[HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? in HughesNet Satellite

[HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? in HughesNet Satellite http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23282664 en Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:24:06 EDT Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:24:06 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23391599 moag : another method, windows task scheduler

Task: Close FDM
Trigger: @7am Every Day
Action: Start a Program: C:\Windows\System32\taskkill.exe
Arguments: /f /im "FDM.exe"

or change FDM to whatever the process is titled in task manager, i dont use it so i dont know. you can open and close any program with this method, so just set it to download as soon as it opens and you are set.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23391599 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:15:44 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23391535 nedriv :

said by Tweakbl

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Yeah,Thanks for the reminder.I usually sit at my pc between the hours of 12am and 8am so its usually a moot point but sometimes I forget,usually getting the kids on the bus and forget I am downloading.

...

After re-reading my post, I don't think I was clear, that I schedule the FDM task --- to Stop all Downloads --- to run EVERYDAY, even if I am not downloading. That way I can always be assured that when I do download, the stop downloads task will run and save me from being FAPPED.
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Funny enough I have noticed a throttle or reduced speed lately at these hours and then at 7 am BANG! its faster which of coarse does me no favors when trying to monitor the Download and the stupid thing changes gears without you knowing.LOL
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said by Tweakbl

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When it rains it pours.

I hit FAP again....it was my own stupidity.

Had Free Download Manager running all night and forgot to click it to off when 7 am hit.

Tweak, I use FDM and had the same problem until I scheduled a "STOP all downloads" task to run EVERY morning at the end of the FapFree window. No more problems after that.

Go to the Scheduler tab, click the Blue "add task" button on the upper left, select "launch program" down arrow, select "stop all downloads", click the "Start time" tab, set the FapFree end time, and then select to run "Every 1 days".

That should do it for you. No more FAP due to forgetting to stop downloads.

Regards,
Ed
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HN7000 / 89 West / 1390 Mhz /Router 67.142.137.142]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23389495 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:44:20 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23378362 laserfan :

said by Tweakbl

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I hit FAP again....it was my own stupidity.

Had Free Download Manager running all night and forgot to click it to off when 7 am hit.

I have used FDM in the past, but I recently installed the new HN FAP tools and was surprised to find their DL manager is "modified FDM".

I would *assume* that Hughes' version of FDM would take care of this automatically i.e. stop downloads at 7amEST. Does anyone know this for a fact, from personal experience?
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I hit FAP again....it was my own stupidity.

Had Free Download Manager running all night and forgot to click it to off when 7 am hit.

Anyway I could not get to the token site this time.....it would not even load.However Yahoo and Hughesnets main sites would load.
I called in they cashed me another token and I was back in business.However I did tell him to make a note that they needed to fix the Token site because at times of FAP we cannot get the pages to load.
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»services.hughesnet.com/service_tools/tokens/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23376324 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:59:23 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23375598 yolarry :

said by davef139

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Well I just used my token as my office beta took me over, it was quite simple, but if the hughes site didn't have a billion kb's of crap to download to open the page it would be much better, I would think date to *hughes.net should be unlimited anyways.

I agree. Tech Support and all the faster it can get.
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said by moag

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that is what the cs guy told me on the phone at the beginning of this thread, but i havent seen anything since. where did you read that?

Ok let me make this clear...

»services.hughesnet.com/service_t···ndex.cfm

At the bottom of description... their was statement that real time is only going to be for HN9000 only. Well it looks like they remove that statement so its possible they going to do this to all modems.

It still show up on the FAQ that their be a new software and modem upgrade soon.
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Looks like DW6000, HN7000S and HN9000 is going to have real-time usage. I remember first reading it. it was going to be only for HN9000. YAY! that means I don't have to bitch and get another modem.
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quote:
then it's kind of defeating the purpose of having the FAP in the first place. . .

exactly. the fap is ridiculously low. they should reduce overall bandwidth during peak times to cope with volume and open it the rest of the time. we all know that we arent d/l much during peak times anyway.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23370204 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:10:45 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23369281 GEvans : I just wonder how much of why evening bandwidth has been SO terrible the past few weeks can be directly related to "tokens" being redeemed??

Let's face it, they have limited bandwidth available, and if people are allowed to take themselves off of FAP via the token system, then it's kind of defeating the purpose of having the FAP in the first place. . .

