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Re: Doesn't address the fundamental problem Bandwidth is not finite, stop treating it as an exhaustible commodity because its not. Its infinite. Bandwidth should never be throttled, shaped or manipulated in any way.
If the ISPs have trouble handling it then they obviously are in the wrong business.
I really wish here in Canada and North America we had a structure like the Scandinavian countries, France, S. Korea and Japan. The infrastructure should be put into public trust (where it belongs) whereby the state provides a level playing field to ISPs to compete on. Create legislature where lobbying is punishable by law. Upgrade the entire country to fiber.
Then we will see if bandwidth is finite in face of competition... Money grubbing scum (current ISP's)..
Information is no longer a luxury, but rather a right in today's information saturated society. Therefore ISPs current archaic practices are outdated, adapt or be killed. |
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chimera
join:2009-06-09
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| Bandwidth is infinite like the work force is infinite. More are humans are always showing up, but there is still a finite number at any given point in time, and this is why we still all get paid despite there being 6 billion humans on the planet right now.
Back on the subject of broadband: high population density (as found in these countries) makes deploying broadband a lot easier and a lot cheaper, but both the US and Canada has large areas with low population density and this raises costs when attempting universal deployments. |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO | Chimera
While the population density argument has some validity in rural areas (ie most of SD,WY,ND, etc), it does not explain why many metro areas are still paying $65/month for 5Mbps down/512k up. There is not a significant difference in population density of many well handled (broadband) European cities and many US metropolitan areas. So in US metropolitan areas the differences in population density is really a wash. |
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chimera
join:2009-06-09
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| Lazlow, you are right about Metro areas which ought to have been setting up muni fiber for the last half a decade or more to stay ahead. I think it's a shame that this never happened and never will, but that's how the system works.
I was simply pointing out that a national policy like South Korea, Japan and Finland have can't really work for the US because of the issue of population density. Any attempt to have the federal government funnel money into denser urban areas areas (notably blue states) is normally met with a tremendous amount of resistance and never happens. This is one reason why our extremely expensive national broadband policy is focusing not on improving connections for a large number of people cheaply, but instead connecting areas that are extremely sparsely populated. |
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JimFPremium
join:2003-06-15
Allentown, PA | reply to denigtor
said by denigtor :
Bandwidth is not finite, stop treating it as an exhaustible commodity because its not. Its infinite. Bandwidth should never be throttled, shaped or manipulated in any way.
Anything is infinite for those who don't have to pay for it. Otherwise, I suggest you brush up on your economics. |
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said by denigtor :
Bandwidth is not finite, stop treating it as an exhaustible commodity because its not.
Oh? Then please, please tell me, O Omniscient One, how I find some of this infinite bandwidth. As an ISP, I am currently paying more than $100 per Mbps per month -- wholesale -- for mine. And my customers are currently exhausting it during prime time. |
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| said by SuperWISP:said by denigtor :
Bandwidth is not finite, stop treating it as an exhaustible commodity because its not.
Oh? Then please, please tell me, O Omniscient One, how I find some of this infinite bandwidth. As an ISP, I am currently paying more than $100 per Mbps per month -- wholesale -- for mine. And my customers are currently exhausting it during prime time. Sounds like you need to upgrade your backend if your users are exhausting what you've got. |
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| I think that someone needs to get off their backend and tell me how I can afford that without raising prices. |
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chimera
join:2009-06-09
Washington, DC | reply to SuperWISP
I'm not doubting your numbers, but where does all of that come from? Is that pure variable cost from linkups or does that include fixed costs and general maintenance and support? |
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