Topic 'The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast...' in forum 'Shaw'

Topic 'The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast...' in forum 'Shaw' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23271843 en Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:32:53 EDT Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:32:53 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23347476
Yes, it's slightly more work than flipping on the TV, but I can watch on my schedule, I have the show for as long as I want it and can have virtually limitless storage for a lot less than a PVR + extender.

I can definitely see me giving up cable in the near future, and I would describe myself as a fairly average viewer. I think it's just a matter of time before many more people start watching TV this way.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23347476 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:41:48 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23345622 said by netwerk007:

You know what I'd love to see.

I have an appletv which currently delivers movies and tv shows on demand via pay per use basis. I would like the ability to subscribe to certain tv networks and watch shows over IP and cut out the need for a cable or sat company to be the middle man to provide the content. All you would need is internet connection. via Shaw/Telus or whoever.

All you will need is a pipe into your house. What you do with it after is your business.

I can honestly see this is where this fight will end up.
Apparently I do not read enough news

»dvice.com/archives/2009/11/30mon···unes.php]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23345622 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:25:54 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23345522
I have an appletv which currently delivers movies and tv shows on demand via pay per use basis. I would like the ability to subscribe to certain tv networks and watch shows over IP and cut out the need for a cable or sat company to be the middle man to provide the content. All you would need is internet connection. via Shaw/Telus or whoever.

All you will need is a pipe into your house. What you do with it after is your business.

I can honestly see this is where this fight will end up. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23345522 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:05:07 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23344092
»CTV & Canwest ask CRTC to order blocking of U.S. programs]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23344092 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 11:48:18 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23316757 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23316757 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:32:02 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23316552 said by Anon :

Jimbo .. one word really explains the difference between internet here and Korea/Sweden/Norway/Japan.

Geography

Little countries with close population centers.

Canada - Big country spread out population centers.

Do the math when it comes to placing fibre to support a population in a small geographical area compared to a population across a large geographical region.

Korea 50m - 328per km/2
Japan 127m - 337
Norway 5m - 12
Sweden 9m - 20
Canada 33m - 3.2
TELCO’S and cable companies do not pay the true value if anything for the land that there fibre is on .They also receive financial incentives by the way of subsidies for extending there reach with fibre to remote locations/ small markets. It cost money to make money if they want to extend there market they have to invest. The price of fibre is no where near what it used to be when it first started rolling out.

If they can earn 1.54B on 3.39B earnings I think that pretty much speaks for itself. Can you say gouge. There is making a profit and there is getting greedy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23316552 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:50:08 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23315816
Geography

Little countries with close population centers.

Canada - Big country spread out population centers.

Do the math when it comes to placing fibre to support a population in a small geographical area compared to a population across a large geographical region.

Korea 50m - 328per km/2
Japan 127m - 337
Norway 5m - 12
Sweden 9m - 20
Canada 33m - 3.2]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23315816 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:59:42 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23313494 said by AnonShawUser:

Oh, but it's completely fair that the employees should take a paycut! I mean, really, with such a large portion of them being in Calgary for example, where it could cost them 1000/month for rent, of course they should have to work 3 weeks solid just to afford a roof over their head!
I never said the employees should take a pay-cut, but you can’t blame all the rate increases (which are outpacing inflation) on the feud with the networks. I call it greed. As a consumer of your product I’m getting fed up with my bill increasing almost every time I get the dam thing.

If there were alternatives in my area trust me I’d be looking into them. This is I think a large part of the problem.

“Shaw income up 9% on record revenues”

»www.digitalhome.ca/2009/10/shaw-···evenues/

With the exception of Shaw’s study done by an entity paid for by the ISP’s we have one of the highest priced Internets for value.

I think it’s reasonable for people to complain.

What this Country needs is more competition desperately. This wouldn’t make Shaw ,Bell and Rogers happy but tough shit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23313494 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:09:49 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23311016
Here's the thing, they're doing some very irritating reshuffling within Shaw as it is, trying to create as much redundancy as possible, in order to minimize specialist teams and reduce costs.

