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dynodb
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New business models?

"There is simply no reason for ACTA, at all," chimes in Mike Masnick at Techdirt. "It is nothing but an attempt by the entertainment industry to put massive restrictions on the internet, place liability on lots of third parties, and do nothing to push themselves to adapt to a changing marketplace with new business models."
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I understand the objections... but exactly what kind of "business models" can compete with "free"?

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Re: New business models?

said by dynodb:

I understand the objections... but exactly what kind of "business models" can compete with "free"?
I dunno, let me go grab a bottled water and think about it...
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travelguy

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Re: New business models?

said by funchords:

said by dynodb:

I understand the objections... but exactly what kind of "business models" can compete with "free"?
I dunno, let me go grab a bottled water and think about it...
Brilliant. Should get award for post of the week.

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Re: New business models?

said by travelguy:

said by funchords:

said by dynodb:

I understand the objections... but exactly what kind of "business models" can compete with "free"?
I dunno, let me go grab a bottled water and think about it...
Brilliant. Should get award for post of the week.
Not really -- a better analogy would be "Let me go get a handful of water from a mud puddle in the street." That water is truly "free".
travelguy

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Re: New business models?

No - his point was that there are examples where people will pay a lot for something (bottled water), even though it is generally available for free (tap water, water fountains, etc).

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Re: New business models?

said by travelguy:

No - his point was that there are examples where people will pay a lot for something (bottled water), even though it is generally available for free (tap water, water fountains, etc).
I got his point -- but that water isn't really FREE. Someone is paying for it, just not the consumer. The fact that it's given away doesn't change the cost.
Desdinova
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Re: New business models?

"The fact that it's given away doesn't change the cost."

Nor does it change its value as evidenced by the fact that many folks with access to the freely available water will still pay for it. Just as happens with all the freely available music, movies and TV shows: despite the reality that anyone with an internet connection can easily get all of this stuff free, the overwhelming majority still choose to pay for this content.

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Re: New business models?

Of course -- I could get away with shutting off the water to my house! Bring home gallon jugs from work for drinking, and hell, I have a health club membership that includes a locker room with showers. I can't figure out a way to get my clothes cleaned for free yet though.
Desdinova
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Re: New business models?

"I can't figure out a way to get my clothes cleaned for free yet though."

Easy, don't take your clothes off when you shower at the gym! Of course, if you're paying for that gym membership than some of the membership fee probably subsidizes the water being used...

jester121
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Re: New business models?

I'd equate that to paying for internet access anyhow, right?
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said by jester121:

I can't figure out a way to get my clothes cleaned for free yet though.

Drop them off at your mother's house?
travelguy

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Yep. The bottom line is that context is what adds value, not the item itself. I buy bottles of soda at work and pay double the price I would from a grocery store. Why? I'm buying "cold" and "convenience".

KrK
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iTunes has been working well.

Netflix is rollicking along.

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Re: New business models?

but the Entertainment Industry isnt happy about iTunes and Netflix.

iTunes from the RIAA: can't control the product like physical media.

Netflix from the MPAA: can't control the streaming movies like physical media.

the Entertainment Industry doesn't want to acknowledge or adopt what the consumer wants. and that is instant gratification.
i, the consumer, want my music now.
i, the consumer, want my movies now.
give me my music download with fair use rights.
give me my streaming movie in the comfort of my living room at the same time the movie premiers on the big screen.
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Re: New business models?

Absolutely I agree.

However, it does prove there are business models in full competition with piracy and they are succeeding.

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