Telek
join:2009-11-03
| Is Rogers +$25 essentially unlimited?
Rogers seems to have a $25 cap for overusage on their network - does this essentially give you unlimited bandwidth for $25 extra per month?
I currently have Rogers on family/friends discount plan ($30/mo for express) and Acanac DSL for unlimited downloading ($19/mo+$8/mo dry) but both offers are expiring so I'm soon looking at $50/mo for Rogers plus $34+$8/mo for Acanac.
The Rogers help desk guy that I talked to said that it's essentially unlimited but if I started really abusing it (he said 500GB or more per month) then I may get those fun "Cease and desist" letters.
Anyone have any experience with this, or better ideas for uncapped relatively cheap in Ontario?
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Paul W
@rogers.com
| I use about 130GB every month, pretty consistently. I am used to a bill that charges me $54 in overage, then deducts $29 so that I'm only paying $25 extra.
If you're willing to pay the $25 "tax" on usage, then I think you're fine to use the Rogers connection as an "unlimited" connection... to a point... the rep says about 500GB and they start to lean on you, but that's a lot of transfers.
Unless you're a serious pirate, I doubt you would use enough to be red flagged as an abuser. You can probably find out how much you are currently using from your ISP and use that history to judge whether you need true unlimited, or can get away with "Unlimited".
BTW, what do you think of the Acanac ADSL service? I'm thinking of replacing my Rogers cuz my "Extreme" bill is $92.63 every MONTH after the $25 surcharge, and Acanac service is only $227.40 per YEAR, and unlimited (only 20% of Rogers fees). The problem is the bandwidth rate is only (up to) 5Mbps, compared to the 10Mbps I'm getting now. I think I'm willing to live with that if I'm paying $18.95 per month for 5Mbps compared to $92.63 per month for 10Mbps. Heck, I could always get 2 lines and bond them and have my upload rate double that of Rogers for 40% of the cost. |
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Farchord
Lost somewhere.
join:2004-08-28
Shawinigan, QC
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
| said by Paul W :
I use about 130GB every month, pretty consistently. I am used to a bill that charges me $54 in overage, then deducts $29 so that I'm only paying $25 extra.
If you're willing to pay the $25 "tax" on usage, then I think you're fine to use the Rogers connection as an "unlimited" connection... to a point... the rep says about 500GB and they start to lean on you, but that's a lot of transfers.
Unless you're a serious pirate, I doubt you would use enough to be red flagged as an abuser. You can probably find out how much you are currently using from your ISP and use that history to judge whether you need true unlimited, or can get away with "Unlimited".
BTW, what do you think of the Acanac ADSL service? I'm thinking of replacing my Rogers cuz my "Extreme" bill is $92.63 every MONTH after the $25 surcharge, and Acanac service is only $227.40 per YEAR, and unlimited (only 20% of Rogers fees). The problem is the bandwidth rate is only (up to) 5Mbps, compared to the 10Mbps I'm getting now. I think I'm willing to live with that if I'm paying $18.95 per month for 5Mbps compared to $92.63 per month for 10Mbps. Heck, I could always get 2 lines and bond them and have my upload rate double that of Rogers for 40% of the cost.
Problem is DSL providers are still threatened by a pending UBB decision by the CRTC.... even though you paid a year in advance, if you go over the limit, you will be paying more.... |
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darknestgirl
join:2008-08-11
Montreal, QC | reply to Telek
And the special offer(227.40/year) is only for the first year after that it's 33,95/month if you pay for the whole year. |
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Telek
join:2009-11-03
3 edits | reply to Paul W
According to my router I use (on average) about 150GB/mo.
Not sure why you have extreme! Express is 10mbit/512 and Extreme is 10mbit/1. So you pay $15 extra per month (after tax) just to double your upload speed. So you'd be about $78 per month with Rogers.
Acanac has actually been pretty good - service goes down a few times a year (as does Rogers) but their speed (for me at least and I'm close to the CO) is about 4.5mbit - but latency is easily twice that of Rogers. It certainly "feels" slower for day-to-day use than Rogers, but then again you get what you pay for. It's certainly not bad for the price.
Keep in mind as well that if you don't have a home phone (and if you do - why?) then you're paying $96/year on top of the $227.40 for dry-loop.
I assume you have Rogers cable or cellphone (because your price is a little less than retail) so also keep in mind that by cancelling internet you're losing your discount. Let's assume it works out to $5.
Up until now I've been $39/mo for Rogers Express (After tax), $27/mo for Acanac and $10/mo for Acanac VoIP. A Total of $76/mo gets me 2 internet connections, home phone, and I use OTA for my TV recorded through my HTPC (and download a lot of TV as well). But that's about to jump to about $112...
What really ticks me off is that Bell can offer much faster DSL than any of their wholesalers - why is this?
Anyway Acanac MLPPP isn't working yet, but once they get it running (which should be very soon) that could be quite a decent upgrade - but again assuming that they'll both be dry you're now looking at $19+$8+$34+$8 or $69/mo (+$10 one time setup fee) to get about 9mbit down whereas Rogers is 10mbit and $78. The $9/mo to me isn't worth the hassles and I don't really care about upstream. Assuming you keep it a year and you lose $5 discount on rogers for multi-service you're now saving a whopping $3/mo  Add to that fact that after the first year your Acanac goes up by $15/mo you'd then be paying $12 more for less than you'd have had with Rogers all along.