But, don't go blaming Shaw for raising everyone's cable bills. If the local stations would stop throwing all their money into buying up US properties and investing in US stations, they'd be able to afford themselves locally just fine. Instead, the local stations should see it as any other cable station does: If you don't make enough money, you go under. Reinvent yourself as a station to generate new interest. It's a business, not a charity. If a business can't produce profit, it goes bankrupt.

And as it is, there simply isn't any real demand for enough Canadian content to require so many "local" stations. The only way the local stations can even meet THEIR quota of Canadian content, is by increasing the amount of news they broadcast.

If you have a problem with this outrageous tax being added to your cable bill, to support local stations that invest most of their money over the boarder, then take it up with the stations. Because a tax is exactly what this is, on everyone who decides they want to actually have cable television. Shaw and all the other cable companies, don't have a choice in providing the channels with such low viewership, nor do they have a choice in paying so much to provide them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23311016 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:09:10 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23309254 said by netwerk007:

No you need the huge bonuses. How else will we have cigar smoking fatcats
Yes how could I have forgotten?

The justification for excess compensation to the fat turds is supposedly so they could entice only the best and brightest. Given the current state of the economy under these so called elite individuals I’d have to say it’s not working. None of the so called geniuses seen the massive financial downfall coming or they were to busy stuffing there already overflowing pockets.

Any cost cutting measures should start at the top a leader leads by example. They could probably cut our bills by ten percent if the execs refused bonus compensation or at least reduced it to a reasonable level.

said by jimbojonesBC:

Well, let's see. Where would you rather live? Norway or Canada? I'd rather live in Norway, personally.

If your making life choices based on internet you really need to get out more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23309254 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:14:20 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23308979 said by jimbojonesBC:

said by netwerk007:

I really doubt people move to a country based on the type of internet.

Well, let's see. Where would you rather live? Norway or Canada? I'd rather live in Norway, personally.
Then what it stopping you from moving there? I'm sure all the money you will save on your internet bill will cover all other costs of moving and living. Let us know how you make out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23308979 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:51:19 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23307664 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23307664 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:28:26 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23307427 said by netwerk007:

I really doubt people move to a country based on the type of internet.
Well, let's see. Where would you rather live? Norway or Canada? I'd rather live in Norway, personally. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23307427 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:27:49 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23307414 said by Mustafa:

said by netwerk007:

.....

Perhaps their non-union employees should take a pay cut and pass those savings onto the consumer?

Maybe they should centralize their contact centres?

Have call centre people work for home even. That would work for people with families.

Just some ideas.

You forgot one. How about there execs refuse there extravagant bonuses!
No you need the huge bonuses. How else will we have cigar smoking fatcats]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23307414 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:24:33 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23307413
I really doubt people move to a country based on the type of internet. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23307413 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:23:31 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23307192
People aren't stupid. Shitty infrastructure means people don't move here, they move to other superior places.

Get your act together, shaw. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23307192 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:14:07 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23307038 said by netwerk007:

.....

Perhaps their non-union employees should take a pay cut and pass those savings onto the consumer?

Maybe they should centralize their contact centres?

Have call centre people work for home even. That would work for people with families.

Just some ideas.
You forgot one. How about there execs refuse there extravagant bonuses!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23307038 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:27:49 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23307018
Perhaps their non-union employees should take a pay cut and pass those savings onto the consumer?

Maybe they should centralize their contact centres?

Have call centre people work for home even. That would work for people with families.

Just some ideas.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23307018 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:22:13 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23305652
My point was that any company that is more concerned about making the customer happy, rather than watching its bottom line, will not be a company that investors want to invest in. Keeping the customer happy is important to be sure, but there is a certain point where you have to accept that not all customers can be satisfied 100% of the time, and that ultimately the company exists to make money, not (only) to make customers happy.

How is that different than what you said?

As to your point about innovation - innovation costs money. Shaw obviously already invests in R&D, so how much more should Shaw spend to save its customers a dollar or two per month? Again, you're right back to the whole discussion about ROI - return on investment. If Shaw spends $1 million to save $2 million, that's good. If they spend $1 million to save $500K, that's bad.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23305652 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:50:51 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23304669 said by ErikRP:

"However its shareholders will not be so happy and will stay away in droves, which will often mean the company goes bankrupt."

