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<description><![CDATA[daveinpoway posted : The Netopia 3300-Series datasheet (&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.netopia.com/equipment/products/3000/3300_res_ds.pdf" >www.netopia.com/equipment/produc&middot;&middot;&middot;s_ds.pdf</A>) says that the 3346N can handle ADSL2+.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jdir posted : On my ADSL2+ modem<br><br>it shows that ANNEX A/B/L/M is available <br><br>when connect to ADSL - it just display ANNEX_M]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : We were trying to figure out whether the 3346n-002 was a ADSL2+ modem. It looked to me like it was as I posted a little earlier. Nobody seems to be able to prove it here though.<br><br>Would you happen to know?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[daveinpoway posted : I noticed on my line that a Netopia 3346N-002 (TI chip) will report a downstream SNR Margin that is about 7 dB higher than a SpeedStream 4100 B (also uses a TI chip) reports. On the other hand, a newer 3347-02 (Infenion chip) reports about the same downstream SNR Margin as the 4100 B. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : Netopia-3000/22893556> show dsl all<br><br>ADSL Line State:...........Up<br>ADSL Startup Attempts:..1<br>ADSL Modulation:..........DMT<br>Datapump Version:.........DSP 4.2.1.0, HAL 4.2.1.0<br><br>.............................Downstream  Upstream<br>.............................------------  ----------<br>SNR Margin:...................18.00.......17.00 dB<br>Line Attenuation:............30.50.......16.00 dB<br>Output Power:................13.85.......11.90 dB<br>Errored Seconds:...............0...........0<br>Loss of Signal:...................0...........0<br>Loss of Frame:...................0...........0<br>CRC Errors:........................4...........1<br>Data Rate:.......................6016........768<br><br>Netopia-3000/22893556>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:23:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[wayjac posted : Oh, well the netopia you have won't show stats in its cli interface<br>Would you mind posting the output of the show dsl all command]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : I went through every one of those telnet options and I see no loop length nor max rate numbers. I could not find anything more on the web than what I posted earlier either.<br><br>Al I know is the SNR stats look a lot better than the speedstream 4100 I was using earlier. THis is not proof of the Netopia being a adsl2 modem though.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[wayjac posted : I use xp and couldn't understand no telnet :o<br>I didn't know vista had telnet disabled]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[wayjac posted : show all-info<br>should give you all the line stats<br><br>I don't see a command that looks like it would show the modulations the modem supports, and I don't want you to misconfigure something by mistake, given some time you may get more familiar with the cli<br><br>but if a maxsync rate is displayed and it's above 8128kbps that's proof that the modem supports adsl2/adsl2+]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : A google search says: If you are using Windows XP the telnet command is available by default. But if you use Windows Vista the telnet command is disabled by default.<br><br>Anyway, I followed a procedure to enable telnet on my system and I have logged in. Here are a list of commands: <br><br>arp......................to send ARP request<br>atmping................to send ATM OAM loopback<br>clear....................to erase all stored configuration information<br>clear_log...............to clear stored log data<br>configure...............to configure unit's options<br>diagnose................to run self-test<br>download...............to download config file<br>exit.......................to quit this shell<br>help......................to get more: "help all" or "help help"<br>install.....................to download and program an image into flash<br>license....................to enter an upgrade key to add a feature<br>log.........................to add a message to the diagnostic log<br>loglevel...................to report or change diagnostic log level<br>netstat...................to show IP information<br>nslookup..................to send DNS query for host<br>ping........................to send ICMP Echo request<br>quit.........................to quit this shell<br>reset.......................to reset subsystems<br>restart.....................to restart unit<br>show........................to show system information<br>start.........................to start subsystem<br>status.......................to show basic status of unit<br>telnet........................to telnet to a remote host<br>traceroute..................to send traceroute probes<br>upload........................to upload config file<br>view..........................to view configuration summary<br>who............................to show who is using the shell<br>hotspot.......................to set or show hotspot authentication info<br>clear_certificate............to clear stored SSL certificate<br>?.................................to get help: "help all" or "help help"<br><br>Netopia-3000/22893556><b>help show</b><br><br>Netopia-3000/22893556> help show<br>Use "show" to show system information.