accurate atomic/radio USA clock in Electronics

accurate atomic/radio USA clock in Electronics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23273344 en Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:42:19 EDT Wed, 10 Feb 2010 06:42:19 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23368285 anon :

said by Packeteers

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any cheap solution

Negative.... »www.ntp-time-server.com/

»www.ntp-time-server.com/time-ser···ver.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23368285 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:11:36 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23343808 kruser :

said by ArthurS

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If you look really hard, and have a deep enough wallet, you may find one of these gems:
»www.mikew.org/?p=139

You can find them occasionally on eBay, or at your local Hamfest.

I have the Heathkit GC-1000 clock. I bought and built it when they first released them.
Mine still works great to this day. I never did buy the RS-232 option but with today's networks I would no longer need it anyhow. I did have to replace the two calibration pots in the GC-1000. Mine would get dirty and then no sync. I finally replaced them both with 15 turn pots and that seems to have solved the problem.
I also power mine from an external 12 volt source as the internal power supply ran very hot so this alone may have extended the life of my clock. You can also kill a lot of the heat by sliding the display switch off but then why have the clock :D
Thanks for that link. I'd forgotten what the front panel looks like as mine fell off somehow and was subsequently smashed to pieces and I had to replace it with a piece of smoked plastic.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23343808 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:12:36 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23340998 Packeteers : Thanks for chiming in about D4.
I think I like it a bit better than SW
since when I boot; it will load, wait,
sync, then unload automatically.
This works best for me since I boot
my PC every morning before work.
(I'd rather not run it as a service)

BTW if anyone reading this thread
needs a way to display seconds on
their toolbar clock in Windows XP,
I've been using this for Months, and
it seems to behave itself thus far;

»www.drive-software.com/atomicalarmclock.html

I use the plain "Black-White" skin.
I just wish there was a way to stop
the :colons: from blinking...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23340998 Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:39:15 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23340080 SmokChsr : it works that's for sure.. Here's a little clip from the sync history.

2009-11-12 17:29:46.661 -8.350086e-002 ntp2.usno.navy.mil SNTP
2009-11-12 19:59:46.691 -4.763722e-002 ntp2.usno.navy.mil SNTP
2009-11-12 22:29:46.729 -5.428410e-002 ntp2.usno.navy.mil SNTP
2009-11-13 00:59:46.791 -4.697156e-002 ntp2.usno.navy.mil SNTP
2009-11-13 03:29:46.821 -6.259251e-002 ntp2.usno.navy.mil SNTP
2009-11-13 05:59:51.842 -5.637980e-002 ntp2.usno.navy.mil SNTP
2009-11-13 08:29:51.889 -6.160450e-002 ntp2.usno.navy.mil SNTP
2009-11-13 10:59:51.794 -1.726718e-001 ntp2.usno.navy.mil SNTP
2009-11-13 13:29:51.836 -5.099821e-002 ntp2.usno.navy.mil SNTP
2009-11-13 15:59:51.800 -1.135590e-001 ntp2.usno.navy.mil SNTP
2009-11-13 18:29:51.801 -6.049466e-002 ntp2.usno.navy.mil SNTP
2009-11-13 20:59:52.883 -4.253006e-002 ntp2.usno.navy.mil SNTP
2009-11-13 23:29:52.919 -4.172492e-002 ntp2.usno.navy.mil SNTP
2009-11-14 01:59:52.951 -4.517555e-002 ntp2.usno.navy.mil SNTP
2009-11-14 04:29:58.010 -4.964280e-002 ntp2.usno.navy.mil SNTP
2009-11-14 06:59:58.022 -4.969931e-002 ntp2.usno.navy.mil SNTP]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23340080 Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:28:44 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23340076 alphapointe : D4 is what I use on my WXPSP3 boxes. I love it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23340076 Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:26:40 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23340070 SmokChsr : Another Free method to keep your PC time on target is a program called Dimension 4.
»www.thinkman.com/dimension4/
I haven't put it on anything newer than 2K pro. But it will probably work. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23340070 Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:21:12 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23283567 cowboyro : NTP time servers for the PC. They will make your computer accurate within fractions of a second. The fact that "windows sycroniztion clocks and clock web sight scrips are off" is pure BS.
The Windows Time service can be set to sync many times per day and skew the clock to compensate for the inherent tolerance.
»support.microsoft.com/kb/223184
Use a list of preferred servers instead of time.windows.com
I suggest using a list of 5-6 servers from »tf.nist.gov/tf-cgi/servers.cgi and also pool.ntp.org (which also points to a list of servers)
Yes it works and it is *very accurate*. I deal with computers for a living... in a trading firm.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23283567 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:02:58 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23276935 cosmicvoid :

said by public

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Then again it may be possible to place an weatherproof antenna on the roof.