I hope you do not do any sort of investing in the stock-market. And I really doubt any corporation will ever help the customer in exchange for not making a profit . #1 priority is to make as much money as you can as cheaply as you can.....unfortunately

If they have to pay this perhaps Shaw could rely on Innovation and make things more efficient to help make up shortfall instead of raising peoples bills like they have been doing recently. It obviously that the tv customers are also subsiding the shaw phone service. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23304669 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:51:02 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23304632
Good job guys.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23304632 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:37:38 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23283605
So it's a balance as to how much of a cost to pass on to the consumer.

In this case though, it's not so much as an increase of the cost of doing business, this is a line item fee per customer that is easily identifiable and thus easily passed on to the consumer. And obviously there is more than a bit of politics involved. The cable companies have no interest in paying this money to networks, and by passing this fee off on consumers they get more support than they otherwise would have received if consumers weren't hit with the fee.

I resent that the fee ostensibly funds "local stations" but there is absolutely no accountability as to what that money will be used to fund. Why should I pay into a fund to let them produce community programming when at the same time those networks have no problem spending gobs of money to buy American programming? If House, Lost, Survivor, CSI, etc., are taking too much of their budget, then maybe it's time for those networks to review their business model. Maybe we don't need 4 or 5 Canadian networks.

On any given night I can spin the dial from Channels 2-12 and invariably it will land on a Canadian channel broadcasting an American show. And almost without exception at the same time I can find the exact same show on an American station.

And Canadian networks think I'll side with them about receiving extra money... why?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23283605 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:10:58 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23281338 said by ErikRP:

Exactly why should the Cable companies be forced to eat the cost that TV stations impose? If copper or fiber costs go up, are the cable companies supposed to eat that cost, too? Or is it only because the divine, anachronistic institution known as the CRTC decided to side with TV stations?

As a Shaw customer as much as I don't like paying it, I don't see why Shaw as a business should be forced to pay this cost without passing on the cost to customers.
Well, it's a balancing act. You could say that cable companies should eat the costs for all business expenses beyond their control, none of them, or some of them...

For example, the BC and Ontario governments assert that the HST will lower costs for businesses to provide services. Does this mean that those businesses will add a 'discount' line item on the bill when/if their costs go down? I doubt that will happen (at Shaw, or at any other company).

For a cable company like Shaw, the increase of the costs of fuel and energy must have made an impact in the last few years. Yet they wouldn't dare add a 'fuel surcharge' to cable bills as a line item.

It's somewhere in between - I don't know if cablecos should be expected to make less profit, and eat higher costs of doing business. The only reason they are making a stink is that they believe they can lobby a reversal in policy to strike the added fees. It's a political thing - they wouldn't do the same for any other increase in the cost of doing business (could you imagine them doing the same thing if Alberta increased their corporate tax rates by 2-3%?).

Gee whiz, I hope they find a compromise or something. Both sides are getting really irritating lately. How about having half or a quarter of the LPIF going to the cableco's community channels to make better community programming? Or maybe forced cooperation in small markets between cableco community TV and small market network stations...
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Also, the networks have refused to agree to using any potential TV tax for "local programming" even though they are saying this is what it is for. Basically they are just going to use it to purchase more US programming (which is why they are in this situation to begin with). It's not the cable companies' fault that the networks have mismanaged themselves.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23278760 Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:36:01 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23278558 »www.crtc.gc.ca/ENG/archive/2009/2009-411.pdf

41.
Due to the cost of implementing OTA DTV transmitters, the current economic climate, and high BDU penetration in most markets, most broadcasters have indicated that they do not intend to convert all analog OTA transmitters to digital. As a result, Canadians likely face a hybrid solution, whereby larger markets will continue to be served by digital OTA signals and smaller markets will receive conventional signals via BDUs. Communities that lose some or all of their conventional OTA choices will continue to be served by other means.

That means that if you're in a smaller community, the only way to get local tv will be over cable/satellite. The broadcaster won't have to build a transmitter, essentially leaving the cost of that to the satellite and cable companies. (they become the "transmitter"). The only way you'll be able to receive local channels in these markets is to subscribe to a cable/satellite service.

