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Re: Is it illegal to watch tv via torrents?
said by r81984  :If I download a movie that is in theaters I would be breaking the law. If I own a DVD of a movie that is scratched so I download a replacement to burn it I would not be breaking the law since I already owned it. If I distribute the movie to people who don't own it then I am breaking the law. I think you would be breaking the law. You bought a license to use that DVD. The law allows you to make a back up copy of _that_ DVD. That DVD becamed damaged. This does not give you the right to replace the damaged/lost/stolen product free of charge. Your license existed on that 1 DVD. You'd also be changing the item to a downloaded (and pirated/stolen) copy. That is, you'd then be downloading a stolen (different/modified) product. You had the opportunity to make your backup from the original product but you did not do this. Again, the license does not allow you free replacement for your entire life.
said by r81984 :If I download the simpsons episode I missed last night, essentially using torrents as a cheap DVR then I am no more guilty of breaking the law than any DVR user is. Still a different format/product. as I understand is _is_ legal to record a show to DVR for your own non-public viewing. But this is _not_ the same thing as downloading a copy of the program.
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1 edit | If you paid for the TV and instead of recording it you download it, what is the difference.
Torrent = free DVR
Now if you don't pay for HBO and you download a show you would be doing something illegal, but if you paid for HBO and you download the show then what you did is no different than using a DVR.
I fail to see how they can sue for damages on something you can prove you paid for.
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| said by r81984 :If you paid for the TV and instead of recording it you download it, what is the difference. Torrent = free DVR Now if you don't pay for HBO and you download a show you would be doing something illegal, but if you paid for HBO and you download the show then what you did is no different than using a DVR. I fail to see how they can sue for damages on something you can prove you paid for. This was already answered... you don't pay your TV service provider to download an _illegal_ copy of the program... and this is exactly what you are doing. It's a completely different product and format. Again, what you'd be downloading from a BT source is an illegal copy (in the context of the OP's post). It just seems harmless as it's already been made available for "free". But this does not change the fact that someone owns the licensing rights to the show so they still have 100% control over how it's delivered.
I listen to music on the radio... this does not give me the right to download the mp3 from a BT source. |
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1 edit | It is backup copy of what you purchased.
You can record off the tv and radio for your own personal use.
There is no difference in downloading something recorded from the radio or tv for you own personal use. In then end you are doing the exact same thing.
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| said by r81984 :It is backup copy of what you purchased. You can record off the tv and radio for your own personal use. Let me take you back a few post.
»www.helpdesk.ilstu.edu/kb/index.···bid=1159
What you are talking about is outdated, newer laws say you can't download anything!
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Its kinda of confusing to comprehend the rights and wrongs but it looks pretty black and white that it would be illegal to download tv data via torrents.
So im guessing using my PC as a DVR is illegal. What about using my DVR provided by my cable company? That seems to be pushing the legal boundaries as well. Sure I get the concept that the DVR is licensed or whatever by the cable company and whatever I am paying on my bill; a portion may be used for the purpose of royalties or whatever they are called.
I used to record all kinds of stuff on my VHS a long time ago...so whats the difference...I guess no laws back then?
Whatever that was just a long rant and no real question.
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said by r81984 :It is backup copy of what you purchased. You can record off the tv and radio for your own personal use. There is no difference in downloading something recorded from the radio or tv for you own personal use. In then end you are doing the exact same thing. It's also not a backup. A backup is a copy of the original. To address what you posted, downloading someone else's _illegal_ file is not a backup in that it's _not_ a copy of what you had. To address the OP's post, downloading something from BT is not a backup as the OP asks if something can be downloaded just because it's on Hulu. |
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If you are recording already paid for content for your own personal use with a DVR, torrents, or off the radio then what will they sue for???
Copyright infringement is about damages, what damages can they claim?