Yup, there are dome type models, made to mount on a mast. Like the kind you see sticking up above semi-truck cabs.

I conceed an inside room in a hi-rise building may be problematic without an outdoor sensor.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23276935 Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:10:41 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23276686 public :

said by cosmicvoid

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I use GPS to constantly correct my PC clock. Unlike the opinion public

gives, my OEM model Garmin 18x-LVC has no problems at all getting a reliable signal indoors.

Indoor means multistory commercial building. Single story residence YMMV.
Then again it may be possible to place an weatherproof antenna on the roof.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23276686 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:29:46 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23275472 tschmidt : What flavor of Windows do you use? Newer versions synchronize to NTP time servers.

I use Tardis on our LAN server and K9 to synchronize all the PC.
»www.kaska.demon.co.uk/tardis.htm accessing the US.pool.ntp.org pool.

This will be as accurate as round trip time typically a few tens of milliseconds.
»tf.nist.gov/service/its.htm

If you want to sync PC clock to WWV will need to use something like this:
»www.ntp-time-server.com/time-ser···ock.html
»www.atomictimeclock.com/radsynhome.htm

»tf.nist.gov/timefreq/stations/ra···ocks.htm

Of if you want to sync to GPS sats:
»www.atomictimeclock.com/starsync.php

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23275472 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:42:52 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23275143 cosmicvoid : I use GPS to constantly correct my PC clock. Unlike the opinion public

gives, my OEM model Garmin 18x-LVC has no problems at all getting a reliable signal indoors.

I wrote a custom piece of software to listen to the GPS NMEA output and monitor the PPS pulse output, and do system time set function calls when the deviation exceeds a selectable amount.

BTW, this app was written for a friend who uses it to ensure accurate time on the PC that does his astronomy telescope aiming. (This was an alternative to him spending $250 to $750 on the Starsync package.)

my custom app runs in system tray

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23275143 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:52:38 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23275099 public :

said by Packeteers

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NightVisor - you make a good point that the trading clock may be off a few seconds compared to atomic NIST clocks, possibly because the trading clock is linked to clocks tied to international markets worldwide.

Not likely. There are legal requirements for financial transaction services to be NIST traceable.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23275099 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:37:50 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23274965 public :

said by Packeteers

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are GPS devices like TomTom any better at getting INDOOR reception than NIST Radio reception clocks? my guess is since such tiny GPS are designed for outdoor use, that the clock may become unreliable if kept indoors (away from windows) all the time.

GPS will not work indoor with any reasonable antenna.
Example receiver
»www.spectracomcorp.com/Products/···ult.aspx
example local time server rack
check ebay for older spectracom and similar receivers.

example local time server rack

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23274965 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:59:56 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23274439 Packeteers : NightVisor - you make a good point that the trading clock may be off a few seconds compared to atomic NIST clocks, possibly because the trading clock is linked to clocks tied to international markets worldwide. SocketWatch has "Time Correction Settings" where I can add/subtract a few seconds between the NIST Server time it syncs to over the internet, and what time I display on my PC clock in order to best correlate to the clock my trading systems uses. My observations up till now - point to a ~15 second discrepancy between when the stock market opens/closes and NIST, and between NIST and the clocks I see used during regional TV news programs.

are GPS devices like TomTom any better at getting INDOOR reception than NIST Radio reception clocks? my guess is since such tiny GPS are designed for outdoor use, that the clock may become unreliable if kept indoors (away from windows) all the time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23274439 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:09:24 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23274388 NightVisor : Solutions I have personally used (and still use)

If you want to sync with the US Atomic clock...
Computer (can be configured to show seconds, free desktop clock programs showing seconds also available): NTP »support.ntp.org/bin/view/Servers···lServers
GPS Device (will show seconds if you go to status screen): TomTom One »www.tomtom.com/products/product.···=0&Lid=4 (time accurately set by GPS satellites)

However, since you daytrade...
Ask your broker (or trading contact), what service they use for time keeping. Then set your clock to what they use instead. As a daytrader, abiding by the clock your broker uses takes precedent over any other method.

(Edited to show seconds information.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23274388 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 11:52:17 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23274373 Packeteers : Please don't sidetrack this thread into "if PC clocks (alone) are accurate or symptomatic of problems", I already have my own long confirmed opinion on that...

Thanks for the Lacrosse or OregonSci clock idea - but reception is the major problem with them. Maybe if I could find an inexpensive second-display clock I could hook up to an external antenna or my roof RG6U cable, that would be helpful - if anyone knows of one besides that old Heath.

Again, thanks for the SocketWatch idea. when I started this thread I was not aware there were hundreds of public domain time servers out there. I thought there were only the two that came with windows, and if you got timed out from them, you were screwed. srr2 - thanks for letting me know you could get under windows hood and tweek those setting so the few servers you hit can be less likely to time you out.