I wonder if they'll blame cable/satellite for that too?

I do find the "no license to broadcast" quote from the security guard amusing tho. :) Sounds like something the security staff came up with.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23278558 Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:03:01 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23278214 said by Cash Cow :

said by ErikRP:

but then Cash Cow felt the need to come here and do a little self-promotion on behalf of local stations in the first place.

1. I "self-promoted" nothing. I am not afill'd with anything posted here what-so-ever. By "self-promotion" I meant promotion for your cause. Even if you are not behind it, you obviously support it, given your "Cash Cow @ videotron.ca" nickname.

said by Cash Cow :

2. Is it only TV here that we are talking about? Could it be other services as well? Where does it say TV only? Maybe you can point it out in the video because I missed it.

Sorry - I don't know what you're talking about. Could you make a bit more sense please? If you're responding to something I wrote, please be specific as to what your point is. If you're arguing about something someone else wrote or did, do likewise.

said by Cash Cow :

3. Meanwhile, poor, poor, Shaw "has to" increase you costs again (poor them), even when the CRTC says they should be paying and not the customer (did you read the CRTC ruling?).

Exactly why should the Cable companies be forced to eat the cost that TV stations impose? If copper or fiber costs go up, are the cable companies supposed to eat that cost, too? Or is it only because the divine, anachronistic institution known as the CRTC decided to side with TV stations?

As a Shaw customer as much as I don't like paying it, I don't see why Shaw as a business should be forced to pay this cost without passing on the cost to customers.

What I see is the TV networks wanting money from the cable companies but not wanting to lose the PR war by having the money actually come from consumers. Networks want the money, but they don't want to be seen to be picking consumers' pockets, even though one way or another the money will be coming from consumers.

said by Cash Cow :

4. I'd like to see the Cash Cow show up at the door of every dominant supplier in Canada, since we are all being milked by the whole lot of them and not just by Shaw. But Shaw was the example here (poor , poor Shaw).

We have to have that video tape erased. No one must know! Plead poverty! heh... Got Milk?

And more promotion of your cause...

What I'd like to see is every local station moved to somewhere off their prime location on the dial. For all I care Shaw could stop carrying them entirely. If I need local news there is a little startup called the internet that is doing a great job at getting news to me when I want it, not just at 5, 6 and 11. Other than local news, local stations are 95% simulcasting American shows which I can easily get from the original American networks.

The remaining 5% of half-decent programming from all networks could - and should - be packaged and sold on a single station. That one station alone might be worth paying for. Otherwise, to use this inane "cow" metaphor, the networks must have mad cow disease to think that most Canadians support them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23278214 Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:58:32 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23275781 said by ErikRP:

but then Cash Cow felt the need to come here and do a little self-promotion on behalf of local stations in the first place.
1. I "self-promoted" nothing. I am not afill'd with anything posted here what-so-ever.

2. Is it only TV here that we are talking about? Could it be other services as well? Where does it say TV only? Maybe you can point it out in the video because I missed it.

3. Meanwhile, poor, poor, Shaw "has to" increase you costs again (poor them), even when the CRTC says they should be paying and not the customer (did you read the CRTC ruling?).

4. I'd like to see the Cash Cow show up at the door of every dominant supplier in Canada, since we are all being milked by the whole lot of them and not just by Shaw. But Shaw was the example here (poor , poor Shaw).

We have to have that video tape erased. No one must know! Plead poverty! heh... Got Milk?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23275781 Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:13:19 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23277076
They're whole business is buying 3rd party content, slapping their own commercials on it and reairing it. Why should we have to pay for that? Why should Shaw?

Of course shaw is going to raise the bill to compensate.. their a business aimed at making a profit. They're not going to let the CRC reduce that profit. I just don't think it should be mandatory to pay for those channels. The only thing that I find remotely useful is local news. Usually global local news. but nothing else they air is original content.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23277076 Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:14:12 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23276836 said by whatmustafa :

2. the television issue. the crtc madates that all carriers( cable/sat/telco ect) MUST CARRY cbc, ctv, global. they MUST ALSO carry said channels in "prime channel location". Now these channels want to be paid for this signal AND keep their must carry status and channel location. ( i could be wrong, but i believe this was a negoitaed deal way back when between crtc / broadcasters / distributors)
These broadcasters should be getting paid for their programming, and we as consumers should have the choice on whether or not we want them.
This is exactly how I feel!!! At least I'm not alone....I'm so happy*****sob]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23276836 Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:26:42 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23275676 said by ErikRP:

The local stations will soon find out that they aren't needed half as much as they think they are. I can easily go weeks without turning on local TV, so if it lowers my cable bill any to have the channels removed, move them off.