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said by NETSH :Its kinda of confusing to comprehend the rights and wrongs but it looks pretty black and white that it would be illegal to download tv data via torrents. So im guessing using my PC as a DVR is illegal. What about using my DVR provided by my cable company? That seems to be pushing the legal boundaries as well. Sure I get the concept that the DVR is licensed or whatever by the cable company and whatever I am paying on my bill; a portion may be used for the purpose of royalties or whatever they are called. I used to record all kinds of stuff on my VHS a long time ago...so whats the difference...I guess no laws back then? Whatever that was just a long rant and no real question. I did some searching and it appears using a DVR is legal to record from the TV as long as it's for your own personal use. I added a correction in my last post. From what I found, this goes back to Betamax days to give an idea of the time frame. |
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said by LittlePiggie :said by r81984 :It is backup copy of what you purchased. You can record off the tv and radio for your own personal use. Let me take you back a few post. » www.helpdesk.ilstu.edu/kb/index.···bid=1159What you are talking about is outdated, newer laws say you can't download anything! I guess you did not read your own link. It does not talk at all about downloading content you already paid for.
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said by r81984 :If you are recording already paid for content for your own personal use with a DVR, torrents, or off the radio then what will they sue for??? Copyright infringement is about damages, what damages can they claim? 1) It's a criminal act... hence the FBI warning as such. 2) the damages would be the cost of the media that would have been bought had the person obtained the media legally. I did mention that this is why no one goes after just 1 person or 1 download (well, unless you are the RIAA  ). Usually the owners will go after people making it available to many people. The damages are great enough to recover their expense of pursuing the matter, it stops the media from freely falling into a multitude of hands, and it's usually covered by the media.
If the OP downloads something from BT I doubt anyone is going to do anything (it's really a given that they will not) but the question was;
"I currently use hulu for most of the shows i watch but wondering about the legal side of pulling down shows via torrents?"
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said by r81984 :said by LittlePiggie :said by r81984 :It is backup copy of what you purchased. You can record off the tv and radio for your own personal use. Let me take you back a few post. » www.helpdesk.ilstu.edu/kb/index.···bid=1159What you are talking about is outdated, newer laws say you can't download anything! I guess you did not read your own link. It does not talk at all about downloading content you already paid for. You did not pay for any part of the TV program, you paid to watch it (if you have cable)(public TV is free but you still can't record it).
You are living in the past!
Stay there and when you get busted (as they are now going after Bittornent sites now) come back and let us know how legal it is!
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1 edit | said by LittlePiggie :You did not pay for any part of the TV program, you paid to watch it (if you have cable)(public TV is free but you still can't record it). You are living in the past! Stay there and when you get busted (as they are now going after Bittornent sites now) come back and let us know how legal it is! So then a DVR is illegal?
If you already paid for it, what kind of damages would they seek?
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| said by r81984 :I guess older than you. You might be older than me, I'm almost 40. I wasn't trying to be insulting asking you how old you were, just trying to get a feel of the mentality of what you are asking originally.
I know a lot of younger people have a completely different feel of how things online should or shouldn't be. I'm not saying they're right or wrong, in fact the younger crowd may have a better since of where things are headed to be honest.
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1 edit | My whole point is if you paid for something once, how can you be sued for downloading a copy of what you already paid for? How can they claim any damages?
There is pirating movies, music, and tv and then there is downloading copies of DVDs, music, and tv for your personal use that you already paid for.
What is the difference in downloading a TV show and recording it with your DVR?
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| The difference is that it's different people selling it.
A judge is not going to look at a persons cable package to see if they subscribe to a channel/show to say if it's alright for them to download a particular show/movie or not.
It would be nearly impossible and big waste of time to have lawyers and such checking that out.
I'm done, if you get it you get it, if you don't you don't, either way it's fine.
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| If you were sued you would obviously show the judge how you already paid for the content and what you downloaded was just a personal recording just like with a cassette tape, CD, VCR, or DVR.
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said by r81984 :My whole point is if you paid for something once, how can you be sued for downloading a copy of what you already paid for? How can they claim any damages? Where and when are you paying for the TV program? You pay to have Cable or Dish TV and that is all what is played on the TV is not yours to own.
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