br><i>Official Jetico Inc. Support Forums &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.smokey-services.eu/" >www.smokey-services.eu/</A></i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[OZO posted : I'm sorry but I do not expect anything new from any "new" product developed by this company.<br><br>Since Bill Gates has left the company it is in a new epoch. It doesn't offer any innovation anymore, but rather it sells feature sets. When B.G. leaded company - I was excited with real new software development. But not now... <A HREF="http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/exec/steve/default.aspx">Steve Balmer</a> clearly has a <A HREF="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1274983729713522403#">different strategy</a>. <A HREF="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1274983729713522403#docid=6304687408656696643">While he was shouting "developers"</a> he really meant "marketers"...<br><br>What do I mean? Here is example. While Windows XP was innovative product and m$ actually offered the best technology available at that time to its customers, Windows Vista starts to add some "features", while at the same time removing others. It's offered to be more secure, but at the same time it's become harder to get to its configuration. It looks prettier, but it wastes a lot of computer recourses and therefore requires considerably more powerful hardware. Windows Explorer is inferior to WE in XP, etc. You can see this tendency even more in W7. See examples here <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_removed_from_Windows_Vista">List of features removed in Windows Vista</a> - and here - <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_removed_from_Windows_7">List of features removed in Windows 7</a>.<br><br>Look at IE7 (as one of the examples) and compare it to IE6. It finally had introduced a tab support, but at the same time convenient GUI customization was completely removed and replaced with a new GUI design containing a lot of bugs and obvious deviations from a common UI design. Office 2007 is yet another good example. They completely removed common interface and replaced it with the new inferior ribbon design (permanently taking more screen space by simply showing menu all the time, instead of dropping it down just for a time user needs to call it). To make this statement even bolder they do not offer you the common UI option and users have to buy a third party software to return convenient menu back. What will be next? I suspect in next version (or next to next one) they will return you convenient menu freeing useful space, but will remove another functionality to compensate it...<br><br>Bottom line, I don't expect a revolution, and I can't call it evolution either. It's just a "feature" trading time...<br><small>--<br>Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself...</small>]]></description>
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