I understand that you can exceed the threshold by accident - I've done it a couple of times myself. But the "get out of jail" token I fear could be exploited unless there's a limit as to how often you can purchase and use a token during the month. . .

I don't mean to come across as a naysayer, I just want to be able to use the system like I once could, evening usage lately has been next to useless. . . ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23369281 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:58:00 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23358421 Just Rachel : Thanks Bill00. Your link worked. Dunno why I couldn't get there from the Hughes site. :hmm:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23358421 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:25:20 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23358374 Just Rachel : Thanks. I'll give it another try with IE rather than Firefox.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23358374 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:16:50 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23358360 Bill00 :

said by Just Rachel

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I had to use my token. :( Now I'd like to know what Fapped me, however, I can't access the usage page!!! Grrrrrr!

I just accessed my usage page using »customercare.myhughesnet.com/frm_usage.cfm and it was current through about an hour ago (8 AM EST)...

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said by Tweakbl

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You get one a month,for FREE.
They cost on a HN9000,$7.50 each for anything over the FREE one.

ProPlus they are $10.50

said by Tweakbl

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So apparently Copying it from the »192.168.0.1/stlui/user/index.html introduces some "extra" Characters and or spaces and thats why it will say invalid.

I have had this happen it usually is an extra space at the end.
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Back online less than a few secs. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23357743 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:54:54 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23357674 Tweakbl : Couple things on my mind....

First about some of the confusion about these tokens.

Consider it a "Get out of jail" card.

You get one a month,for FREE.
They cost on a HN9000,$7.50 each for anything over the FREE one.So if you FAP yourself twice in a month,once is FREE.The other costs you $$$.Unless of coarse you wait 24 hours.

All this does is RESET your account/bucket back to empty.
It does NOT make your bucket bigger for a while so you can have a 600 mb bucket rather then a 300 mb one.

These tokens do NOT carry over to the next month.
Example-I have not been FAPPED for 3 months,I do NOT have 3 FREE tokens.I have one (1).They do NOT stack.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

With that said,I just FAPPED out by accident.
I tried to use my token for this month,since I finally got invited to the "Beta" program.
For some reason when I COPIED and PASTED my SAN # it would say it was invalid.I COPIED and PASTED the SAN # straight from the »192.168.0.1/stlui/user/index.html from the ST Name area.

I tried HNSDSSXXXXXXX and DSSXXXXXXX....
Still would not take it,said it was not Valid.
So I called support,she suggested maybe for me to try TYPING it in there and see if that would work.
It Worked!
So apparently Copying it from the »192.168.0.1/stlui/user/index.html introduces some "extra" Characters and or spaces and thats why it will say invalid.

Edit-I like this system,I think it will work alot better then having people !!!!RAGE!!!! at Customer Service over being FAPPED and also it will make Hughes money,because lets face it,with out the money aspect of it,they would not be in business and or provide better goods and services.And yes there will be room for improvements as is very noticeable with the usage monitor.
However they are addressing these issues.
Look here at the bottom.....»services.hughesnet.com/service_t···s_Meter/

Quote-"Currently the Status Meter will show if you are “OK” or have “Exceeded” your download allowance (Green or Red). Early next year, Hughes will be rolling out a “smart” meter that will show your remaining download amount in real-time."

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said by Road Runner

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Are they going to call this "Fap and Trade"?

Nah i was thinking more along the lines of "FAP Unbound"

A unused token is a total waste of 358.27MB of bandwidth or more depending on plan that someone else could be using.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23357449 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:57:57 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23351223 moag : hahahaha]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23351223 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:49:14 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23351177 Road Runner :

said by FAPman

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I would buy tokens for 1 cent from hughes and 50 cent from "members".

Are they going to call this "Fap and Trade"?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23351177 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:40:57 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23346057 FAPman : "Your Download Allowance is not changed by purchasing a Token, and this fresh Download Allowance does not roll over into the next 24-hour period."

Wow what a play on words, this could really mean whatever they want. "Download Allowance does not roll over into the next 24-hour period" even though it is based on a rolling 24 hours (yeah right) which leads me to believe that it only restores a % of the bucket and it's not a 100% reset if you buy a token.