The ultimate "test" will be Monday when my 100 issue stock streamer actually comes to life seconds after my now synced PC clock reads 09:30:01. My PC Latency is 10ms and my trades go thru within seconds using special Java software (not a browser), so getting every second right is really helpful. I plan on re-syncing hourly - more than that would be piggy.

Sorry for my frustrated attitude - I read a lot of intelligent people here only trying to be helpful.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23274373 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 11:48:46 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23274345 Selenia :

said by Jahntassa

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If your computer cannot keep time, to the second, for more than a day, you may want to replace it. It may have a problem with the internal RTC that is causing your issues.

said by Jahntassa

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Instead try to fix the issue you are having. You think your computer clock is not accurate enough. Therefore there may be something wrong with your computer.

Perhaps the systems you are trading with do not have the correct time. Contact your broker provider and find out what time source they use for their systems, and see if they provide NTP services. Socketwatch can be set to any provider if you do not like the default NTP pool.

Bullox. I've administrated several systems that came down with this issue and while your quote is a remote possibility, it is very highly unlikely. Not one of said systems losing sync had anything to do with the mobo or the time server(a bit more likely). The CMOS battery was to blame in all my cases. I've even had a couple arrive flat. Sorry if I debunked this post a bit strongly, but the OP should check the least expensive and most likely first.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23274345 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 11:40:01 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23274120 srr2 : This isn't rocket surgery.

First Google a current list of public NTP servers. Choose a few that are geographically close to you. Run a traceroute to them to find fewest hops and lowest ping time. You may have to make a tradeoff with hops and ping time if the route traverses some heavily loaded routers.

Now click on the "Internet Time" tab of the Windows time setting window. "Change Settings" button. Enter the server you picked. Click the Update Now button to prove that the server will update your PC's clock.

Start Regedit. Search for a value called "SpecialPollInterval". It's present in two places. Change them from the default 604800 (dec) to 1800 (dec). This will update your clock every half hour.

Done.

Do NOT go hitting public servers every minute or two. It's very bad manners and it's not necessary. Depending on the stability of the clock in your PC and whether there are any processes running that interfere with the timekeeping interrupt processes, even the 1800 second interval might be unnecessarily short. You can expect absolute errors under 100msec.

If you have several PCs on your local network, you might consider setting up one of them as a master time server and having the others poll it. That would keep the queries to the public server to a minimum. W32Time can do this. Google for instructions on how to set it up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23274120 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:30:50 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273579 SparkChaser : I tune my lap top to time.gov and the radio to wwv and they are together within a second.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273579 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 05:40:53 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273518 public :

said by Packeteers

:

any cheap solution YOU HAVE FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE WITH
GETTING PERFECT TIMEKEEPING would be greatly appreciated.

any solution suggestion MUST be able to display HH:MM:SS

Cheap is relative.
quality gps receiver error few ns
quality wwv or wwvb digital code receiver error few ms
ping multiple ntp servers error less than 100 ms
cheap digital display driven by stratum 2 quartz oscillator error few ms/year
cost of used equipment from $5

If you have reliable net connection write a script that pings stratum 2 ntp servers every few minutes to update your pc clock.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273518 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:04:08 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273492 nonymous : GPS seems to be very accurate as do my computers.
What is happening to your computers clock? Something about changing the clock?
You can synch the computers as many times as needed a day.
Thing is if you daytrade you are still going to have whatever latency and other junk you do to communicate to day trade if done by computer.
The problem may not be your clock?
Do you daytrade by computer or maybe by phone?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273492 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:27:19 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273442 Jahntassa :

said by Packeteers

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god... so forget cheap, how about least expensive.
so can you help me find something or not.

thanks for; »www.robomagic.com/swatch.htm

Arthur - I need Seconds display; $50 radio clocks rarely do.

I gave you least expensive. Your computer. I have four on my desk right now that are accurate to the second, and all display the second. What more do you want?

LaCrosse world clocks are capable of showing seconds: »www.lacrossetechnology.com/digital.php

But personally I have yet to be able to find a spot in my house where they reliably sync to the airborne atomic clock signal. They might show synced once or twice a week.

If your computer cannot keep time, to the second, for more than a day, you may want to replace it. It may have a problem with the internal RTC that is causing your issues.

If you want an external display that shows the real-time of your PC, look into a small LCD panel like the Pertelian. »www.pertelian.com/joomla/

I'm sure you've been on these forums long enough to know that people around here do NOT like getting attitude when they are trying to help. You have given very little information on what kind of device you want. (A clock that shows seconds, vague.)

Instead try to fix the issue you are having. You think your computer clock is not accurate enough. Therefore there may be something wrong with your computer.