I think they already know that fact... And I think that is part of why they are trying pull what they are right now...

For me personally I go months at time with out even looking at the local channels... As to whether or not I would can them though if I had the option to remove from my package... That is another issue all together.... Most likely yes... With how easy you can get local information from the internet and on mobile devices...

The fact is I think a lot of old school companies are a bit scared right now... And it has a lot to do with some of what we are seeing... Shaw is one of them.... Look at the packages ie internet... They could offer a lot more bang for the buck but if they did that they might have customer cancel there TV service... Which what they are scared of.... This whole new media Vs old media has just got out of control...

Regards

Joshb
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R.I.P Mom We miss you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23275676 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:44:51 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23275372
The local stations will soon find out that they aren't needed half as much as they think they are. I can easily go weeks without turning on local TV, so if it lowers my cable bill any to have the channels removed, move them off.

And while we're at it - how about killing that abomination known as simulcasting. If I choose to watch an American station I should be entitled to watch the American commercials. There is nothing more I hate to be watching a show on a U.S. station, only to have the Canadian channel finally flip over a minute or two later and take me back or - worse - jump me ahead a minute or two. Likewise at the end of a show.

Drifting off topic I'll admit, but then Cash Cow felt the need to come here and do a little self-promotion on behalf of local stations in the first place.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23275372 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:13:53 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23274165 1. isp competition. only a complete moron would think that there is any kind of real competition in canada. we agree there.
2. the television issue. the crtc madates that all carriers( cable/sat/telco ect) MUST CARRY cbc, ctv, global. they MUST ALSO carry said channels in "prime channel location". Now these channels want to be paid for this signal AND keep their must carry status and channel location. ( i could be wrong, but i believe this was a negoitaed deal way back when between crtc / broadcasters / distributors)
These broadcasters should be getting paid for their programming, and we as consumers should have the choice on whether or not we want them.
The issue is not with the distributors but with the networks and the crtc, and we as consumers.
on a side note, the only local content from these channels is the news( aprox 3 hrs day, and maybe some local special max another 6 - 12 hrs / year ).
My advice to you, mr. mustafa is to make your voice heard to the crtc by writing, attending their public forums and whatever else can legally be done(just be sure to be clear to them, they ignore rants).
if you side with the broadcasters let them know via their website, cancel your tv subscription.
if you side with the distributors, buy their stock and collect dividens.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23274165 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:47:13 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23273906 said by tom25 :

I have had Shaw for the last 10 years, and just recently switched to their phone service as well and their prices are as good (if not better) than the competition and the service is miles better.
What competition? You can count the number of ISP's in this country with one hand (not resellers) and have fingers left over!

This is why we are sliding compared to other countries in speed and accesses to bb. The only people who disagree with this is analysts who get there paychecks from the ISP's.

I'm sure the Shaw fanboy's will all start to chime in now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23273906 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:26:00 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23272654 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23272654 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:59:23 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23272614
Poor, poor Shaw.

Explain this to the guy in the previous topic who just got his 3rd billing increase since the summer.

Poor, poor Shaw.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23272614 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:50:17 EDT Re: The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23272519 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23272519 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:19:32 EDT The Cash Cow shows up at Shaw. No license to broadcast... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23271843 www.p2pnet.net/story/30573

Video:
Shaw security stops the Shaw Cable Cash Cow from showing itself.

Shaw security sez:
"Shut that down. You guys aren’t licensed to broadcast here. We have to have that video tape erased!”

No license to broadcast?
Must have the video erased?

Umm, no.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/The-Cash-Cow-shows-up-at-Shaw-No-license-to-broadcast-23271843 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:00:00 EDT