"The Restore Token is available for users who don’t want to wait for the speed restrictions to be lifted. There is no obligation to redeem or purchase a Restore Token." If you call in they will release the speed restrictions without using or purchasing tokens. Personally i love calling in, now that I know all the BS they try and pull.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23346057 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:11:09 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23345916 moag : From the tools FAQ:

Each service plan receives one complimentary Restore Token every month on the billing date. ... Your monthly complimentary token does not roll over to the following billing cycle if it is not used. ...

and my favorite, because i have no idea what the second part means:

Your Download Allowance is not changed by purchasing a Token, and this fresh Download Allowance does not roll over into the next 24-hour period.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23345916 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:37:50 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23345866 FAPman : "just as fast as if i called "Sam" in India"

Or Michelle, John , Robert and my favorite Cash Jennings

the FAP monitor link is supposed to go directly to the page at "unfapped speed". lol

Edit: its 30 days for the token i think]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23345866 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:23:43 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23345407 moag : i blew my connection on purpose to test the token system... few things

1. i was unable to reach the tools website at all. they might as well have added a flash intro to the site! i had to call my sister to reset it for me. this is unacceptable. this page should be capable of loading quickly when under a 2Kb/s punishment.

2. it reset immediately once she used my token, just as fast as if i called "Sam" in India.

3. the new 1/month token has not been deposited for this month. I used the token at the end of my billing period, so I should have gotten a new one :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23345407 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:36:54 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23342092 dbirdman : Firewalls will often allow pings and browsers to hit 192.168.0.1 without a problem, but block access to executables.

While most firewalls prompt for blocking, some firewalls block access from executables to all local addresses (e.g. 192.x.x.x) without popup queries, so it happens silently, and you have to dig into innards of the firewall to create an exception or remove the block.
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said by CharleyG

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My "meter" has a yellow face. It says "HughesNet Modem Not Found". Does anybody else see that too?

When I first installed the meter I had my firewall block all traffic from it to see what it was communicating with. When it first loads it looks for the modem at 192.168.0.1 on TCP port 80, then hits a hughesnet IP. It looked to me like it didn't hit the modem again after it first loads, which makes me think that the meter isn't a real-time thing yet.

Check your firewall. Can you ping 192.168.0.1?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23340659 Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:59:02 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23340198 CharleyG : My "meter" has a yellow face. It says "HughesNet Modem Not Found". Does anybody else see that too?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23340198 Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:24:15 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23317061 FAPman : Well if your running a network with multiple computers the program would have to be built into the modem otherwise it would just be for one computer, not accurate and useless.

Second they would have to release their proprietary info "recovery", showing that you can actually use more than the DTL within a rolling 24 hours. Just saying that more people would recognize the extra bandwidth with a real time meter and use it which is something they dont want.

With a real time meter with numbers, they would have to change their bandwidth policies to limit the DTL to exactly the DTL within a rolling 24 hours. Which would mean even less bandwidth for us and a total overhaul on the NOC just for a real time meter that follows their current policies. Not only those problems but comms from the noc to the modem count for the DTL so that would have to be figured in. The meter would need to have direct contact with the NOC using even more of the DTL. My whole point is that whatever way you look at it the meter will still not be 100% accurate, if they even release one.

I'm guessing that they will just get rid of recovery and put a stricter DTL within a 19 hour block in between free zones and just forget about this felonious rolling 24 hour business.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23317061 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:24:18 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23312986 george357 :

said by stimpy2 :

Well I think Green/Red - FAP/NO FAP indicator is useless, that same info as what is already available on the 192.168.0.1 status/system info page.

We ALL KNOW when we are FAP'd, no need for a program to tell us.

I agree with a lot of the users here about the fact that we need a real meter, not what it is now.

Hughesnet if you are reading this either make this into a real meter showing amount in MB left before FAP, or at least make it so that it turns yellow/orange when we get close to FAP such as 25-50-75 MB left to go (MOST IMPORTANT THING - IT MUST BE IN REAL TIME).

That would be a useful meter, what is posted now is useless to everyone!

+1

George
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We ALL KNOW when we are FAP'd, no need for a program to tell us.

I agree with a lot of the users here about the fact that we need a real meter, not what it is now.

Hughesnet if you are reading this either make this into a real meter showing amount in MB left before FAP, or at least make it so that it turns yellow/orange when we get close to FAP such as 25-50-75 MB left to go (MOST IMPORTANT THING - IT MUST BE IN REAL TIME).