<br>Follow it with:<br>all-info.......................to display all system information at once<br>atm...........................to display ATM information (detail with "all")<br>bridge                        followed by:<br>....interfaces...............to display bridge interfaces (detail with "all")<br>....table......................to display bridge table<br>config.........................to display current configuration<br>crash..........................to display current crash-dump information<br>dsl..............................to display DSL statistics<br>diffserv........................to print out the diffserv stats<br>dhcp............................followed by:<br>....server......................followed by:<br>........leases..................to display DHCP server lease table  *<br>........store....................to display DHCP server non-volatile storage<br>....agent.......................to display DHCP relay-agent leases<br>....client........................to display DHCP client leases<br>enet.............................to display ethernet statistics (detail with "all")<br>features.........................to display available features<br>group-mgmt....................to display IGMP Snooping Group Addresses<br>ip..................................followed by:<br>....interfaces...................to display IP interfaces<br>....routes........................to display IP route tables<br>....arp............................to display IP ARP cache<br>....igmp...........................to display IGMP Group Addresses<br>....ipsec..........................to display IPSec Tunnel statistics<br>....firewall........................to display Firewall statistics<br>....state-insp....................to display Stateful inspection statistics<br>....lan-discovery................to display LAN Discovery table<br>log..................................to display next segment of the log (or "all")<br>memory............................to display memory usage (detail with "all")<br>ppp..................................to display PPP information  *<br>pppoe...............................to display PPPoE information  *<br>security-log.......................to display security log<br>status...............................to show basic status of unit<br>summary............................to show summary of current configuration<br>wan-users..........................to show WAN users (detail with "all")<br><br> * More complete help is available for these commands.<br><br>Netopia-3000/22893556>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[wayjac posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1117319" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1117319');">ejg1</a>:</small><br><br>I did a search on telnet from the C: drive. Nothing pops up... Should it?<br> </div>I don't know what to say<br>If I search for telnet I get this<br>[att=1,l]<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23356045?c=1490624&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzI4NDQzOS54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="10139 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=241 HEIGHT=70 SRC="/r0/download/1490624~34b310c2ec35f7ccf0634024864bd5d2/telnet.jpg"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[wayjac posted : You should be able to open a command prompt window<br><A HREF="/r0/download/912685~c36b38f253a846d0940c46107ac61756/prompt.jpg"><b>command prompt window example</b></a><br><br>and type telnet 192.168.1.254 then login and use the command show dsl if that's not it type help and you'll get a list of commands]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : I did a search on telnet from the C: drive. Nothing pops up... Should it?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[wayjac posted : That's odd windows and mac have a builtin telnet client]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[d_l posted : It should be #1 now unless you have problems with your drop line or nearby out on the cable bundle.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : I never watched to see if the Hybrid number changed from 2 to possibly 1 after running off of the homerun line. Next time I slap the 4100 on I will give it a look.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : I looked for loop length and max rate in the HTTP log dump interface. I dont see any references to these anywhere. <br><br>I dont know how to use the telnet interface. From the cmd window TELNET  gives me a "telnet is not recognized" response. I am willing to be coached though.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[d_l posted : I think it also shows something that is equivalent to no bridged tap present vs. a bridged tap present.  