Topic 'Sophos: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses' in forum 'Security' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23285922 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:33:14 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:33:14 EDT Re: Sophos: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23293477 said by shrine:

I wonder why everyone sees the need to defend and divert blame from Microsoft?
Please define "everyone". There are a few here that didn't defend this. And that, friend dispels the notion of "everyone" quite handily.
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I wonder why everyone sees the need to defend and divert blame from Microsoft? Are we really that jaded by decades of insecurity, paranoia, and defenselessness with Windows? Oh, right, we are..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23293327 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:07:09 EDT Re: Sophos: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23293017 said by TSI Gabe:

said by tempnexus:

I vote for the old Kasperksy Squealing Pig sound for anytime you turn off UAC.

That damn thing woke me up at 4 am many times when my PC was set to perform a system scan and I forgot to turn off my speakers.

Nothing like an angry squealing pig to wake you up at 4 am.
ROFL. omg that brought up bad memories.
Uhh, Deliverance? :D
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I vote for the old Kasperksy Squealing Pig sound for anytime you turn off UAC.

That damn thing woke me up at 4 am many times when my PC was set to perform a system scan and I forgot to turn off my speakers.

Nothing like an angry squealing pig to wake you up at 4 am.
ROFL. omg that brought up bad memories.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23291912 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:57:01 EDT Re: Sophos: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23291823
We rarely get a Vista machine. Not saying it doesn't happen, just an observation.

I think having an extra layer (even if its ineffective most of the time) is better than nothing]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23291823 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:43:50 EDT Re: Sophos: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23291627 See Profile seen this thread before he started this one.
»Bug in latest Linux gives untrusted users root access]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23291627 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:09:45 EDT Re: Sophos: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23291044
That damn thing woke me up at 4 am many times when my PC was set to perform a system scan and I forgot to turn off my speakers.

Nothing like an angry squealing pig to wake you up at 4 am.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23291044 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:38:53 EDT Re: Sophos: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23290929
Do you know that Windows 7 UAC settings allow to completely turn off UAC without a single UAC prompt? That didn't make any sense to me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23290929 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:35:05 EDT Re: Sophos: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23290417
Windows 7 SP1 beta rumored by end of 2009, RTM summer 2010
»arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2···2010.ars
»www.neowin.net/news/main/09/11/0···-surface

Edit to add:
Sophos: Win 7 vulnerable to 8/10 viruses,FUD alert
»www.neowin.net/news/main/09/11/0···ud-alert

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That would be naked-out-of-the-box :D
It still says nothing about the user rights of the logged in user, or if the infections were limited to that specific user account or to the base OS.

Both of these points are critical to evaluating the claims. Cleaning up a borked user account is childs play. Cleaning a borked machine is not.

The "change" in UAC in windows 7 is that, by default, the annoyance slider is one tick down vs. vista. That's pretty much it.
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Wow, what a shock!

NOT!
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First of all, it is probably the default UAC settings, that are not as good as vista was (but less annoying)...

And if they include user action (pressing yes on the UAC prompt)... I mean... There is just nothing but... NOTHING! possible to do against the user actions... If you clic yes, it's YOUR fault... the computer defenses were working and you chose to ignore them...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23288054 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:04:21 EDT Re: Sophos: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23288024 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23288024 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:52:27 EDT Re: Uhh, dude? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Uhh-dude-23288017 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Uhh-dude-23288017 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:50:23 EDT Uhh, dude? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Uhh-dude-23287951 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Uhh-dude-23287951 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:32:45 EDT Re: Sophos: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23287938
Windows Vista has been incredibly safe for our home users that download plenty of sketchy files, considerably more than XP users. I doubt Windows 7 is less secure than Vista. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23287938 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:30:21 EDT Re: Sophos: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23287887
Download- Click Install under Admin Rights - UAC pops up with red banner asking "WTF are you doing? You are about to overwrite system32 with gaypron? " - user selects YES -"UAC pops up again saying WOW dude the process wants raw access into your C drive are you sure about that?" - user selects YES - WIndows Defender Pops up saying "Hey hey all of your sites in the host file are being all redirect to IllGaySite.nk are you sure?" -- user selects YES.

SYSTEM INFECTED.....GOTTA write a story about it so our AV company can stay in business. Not like Sophos actually does a decent job in detection anyhow, but circumventing all saveguards instigated in Windows still allows a malicious file to infect it. It's like opening a syringe and filling it up with a vial take out of a Class III biosafety cabinet in BSL4 lab and then taking off your Positive pressure personnel suit to inject it into your veins just to see if indeed can infect you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23287887 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:15:53 EDT Re: Sophos: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23287885
Sure, a machine without AV is going to get infected. That's obvious. Why do you think I suggest ESET all the time?

No OS is completely safe from viruses/hackers/etc. I'm just glad Windows 7 fixed the joke that was Vista.
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NOT!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23287182 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:57:27 EDT Re: Sophos: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23287036 said by sMh:

What exactly happened?

a) Ran malware - no UAC prompt - user infected
b) Ran malware - UAC prompt - Clicked 'Yes' - user infected
c) Ran malware - UAC prompt - Clicked 'No' - user infected
*user* infected vs *machine* infected is kinda a big difference, though. Was the machine infected, or just the user account?

There is no protection from a highly motivated stupid user. Especially one with admin rights.
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'Tis the nature of the beast in my mind.
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What exactly happened?

a) Ran malware - no UAC prompt - user infected
b) Ran malware - UAC prompt - Clicked 'Yes' - user infected
c) Ran malware - UAC prompt - Clicked 'No' - user infected
Oh your taking my fun out of this as I wanted those viruses so I could see the install process as this is what I was thinking.

Blake
Edit - Sometimes I think UAC should be a great big hammer which comes out and pounds the keyboard and mouse into little bits as that is what is needed to protect some users.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23286767 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:35:11 EDT Re: Sophos: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23286693
a) Ran malware - no UAC prompt - user infected
b) Ran malware - UAC prompt - Clicked 'Yes' - user infected
c) Ran malware - UAC prompt - Clicked 'No' - user infected]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23286693 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:21:12 EDT Re: Sophos: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23286596
Blake]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23286596 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:04:44 EDT Re: Sophos: Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Sophos-Windows-7-vulnerable-to-8-out-of-10-viruses-23286087
AV software is important, as is not using IE. and of course most important factor in infection prevention is user education. i think most bad things get onto a computer because someone clicks "yes"
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We grabbed the next 10 unique samples that arrived in the SophosLabs feed to see how well the newer, more secure version of Windows and UAC held up. Unfortunately, despite Microsoft's claims, Windows 7 disappointed just like earlier versions of Windows. The good news is that, of the freshest 10 samples that arrived, 2 would not operate correctly under Windows 7.

User Account Control did block one sample; however, its failure to block anything else just reinforces my warning prior to the Windows 7 launch that UAC's default configuration is not effective at protecting a PC from modern malware.

Lesson learned? You still need to run anti-virus on Windows 7.


Windows 7 vulnerable to 8 out of 10 viruses
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