That would be a useful meter, what is posted now is useless to everyone!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23312806 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:09:55 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23309288 george357 : Any one found anything about how long the "usage meter" will be in development before it is an actual meter?

George]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23309288 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 08:38:00 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23309276 laserfan :

said by tobicat

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You are making it too difficult and reading too much into it. You click the token and you are out of FAP and have another 375MB in your bucket. That simple.

That's what it reads like to me. These new wrinkles to the HN service look great to me, who is one of those subscribers that just hits FAP "once in a while", indeed once or twice a year, thus the one free token per month suits me just fine.

I understand there will be those (many?) subscribers who have to sweat every angle on this thing, to max-out their bytes-downloaded at all times, but to them I say :raspberries: :p
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Just click it and go. no errors]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23307684 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:32:39 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23307468 tobicat : You are making it too difficult and reading too much into it.

You click the token and you are out of FAP and have another 375MB in your bucket. That simple.
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said by tobicat

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" By redeeming a Restore Token, your Daily Allowance is immediately reset, returning you to full speed. Your Download Allowance is not changed by purchasing a Token, and this fresh Download Allowance does not roll over into the next 24-hour period. "

As I read it. Yes you would get your full allowance back. But you can't use a token to increase your allowance above what you are subscribed to. I must admit that is kinda confusing and they really ought to stop talking in terms of 24 hour FAP which simply does not exist. And it looks like the person that wrote that does not even understand the 24 hour period as explained by Hughes is supposed to be a rolling 24 hours.

In order to restore your allowance it would have to carry over or you would immediately go back into FAP.

Typical marketing people with out a clue.

There should be a thread started for anyone who has used any of these tokens. So we all can get a clue to what its all about. I'm still confused when I read their websites :(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23306156 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:14:51 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23305918 tobicat : " By redeeming a Restore Token, your Daily Allowance is immediately reset, returning you to full speed. Your Download Allowance is not changed by purchasing a Token, and this fresh Download Allowance does not roll over into the next 24-hour period. "

As I read it. Yes you would get your full allowance back. But you can't use a token to increase your allowance above what you are subscribed to. I must admit that is kinda confusing and they really ought to stop talking in terms of 24 hour FAP which simply does not exist. And it looks like the person that wrote that does not even understand the 24 hour period as explained by Hughes is supposed to be a rolling 24 hours.

In order to restore your allowance it would have to carry over or you would immediately go back into FAP.

Typical marketing people with out a clue.
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9000 spaceway III, 7000S SatMex 5 990, Dlink wirless]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23305918 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:10:15 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23305850 Cabarett : If you buy a token, well for me on the Pro Plan it would be $7.50. Would it unfap me and give me a full my 375MB again for another 24 hours?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23305850 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:55:12 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23305175 or270 : »services.hughesnet.com/service_t···faqs.cfm

"How many Restore Tokens can I use?
Currently, you may only purchase one Token at a time, which is used immediately. Thus, you may not purchase and “store” Restore Tokens. There is no limit to the number of Restore Tokens you may purchase each month. Your monthly complimentary token does not roll over to the following billing cycle if it is not used."

ProPlus Tokens are $10.50

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23305175 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:41:14 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23304949 anon : My page shows the tokens cost 5 bucks...I am just on the 200mb plan.

Also, kinda looks like the tonkens bank if we don't use them...hope so. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23304949 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:04:59 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23305000 moag :

said by tobicat

:

1. you are looking at BETA stuff.

looks like you are right, i just tried to log in to see if they deducted a token and all it said was "An error has occurred on this page. Please try again later." the flex_tokens page 404's too]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23305000 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:49:47 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23295825 tobicat : 1. you are looking at BETA stuff.

2. It is probably a case of the programmers and marketing guys just being plain stupid and not knowing the two systems have different thresholds.

3. I am betting you are still getting 375.
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9000 spaceway III, 7000S SatMex 5 990, Dlink wirless]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23295825 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:10:45 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23295482 Cabarett : Why are they saying now that the 7000 modems are getting 300MB? I thought we were getting 375MB.