Translated to what the 4100 shows, that would comparable to hybrid #1 vs. hybrid # 2, 3, or 4.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[wayjac posted : Do you know if your netopia will show a estimated loop length and max rate in the telnet interface<br>Telnet should show all the modulations the modem supports]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[d_l posted : The DSL sync performance differences between the 4100 and the Netopia are probably similar to those between the 4100 and 4100b: &raquo;<A HREF="/forum/r19988831-What-are-the-differences-between-the-4100-and-the-4100b">What are the differences between the 4100 and the 4100b?</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : <b>The modem says:</b><br>Netopia Model 3346N-VGx DSL Ethernet Managed Switch<br>Running Netopia SOC OS version 7.5.1 (build r10)<br>Multimode ADSL Capable<br>(admin completed login: Full Read/Write access)<br>Serial number 22893556, CPU MIPS4KEC, Product ID 1217<br><br>So yes... this is a ADSL2+<br><br><b>Cut and past from a different thread:</b><br><i>Router has two main chips:<br>Kendin KS8995XA Ethernet switch<br>TI TNETD7300AGDW Controller<br>Two other chips are RAM and Flash</i><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/23349226?c=1490270&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IyMzI4NDQzOS54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="51256 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=271 HEIGHT=99 SRC="/r0/download/1490270~04dcd5c5ad9d6b56338d6b3da5775abe/3346N.JPG"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[d_l posted : Is the Netopia ADSL2+ compliant?  If it is, then the noise margin on such a modem is reported differently than an ADSL-only modem such as the 4100 and the method used always reports a higher noise margin which isn't necessarily indicative of stronger signal (the ADSL2+ modem's are "grading on a curve").  The ADSL2+ modems also will report a lower attenuation due to a more restricted calculation method.<br><br>Also does the Netopia use a TI AR7 chipset?  That is the best available modem chipset for most line conditions.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : Well this is interesting...<br><br>I have two different modems that I can compare line stats from. <br>One is the Speedstream 4100, the other the Netopia 3346n-002. The statistics are vastly different from each other. Is it fair to say the Netopia would be better for me to use in my situation? I dont see why not...<br><br>----Speadstream 4100<br>.....................................To Modem........... To Internet<br>Max Allowed Speed (kbps).......6016..............768<br>SN Margin (dB).....................  14.0 or 11.0......-<br>Line Attenuation (dB)..............33.5.................-<br>Loss of Signal...........................0..................-<br>Loss of Frame...........................0..................0<br>CRC Errors................................5..................2<br><br>----Netopia 3346n-002<br>........................Downstream   Upstream<br>........................------------  ----------<br>SNR Margin:...................19.00.......17.00 dB<br>Line Attenuation:............30.50.......16.00 dB<br>Output Power:................12.50.......11.90 dB<br>Errored Seconds:..................0........0<br>Loss of Signal:......................0.......0<br>Loss of Frame:......................0........0<br>CRC Errors:..........................0........1<br>Data Rate:.......................6016.........768]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[wayjac posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1117319" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1117319');">ejg1</a>:</small><br><br>Can you tell me what needs to be watched?<br> </div>Your stats are decent I think you would want them to stay as they are:<br>SN Margin in double digits<br>Attenuation will not vary much from what it is<br><br>Here are my stats<br>..................................to modem....to internet<br>Max Rate (kbps).................9000........1100<br>Max Allowed Speed (kbps)....6016..........768<br>SN Margin (dB)...................17.0..........18.0<br>Line Attenuation (dB)..........31.3...........17.5<br><br>I'll let someone else talk about what the stats mean]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : I have seen others post line stats but I really dont know what is important. I would like to learn about this.<br><br>A faq I just found for the reader is here: &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/bellsouth">AT&T Southeast  Forum FAQ</A> &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/7036">How do I access the Westell line stats and logs?  What do the numbers mean?</A><br><br>and these are the stats I think you are referring to. <br><br>...................................To Modem&#9;To Internet<br>Max Allowed Speed (kbps)....6016.......768<br>SN Margin (dB)...................14.0........-<br>Line Attenuation (dB)..........33.5........-<br>Loss of Signal.........................0........