And yes, if you MLPPP your second line is at full regular price -- you can't get double promo pricing  |
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Paul W
join:2009-11-04
canada
| said by Telek  :Not sure why you have extreme! Express is 10mbit/512 and Extreme is 10mbit/1. So you pay $15 extra per month (after tax) just to double your upload speed. So you'd be about $78 per month with Rogers. You answered your own question. I do it for double the upload rate. I'm actually considering the Ultimate package in order to get the 2Mb upload rate.
said by Telek :I assume you have Rogers cable or cellphone (because your price is a little less than retail) so also keep in mind that by cancelling internet you're losing your discount. Let's assume it works out to $5. Not sure what you are saying here. I have Acanac VoIP for my "landline" (over my current Rogers cable Internet). I pay the $119/year service and it's great. Screw Rogers and Bell for phone service. |
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Poser
join:2002-07-28 | Why is it necessary for you to have such a high bandwidth limit on your upload? |
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Telek
join:2009-11-03
4 edits | reply to Paul W
Ok, then if the upload bandwidth is important than I'd go up to the next tier of Rogers rather than dual DSL.
The reason I was assuming that you have multiple rogers services is because the price that you quoted is less than retail pricing.
Rogers Acanac
Bandwidth place test:
Download Speed: 9901 kbps (1237.6 KB/s) 4133 kbps (516.6 KB/s)
Upload Speed : 502 kbps ( 62.8 KB/s) 651 kbps (81.4 KB/s)
 
So MLPPP DSL would give you 8/1.3mbit (minus overhead) for $69/mo for 1 year then $84/mo. Rogers gives you 10/.5 for $72+tax or 10/1 for $85+tax or 25/1 for $121+Tax.
Of course it depends how much you download - if you don't or rarely exceed 125GB/mo then Rogers 25/1 is only $96+tax.
So right now for me I get 14034/1153kbps for $59 soon to be $98. Not true MultiLink but redundant which has come in handy the few times that either link has gone down. |
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jamilv
@rogers.com | reply to Telek
It essentially is, because right now Im on their 25mbit plan and I put through about 250gb over monthly and so far there has been no calls or letters about it
(total bandwidth/month used is about 425-500gb) |
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jamilv
@rogers.com
| reply to Telek
By the way heres a screen of my speedtest
Thats through wireless about 20m from the router
I put through about 2.4-2.5 mb/sec on average on wireless, I have yet to test wired since I installed the modem but I think it was around 3mb/sec average then |
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jfmezei
Premium
join:2007-01-03
Beaconsfield, QC
·ELECTRONICBOX
| reply to Telek
Not sure if this is still in effect, but there was a period where Rogers would tenporarilty disconnect you without much of a warning if you exceeded some undocumented limit (which Rogers refused to document at that time). I have not heard about such stories in a couple of years. But with Bell killing the last "unlimited" services with its UBB omposed on competitors, it wouldn't surprise me to see Rogers start to attack abusers again.
Note that Bell Canada will, according to approved UBB tariffs, have the right to restrict or suspend a user iof he has surpassed 300gigs more than once. Unless this is changed, this will apply to Bell's competitors for DSL. |
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Telek
join:2009-11-03
| reply to jamilv
said by jamilv :By the way heres a screen of my speedtest Thats through wireless about 20m from the router I put through about 2.4-2.5 mb/sec on average on wireless, I have yet to test wired since I installed the modem but I think it was around 3mb/sec average then Note that for Rogers I get 9.9 on their 10mbit service single or multiple connections - Acanac I get 4.05 on their 5mbit service single connection, but newsgroup downloading over 4 connections I get 4.2mbit and 8 connections I get 4.5, so it's entirely possible if you did a multi-connection test over wireless you'd exceed 18.9 that you get for a single connection. |
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Telek
join:2009-11-03
| reply to jamilv
said by jamilv :
It essentially is, because right now Im on their 25mbit plan and I put through about 250gb over monthly and so far there has been no calls or letters about it
(total bandwidth/month used is about 425-500gb)
I don't suppose that you have a great deal on the price of that 25mbit plan, eh? |
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jamilv
@rogers.com | reply to Telek
Well its running me around $120/month including the overage fees and tax. I got a small discount for having like 4 cell phones with them and another rogers internet account at my brothers house. |
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Telek
join:2009-11-03 | reply to Telek
Has anyone managed to get a good deal on the Ultimate plan? |
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Net Citizen
join:2009-01-22
Schenectady, NY
2 edits | reply to Paul W
said by Paul W :You answered your own question. I do it for double the upload rate. I'm actually considering the Ultimate package in order to get the 2Mb upload rate. Is this intended for torrent P2P? Is so, Rogers throttles upstream 24/7 so if you have trackers that require a ratio based on amount of data uploaded rather than time seeded, getting 2 MB upload won't help any. |
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