I went into the token site and saw it was 300MB and and $7.50 if you want to buy a token. What are you really buying for $7.50? And why did our MB change?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23295482 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:17:45 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23294672 FAPman : lol larry i love the pic how it tries to separate downloads from actual normal usage so you can optimize that usage so it doesnt use your threshold. I just get vivid pictures in my head of a starship troopers ad of "Want to learn more?".]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23294672 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:43:35 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23294526 moag : regardless, the past few months have been the most pleasant in my hughesnet/direcway history. increased free time, semi reliable service, spoke with american support a few weeks back, reasonable fap-forgiveness. i havent even called att/comcast lately to find out if the costs of laying lines to my house had come down.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23294526 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:56:01 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23294486 yolarry : so let me guess it will alert me when I go zero MB?

Worthless peice of sh%*!

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23294486 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:37:54 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23293631 george357 : zvolts said, "Is it just me or does the icon look like a blindfolded, sad smiley face.."

That's what it looks like to me too! I have unchecked mine in msconfig until they get it updated to the "meter".

George
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Spaceway III HN 9000 Pro+ Plan 1.6 Mbps Down. Acer 5000 series laptop w/AMD 64 bit Turion 1.6ghz, 1gb Ram, 90gb HD. Windows XP SP3, Ubuntu 7.10 Dual OS. FireFox 3.5]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23293631 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:59:32 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23292039 zvolts : My Win 7 64-bit solution to install the usage monitoring tool was to install Air from the Adobe site then the HN monitoring tool would install fine. But then the thing wouldn't show up in the System tray even though the process was running; just no user interface. After a reboot it seems to be running just fine.

Is it just me or does the icon look like a blindfolded, sad smiley face..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23292039 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:20:52 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23291880 moag : well, maybe not... it shows that i have 1 free token available... i called support and had it reset that way yesterday... but i would rather not risk it]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23291880 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:51:49 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23291764 yolarry : you have to wait a month or pay $10.50 on your next bill.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23291764 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:33:52 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23291428 moag : rofl on my opening post, updating adobe FAP'd me

i am curious if the tokens are available... someone please post if you FAP yourself and use a token successfully... i would FAP myself, but i just called india yesterday to release fap, and i am scared

am i missing something, or is it RETARDED to put the these tokens and tools on a non-local site that will probably not load if subject to FAP? these tokens better get a spot on the control center next update... the hughes techs must have comcast at the NOC and dont think about this stuff]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23291428 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:37:39 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23291238 yolarry : mine work on 64-bit. (Win7)

you may need to update adobe air.

Edit: now I really want a HN9000]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23291238 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:09:51 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23290798 moag :

said by zvolts

:

Ok, thanks, Aframe. I'll have to play with it a bit.

on win7 x64 i had to copy all files to program files from program files (x86)...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23290798 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:53:27 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23289378 tobicat : I am sure they are using Adobe Air to keep you from reading the actual code.
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said by zvolts

:

Has anybody on Win 7 been able to install the status meter thingy successfully? It either locks of my browser tab or I get a download error.

I installed it on Win 7 without problems.
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HN9000/Spaceway III,74m/1w,Elite package,XP Pro,]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288674 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:41:21 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288673 zvolts :

said by or270

:

As you download at a high rate, your allowance will be depleted. During periods of low use, your remaining allowance will slowly recover."

Is this the first time Hughesnet has this stated how the FAP works, I think it is.

I think the bold part may be the first that they've recently acknowledged refill, at least as far as I know. If true, it could explain why we've had trouble nailing the recovery methodology down. If indeed it only recovers/refills during "periods of low use" whatever that means, we might have a situation where the refill rate isn't a constant.

So yeah, this is some good stuff.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288673 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:41:18 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288641 or270 : "Does the Fair Access Policy apply to uploads or downloads?
Currently, the Fair Access Policy applies only to downloads – that is, data that you receive from the Internet. Uploads, for example sending photos in an email, are not counted against your Download Allowance."

"How does the Restore Token affect my Download Allowance?
If you redeem a Restore Token, your Download Allowance and rolling 24-hour period will be immediately reset, and your download speed will be returned to normal. In other words, you get a clean slate right away."
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288641 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:21:27 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288621 or270 : Check out the Fair Access Policy link on the page-
»services.hughesnet.com/service_t···ndex.cfm

"What is a Download Allowance?
The Download Allowance is the amount of data (in bytes) which can be downloaded by a subscriber without restriction within a rolling 24 hour period. As you download at a high rate, your allowance will be depleted. During periods of low use, your remaining allowance will slowly recover."