-<br>Loss of Frame.........................0.......0<br>CRC Errors.............................5........2<br><br>Thanks,<br>ejg1]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[wayjac posted : Ok, the home run goes to the splitter only<br><br>Nice job :D<br><br>Would you post your dsl line stats]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : I wanted to use the same CAT6E from the 1) nid to the splitter as I used running out from the 2) splitter HR line to the terminal jack.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[wayjac posted : The unused test jacks are ok to be left as they are  connected or disconnected<br><br>Why did you run two cables to the filter/splitter]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : Thanks d_l,<br><br>This is something ugly to think about&#133; but whenever an antenna is involved which either does or doesn&#146;t do a good job at absorbing RFI, the phenomena can be controlled to a high degree depending on controlling length of that antenna. <br><br>That is, the length of wire can be tuned (shortened or lengthened) to non-resonance lengths to remove these influences. For this problem, if the length of the wire is a multiple of the frequency-at-question-wavelength, the wire length nulls out the resonance properties. I have not sat down with a calculator to figure what the implications are across the whole frequency bandwidth. This means I did not think about applying this concept when I ran my HR line some days ago.  Maybe if I every have issues down the line I will think about it.<br><br>In the mean time, maybe someone else less lazy than I can run the lambda numbers.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[d_l posted : So only a slight improvement with the ground wire connected in your situation.  Most of the improvement is in the upload maxrate too. OK, that is good info. Thanks!<br><br>Maybe your plasma TV is responsible for the sorta harmonic interference (it probably is harmonic, but it isn't as clear cut as some of the other examples we've seen) in the charts that you previously posted.<br><br>Well, we have another interference source culprit to ask about on the next problem thread that reports interference. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : Yes, the plasma was the loudest source by far... not even close.<br><br>Here is a pic how I did the ground wire. I ran the CAT ground into the peanut and tied it to two wires I twisted together to have more copper to work with. Then I ran that into the ground block. The same block has the fatter black copper wire I used to tie to the telco's nid ground. In this pic you can see how I pulled the wire off to do this comparison test.<br><br>After this pic are the ground comparison tests.<br><br><IMG SRC="http://jiliz.fileave.com/IMG_3589.JPG"><br><br><b>With groundwire attached:</b><br><IMG SRC="http://jiliz.fileave.com/withground.png"><br>Downstream Current Rate (Reported): 6016<br>Downstream Maxrate (Estimated):&#9;8572<br>Downstream Bit Margin (Calculated): 476<br>&#9;    &#9;<br>Upstream Current Rate (Reported): 768<br>Upstream Maxrate (Estimated):&#9;1136<br>Upstream Bit Margin (Reported):&#9;96<br><br>Bit tones with notches/missing bits:<br><br>bit(s) 38:43   &#9;&#9;163.875   - 189.75    KHz<br>bit(s) 130     &#9;&#9;560.625   - 564.9375  KHz<br>bit(s) 155:161 &#9;&#9;668.4375  - 698.625   KHz<br>bit(s) 186:189 &#9;&#9;802.125   - 819.375   KHz<br>bit(s) 198:201 &#9;&#9;853.875   - 871.125   KHz<br>bit(s) 211     &#9;&#9;909.9375  - 914.25    KHz<br>bit(s) 222:223 &#9;&#9;957.375   - 966       KHz<br>bit(s) 234:235 &#9;&#9;1009.125  - 1017.75   KHz<br>bit(s) 241:247 &#9;&#9;1039.3125 - 1069.5    KHz<br>bit(s) 255     &#9;&#9;1099.6875 - 1104      KHz<br><br><b>Without groundwire attached:</b><br><IMG SRC="http://jiliz.fileave.com/withoutground.png"><br>Downstream Current Rate (Reported): 6016<br>Downstream Maxrate (Estimated):&#9;8512<br>Downstream Bit Margin (Calculated): 476<br>&#9;    &#9;<br>Upstream Current Rate (Reported): 768<br>Upstream Maxrate (Estimated):&#9;1044<br>Upstream Bit Margin (Reported):&#9;96<br><br>Bit tones with notches/missing bits:<br><br>bit(s) 38:41   &#9;&#9;163.875   - 181.125   KHz<br>bit(s) 113     &#9;&#9;487.3125  - 491.625   KHz<br>bit(s) 130     &#9;&#9;560.625   - 564.9375  KHz<br>bit(s) 156:160 &#9;&#9;672.75    - 694.3125  KHz<br>bit(s) 172     &#9;&#9;741.75    - 746.0625  KHz<br>bit(s) 186:189 &#9;&#9;802.125   - 819.375   KHz<br>bit(s) 198:201 &#9;&#9;853.875   - 871.125   KHz<br>bit(s) 211     &#9;&#9;909.9375  - 914.25    KHz<br>bit(s) 222:223 &#9;&#9;957.375   - 966       KHz<br>bit(s) 225:226 &#9;&#9;970.3125  - 978.9375  KHz<br>bit(s) 234:235 &#9;&#9;1009.125  - 1017.75   KHz<br>bit(s) 240:247 &#9;&#9;1035      - 1069.5    KHz<br>bit(s) 255     &#9;&#9;1099.6875 - 1104      KHz]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[d_l posted : They are not connected in any way to your POTS line (lack of dial tone), so they would have no effect on the DSL signal]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : I plugged my phone into every one of those test jacks. Only the top one has a dial tone.