Perhaps the systems you are trading with do not have the correct time. Contact your broker provider and find out what time source they use for their systems, and see if they provide NTP services. Socketwatch can be set to any provider if you do not like the default NTP pool.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273442 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 02:23:16 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273426 ArthurS : Here's something interesting...
»www.gpsclock.com/specs.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273426 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:58:25 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273420 Packeteers : god... so forget cheap, how about least expensive.
so can you help me find something or not.

thanks for; »www.robomagic.com/swatch.htm

Arthur - I need Seconds display; $50 radio clocks rarely do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273420 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:53:00 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273419 ArthurS :

said by Packeteers

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yeah, but it's impractical to look for the Heath,
if you find something more current and cheap
please provide a link - thanks.

If you're looking for something current and cheap, then go to Radio Shack and get one of their atomic radio clocks for $50. I have one that synchronizes to WWV once a day, and does reasonably well to keep time within a second. The next step up would be something like the Heath I mentioned, it is a very unique clock for it's accuracy and price, but alas, you can only find them used. Beyond that, you're into lab instruments that source time from WWV or GPS signals, and are rather costly. You get what you pay for!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273419 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:52:20 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273416 Jahntassa : Sorry, I severely doubt you're going to find what you're looking for.

Accurate and cheap are not two things that go together.

I'm not sure what problems you're having syncing your computers to NTP. I used to use a program called WinSock (from robomagic.com, I believe) that would let you sync to a variety of NTP servers almost constantly.

Beyond that, my systems sync every couple of hours, and i've never seen them actually go out of sync with realtime.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273416 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:50:01 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273409 Packeteers : yeah, but it's impractical to look for the Heath,
if you find something more current and cheap
please provide a link - thanks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273409 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:45:58 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273402 ArthurS : Um, the Heath GC-1000 does that to a 1/10th of a second!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273402 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:42:52 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273398 Packeteers : thanks guys for the short wave idea.

but there has to be an actual clock that
reliably gets their synchronizing broadcast
and displays time to the second. any idea?

if it helps, i do have access to
a new vhf/uhf/fm roof antenna.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273398 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:38:19 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273397 ArthurS : If you look really hard, and have a deep enough wallet, you may find one of these gems:
»www.mikew.org/?p=139

You can find them occasionally on eBay, or at your local Hamfest.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273397 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:37:21 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273390 ArthurS : »tf.nist.gov/stations/wwv.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273390 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:35:23 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273388 alphapointe : 2.500, 5.00, 10.00, 15.00 and 20.00MHz.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273388 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:35:03 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273377 Packeteers : where are these WWVB/WWV stations?

AM: 530 KHz - 1710 kHz
FM: 88 MHz - 108 MHz

SW1. 4.60 - 5.20 MHz
SW2: 5.75 - 6.40 MHz
SW3: 6.95 - 7.65 MHz
SW4: 9.30 - 9.90 MHz
SW5: 11.55 - 12.10 MHz
SW6: 13.55 - 13.85 MHz
SW7: 14.85 - 15.80 MHz
SW8: 17.40 - 18.05 MHz
SW9: 21.30 - 21.95 MHz]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273377 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:31:51 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273374 alphapointe : All commercial atomic clocks/watches sync with WWVB.

The only thing as accurate as WWV would be getting the time off a GPS receiver, as the satellites have atomic clocks on them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273374 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:31:03 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273366 Packeteers : OK, so is there a clock device that synchronizes to WWV
regularly, and displays the time including the SECONDS.

I'm in an urban jungle - I worry I may not be able to get
WWV broadcast signal reliably - how can I check this?

can you link me to the cheapest shortwave radio
I can buy that could tune into WWV reliably.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273366 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:27:10 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273363 ArthurS : Or get a shortwave radio, tune to WWV, and listen to the clock live.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273363 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:23:57 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273362 Packeteers : that's a script sight - the moment you change
your PC clock - the script goes off by seconds.

... NEXT]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273362 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:23:56 EDT Re: accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273361 alphapointe : »www.time.gov/

Accurate within 0.25 seconds per WWV on 5.000MHz]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273361 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:22:30 EDT accurate atomic/radio USA clock http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273344 Packeteers : I daytrade - so i need to know to the SECOND what time is it.
windows sycroniztion clocks and clock web sight scrips are off,
TV station clocks are off, even my celphone date clock is off.

this is the 21st century people;
where can i consistently get the correct time to the SECOND.
and why do so few major time sources agree with each other.

googling around i found a few USB antenna and PCI cards,
and hundreds of "atomic" clocks that claim to get the right
time, but most reviewers say they do not work consistently.

any cheap solution YOU HAVE FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE WITH
GETTING PERFECT TIMEKEEPING would be greatly appreciated.

any solution suggestion MUST be able to display HH:MM:SS
and please don't be a wise ass and post; my Dad's wrist watch.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23273344 Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:13:27 EDT