"How does the Fair Access Policy work?
The policy is implemented automatically by monitoring your usage over a rolling 24-hour period. Each HughesNet service plan is assigned a Download Allowance – when your usage over the past 24 hours exceeds that allowance, you will enter the Recovery Zone, and your download speeds will be reduced. During the Recovery Zone, your Download Allowance is slowly replenished, and after approximately 24 hours, your download speed will be restored. If you continue to use your service to download in the Recovery Zone, it may take more than 24 hours for your Allowance to be replenished and your speed to return to normal."

Is this the first time Hughesnet has this stated how the FAP works, I think it is.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288621 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:13:50 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288593 Just Rachel : Thanks for this thread. Checking it all out now....

:)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288593 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:39:40 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288585 zvolts : Has anybody on Win 7 been able to install the status meter thingy successfully? It either locks up my browser tab or I get a download error.

"And, with an upcoming software update, HN9000 users will be able to see their remaining allowance in real-time, so you’ll always know exactly how much data you have left. "

This is encouraging.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288585 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 05:28:11 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288337 yolarry : well according to the e-mail the meter is still being work on. Lets all send feedback and tell them that WE WANT PERCENT!! NOT A COLOR CODE

»services.hughesnet.com/support.cfm
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HN7000S 5.6.1.35 - 99 West 1370 MHz -Transmit 1 watt - .74m Dish - Pro Plan - installed October 2007 - WRT54G V6 DD-WRT V24]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288337 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:44:40 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288123 dbirdman :

said by moag

:

yep, its official!

»services.hughesnet.com/service_tools/

I tried every zip code I could imagine they might have for me and it reported them all as invalid. I'm not sure that they will allow VAR customers in on this.
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Just a gas gauge? It should be the whole dash replaced with 2 lights one for gas other for speed ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288083 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:12:22 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288026 Tweakbl : It also seems to all be based on Adobe Air.....no thanks....I do not wanna download "extra" junk.

Make a stand alone program please.Quit being cheap and lazy.

Also add a METER to the mix,not a bunch of colored dots.

I want to see NUMBERS...Upload and Download Monitoring in REAL time.This should have been done BEFORE they started selling service.
Also the law should have enforced this with such a strict FAP threshold,there should be a law stating that they need to provide a monitoring device/app.

For those who think different,go buy a car without a Gas Gauge and drive cross country.You'll change your mind.
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Heavily Armed and Easily Provoked]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23288026 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:52:49 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287985 Tweakbl : As it stands this is all just in Beta testing from what I can see.

There are no "easy" links to any tools other then the normal crap.

So I would not get all excited over this as yet.
I am sure if they were available to general public it would be here.
»customercare.myhughesnet.com/cc_tools.cfm

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Heavily Armed and Easily Provoked]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287985 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:42:26 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287608 FAPman : That's awesome $10.50 for Fap release, next they are going to be selling throttle tokens for $17.50 for unthottled guaranteed speeds during peak times. I can only see this as a step backwards now that i look at it more.

Cant wait for them to try and add on 10.50 to my bill when i call in using my reference number.

Edit im working right now on a mod for usage using freemeter
»miechu.pl/freemeter/download.aspx ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287608 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:15:18 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287575 yolarry : Hey at least you don't have to chat with those annoying tech support anymore.

I think the techs finally getting sick of it]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287575 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:07:53 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287483 moag :
all the meter has is a green button and it says Within Service Download Threshold... worthless as a "meter"

download manager looks like a pretty straightforward dropbox queue... i cant do anything with the tokens yet ... hughesnet tools looks like the same useless app that has been available for years]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287483 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:49:02 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287450 yolarry : well I just confirm that SAN ID is only 300MB. so that means we all are on the same level HN7000S and HN9000 pro package.

Tokens will come in handy
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HN7000S 5.6.1.35 - 99 West 1370 MHz -Transmit 1 watt - .74m Dish - Pro Plan - installed October 2007 - WRT54G V6 DD-WRT V24]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287450 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:42:30 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287380 Tweakbl : It is about freaking time.

I have bitched about this for over a year.

I was not alone.

I feel better now,knowing that at least they are trying to full fill their obligations to their customers.

I will definitely look into this set of tools.