<br><br>Is it ok if I keep the unused jacks unplugged? Can they act as antennas for RFI?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : If the other test jacks are hooked up ahead of the splitter they should be removed . If there is no dialtone they are OK and can be left alone.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[wayjac posted : Only one of the test jacks has inside wiring connected to it<br>I seen more than a few nid's that are fully populated with test jacks and surge protectors<br><br>I doubt that the att cable from the "street" has more than 2 wire pairs connected]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : You should only have one test jack per line. If you have more they act as antennas for RFI.  Is there any dial tone on the other binding posts as seen in the picture?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[d_l posted : My money would be on the plasma TV as the worst culprit.<br><br>Yeah, prospecting for RFI with a portable AM radio is always fun.  ;)  We have suggested it to quite a few people with problems and some have blown off the idea. Their loss.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/733611" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=733611');">d_l</a>:</small><br><br>Was that final test with the shielding grounded or ungrounded? </div>I did not try to see if there was a difference by undoing the ground wire. I will do the test and post the results here. It should not take that long.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : It was a combination of RFI sources and I verified all of them. <br><br>In the center of the garage there are three items all within 3ft of each other and I did not want to put time into distinguishing whether just one or all were contributors. The transistor radio test confirmed the emissions. I believe the the phone cable routing passes fairly close to the items after exiting the nid. Next time I climb up there I will make it a point to look. <br><br>The Garage items were:<br>1) the garage door opener, <br>2) the garage butler (Device that closes the garage door after a set time in case you have forgot) <br>3) florescent lighting for the garage. <br><br>Then in the house there are two <b>HUGE</b> RFI emitter sources. I isolated them to be:<br><br>1) Panasonic DMR-E20 DVD recorder<br>2) My brand new Panasonic 54in Vieta Plasma TV. <br><br>I sat there for an hour plugging things in and out to figure out where the issues were. <br><br>The transistor radio link you provided earlier really helped. Hopefully others don't read that link and intermediately blow it off because it does sound kind of hokey. But then you soon learn it works pretty good !!! You just rotate the radio around like a globe and if there is no static you are good to go. If you get static, move around until it gets louder and it will lead you to the source.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[d_l posted : Was that final test with the shielding grounded or ungrounded?<br><br>What do you think is the source device(s) of all your previous interference?  Any guesses?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : Well&#133; mission accomplished ! Everything operates as expected. Stick a fork in this. Here is what I did.<br><br><b>SETUP</b>&#9;<br>The picture below shows the HR line fed directly from the nid into the garage. Remember I bought 250ft of CAT6E STP cable and I kept it all intact to validate everything was working right. After passing through 250ft of coiled cable, I terminated the other end with the RJ11 jack plate. It is hard to make out the jack plate in the photo because it is overexposed. From the jack into the Speedstream 4100 and then into the laptop. <br><br><IMG SRC="http://jiliz.fileave.com/Gsetup_IMG_3576.JPG"><br><br><b>BASELINE TEST:</b><br>1) Circuit breakers to the house turned off except for the garage breaker to power the modem and computer. This was done to eliminate all possible sources of RFI.<br><br>Speakeasy tests showed 5138/644 , 5139/643 and 5140/642. Modem synch details:<br><IMG SRC="http://jiliz.fileave.com/techreadout_pwoff_250ft.png"><br><br>Downstream Current Rate (Reported):  6016<br>Downstream Maxrate (Estimated):&#9;8540<br>Downstream Bit Margin (Calculated):  476<br>&#9;    &#9;<br>Upstream Current Rate (Reported):&#9;768<br>Upstream Maxrate (Estimated):&#9;1074<br>Upstream Bit Margin (Reported):&#9;96<br><br>Bit tones with notches/missing bits:<br><br>bit(s) 38:41   &#9;&#9;163.875   - 181.125   KHz<br>bit(s) 125     &#9;&#9;539.0625  - 543.375   KHz<br>bit(s) 130     &#9;&#9;560.625   - 564.9375  KHz<br>bit(s) 141:142 &#9;&#9;608.0625  - 616.6875  KHz<br>bit(s) 154:162 &#9;&#9;664.125   - 702.9375  KHz<br>bit(s) 172     &#9;&#9;741.75    - 746.0625  KHz<br>bit(s) 186:191 &#9;&#9;802.125   - 828       KHz<br>bit(s) 196:201 &#9;&#9;845.25    - 871.125   KHz<br>bit(s) 211     &#9;&#9;909.9375  - 914.25    KHz<br>bit(s) 215:223 &#9;&#9;927.1875  - 966       KHz<br>bit(s) 234     &#9;&#9;1009.125  - 