TY for the heads up.
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Heavily Armed and Easily Provoked]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287380 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:27:37 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287245 moag : enter san id (NOT site id), verify zip, claim free token. $10.50 for additional.

Wow.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287245 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:07:42 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287217 moag : yep, its official!

»services.hughesnet.com/service_tools/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287217 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:03:52 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287179 yolarry : I check the tools out. Their not that great but its a start...all I care for is Token (will come in handy) and a better official meter so we can all compare.

This new meter only color codes Green, Orange and Red from the webpage of 192.168.0.1 so whatever.
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HN7000S 5.6.1.35 - 99 West 1370 MHz -Transmit 1 watt - .74m Dish - Pro Plan - installed October 2007 - WRT54G V6 DD-WRT V24]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23287179 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:57:11 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23286927 moag : i prefer scheduled tasking my usenet client... i average 3.8gb/night each and every night.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23286927 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:04:31 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23286498 compuguybna : You can download "download managers" freely on the internet. I used FDM (Free Download Manager), I downloaded anything I wanted from 2a-7a. It never messed up, and always downloaded 100%. (as long as your download completes before 7am!)

They are acting like 2am-7am is a new thing....

said by tobicat

:

Believe what you want.

Don't hold your breath.

The FAP meter is not much use unless they change it. It is pretty much a red, yellow, green thing.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23286498 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:46:12 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23284327 yolarry : They should give us addtional tokens free on christmas, Holidays and etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23284327 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:18:01 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23284118 moag : how exciting! even if the indicator and manager dont work right, we have figured out our own ways to track that stuff... i would love to have the option to reset when i screw up, so long as i dont get charged automatically by the kb, like a cell plan.

seems like hughes finally started thinking about customer support and satisfaction. they must be taking a major hit from people switching to millenicom and other providers ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23284118 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:38:45 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23284023 Aframe :

said by zvolts

:

"... purchase additional Tokens if needed."

I think I like that idea. I wonder how much they'll charge per additional token. Now if we could sell our unused free monthly tokens to others.....

I just wonder what the complementary token will cost... as in no free lunch. :(
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HN9000/Spaceway III,74m/1w,Elite package,XP Pro,]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23284023 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:22:07 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23283984 FAPman : I would buy tokens for 1 cent from hughes and 50 cent from "members".

How hard would it really be to make a prog that does live monitor? Im sure i could put one together in a day or 2 and i only made it to lvl2 VB if i only had the numbers.

I really want to see the automatic download manager and what they consider a large file to be. 10 years ago i thought 300-700 MB on dialup was a large file, today it would be 10-25 GB]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23283984 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:14:57 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23283898 zvolts : "... purchase additional Tokens if needed."

I think I like that idea. I wonder how much they'll charge per additional token. Now if we could sell our unused free monthly tokens to others.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23283898 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:00:20 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23283789 tobicat : Believe what you want.

Don't hold your breath.

The FAP meter is not much use unless they change it. It is pretty much a red, yellow, green thing.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23283789 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:42:53 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23282905 zvolts : I heard a similar rumor not too long ago from someone that's in a pretty good position to know. Not about the self FAP reset (seems unlikely), but about a better usage tool.

There really isn't any technical reason why they couldn't make it real-time tool, so let's hope for the best. At the very least any HN tool should help us nail down the specifics about the bucket, refill, etc. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23282905 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 05:33:33 EDT Re: [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23282803 yolarry : according to this...

»customercare.myhughesnet.com/bet···ing.html

None!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23282803 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 03:27:30 EDT [HN7000S] new 'official' fap tool? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23282664 moag : i just got off the phone with "Martin" in India to reset my fap (^&*# adobe updater) and he told me that hughes was testing a new tool to track usage... he said it would be updated hourly (currently ~2 hrs on my 7000s) and give users the ability to reset fap without calling india and running through the whole "go to 192.160... blah blah" process. anyone out there know anything about this, or, even better, have a link ? i spent 20 minutes begging for more info, but he wouldnt give much up.

i hope it is true, this is the type of official tool that hughes should have had available, oh, say the day they started selling limited internet access. i know about hnfapmon and greasemonkey scripts, but "Martin" told me that this would be an official usage info tool. hopefully it is a bit more useful than the other official hughesnet "tools"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23282664 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:37:55 EDT