1013.4375 KHz<br>bit(s) 242:247 &#9;&#9;1043.625  - 1069.5    KHz<br>bit(s) 255     &#9;&#9;1099.6875 - 1104      KHz<br><br><b>FINAL TEST</b><br>2) Many tests were done in between this final test to make sure everything was stable. In summary, the HR line was rolled out to the final location and cut. Only about 20 feet of CAT6E was needed . The other 230 feet was laid to rest in the corner. The line was fed into the house, wired up at the outlet and everything buttoned up. I also want to mention everything in the house got turned on to create as much RFI as possible. Here are the test results:<br><br>Speakeasy tests showed 5138/646, 5138/649, and 5140/650. Modem sync details:<br><IMG SRC="http://jiliz.fileave.com/techreadout_final.png"><br><br>Downstream Current Rate (Reported):  6016<br>Downstream Maxrate (Estimated):&#9;8508<br>Downstream Bit Margin (Calculated):  476<br>&#9;    &#9;<br>Upstream Current Rate (Reported):&#9;768<br>Upstream Maxrate (Estimated):&#9;1136<br>Upstream Bit Margin (Reported):&#9;96<br><br>Bit tones with notches/missing bits:<br><br>bit(s) 38:42   &#9;&#9;163.875   - 185.4375  KHz<br>bit(s) 111:117 &#9;&#9;478.6875  - 508.875   KHz<br>bit(s) 130     &#9;&#9;560.625   - 564.9375  KHz<br>bit(s) 154:162 &#9;&#9;664.125   - 702.9375  KHz<br>bit(s) 172     &#9;&#9;741.75    - 746.0625  KHz<br>bit(s) 186:190 &#9;&#9;802.125   - 823.6875  KHz<br>bit(s) 198:201 &#9;&#9;853.875   - 871.125   KHz<br>bit(s) 211     &#9;&#9;909.9375  - 914.25    KHz<br>bit(s) 222:223 &#9;&#9;957.375   - 966       KHz<br>bit(s) 234     &#9;&#9;1009.125  - 1013.4375 KHz<br>bit(s) 241:248 &#9;&#9;1039.3125 - 1073.8125 KHz<br>bit(s) 255     &#9;&#9;1099.6875 - 1104      KHz<br><br>Thanks for the help of our esteemed poster D_L who was patient enough to get me through this.<br><br>G&#146;Night and best wishes to everyone!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : I dont really know. <br><br>I have 6 jacks in the house and noticed they were all wired (tapped connection) in parallel to each other using the same twisted pair. Why I have 5 other test jacks that were installed is a wonder to me too.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted :  Why are there so many test plugs in the picture? You only have one line at your house-or are you at an apartment nid?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[d_l posted : I'm not sure how critical the correct colors are to the operation, but if you wire it correctly to the standard convention, someone else checking your wiring later won't have a problem.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="/faq/bellsouth">AT&T Southeast  Forum FAQ</A> &raquo;<A HREF="/faq/13962">Telco Wiring Color Code.</A><br><br>I think you will have to splice an wire extension to the ground drain wire with a splice peanut and then "tie' the wire and splice to the cable to protect the fragile drain wire from flexure. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : Finally the cable got delivered to my door. <br><br>I wired everything up at the nid. The only difficult thing was grounding the shielded CAT6 as discussed earlier. The ground line is somewhat thin and fragile and if you move it around frequently it will break like the pop top ring on a soda can.<br><br>So the home run line is now hot and just sitting there all coiled up. I know I did something right because the phone in the house works!  :-)<br><br>Time for a break since there is something I am not so sure of.<br><br>The nid is wired up exactly as described before but I have a question about polarity of the HR line. <br><br>I am only using a single twisted pair so does it matter if white goes to one terminal of the  jack and blue the other? or vise verse?<br><br> <IMG SRC="http://jiliz.fileave.com/cable_IMG_3575.JPG">]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[d_l posted : Isn't there a bare wire, a drain wire, inside the foil of the shielding?  That wire is what should be grounded.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ejg1 posted : I validated there is a heavy duty ground in the Telco nid side. <br><br>I could tie the ground to that bar you referenced if needed. Right now it is not unused for anything. <br><br>I just dont know what to do with my shielded (STP) CAT homerun line and how/what way that should be grounded? ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[mhetterm posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1117319" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1117319');">ejg1</a>:</small><br><br>Most likely there is a ground in there I can use. Except, I don't know what to do ground my system at the moment. When the time comes, one of you guys will poke me I hope.... :-)<br> </div>That metal "strip" with 8 or so screws in it to the right of your NID, near the bottom, looks like a ground bus bar to me ...]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[wayjac posted : I don't know what's behind the telco cover on your nid......I think you should have a look]]></description>
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