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He's my bank alt and has fabulous hair :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23318437 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:44:23 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23314656 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23314656 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:53:45 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23314589 >>>>>>>>>> way. Let's not kill this thread with another "DK measuring contest" lol. j/k.
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Also, even if you think those people who are 51/0/20 are good, you could be better. Case and point, I know DKs who push out good dps on Mal'Ganis (w/ DBB and 5k GS) that I wipe the floor with. Having Arch, Kris and Corelon around, you have to be on top of your game in order to beat those scrubs. I think a few of them are giving sexual "healing" to GMs in order to do the dps they do...*cough* Arch..*cough*.
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“Reality doesn't bite, rather our perception of reality bites.” - Anthony J. D'Angelo]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23314474 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:22:33 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23314325 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23314325 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:54:59 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23314269 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23314269 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:46:28 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23314252 said by Taeble:

Yeah for my Heroic 5 man ach. I am missing the H Occ and some from DTK I believe. Just seems like I miss the transformation one by a second everytime. We interrupt everything, and then right before he dies he changes. It pisses me off.
try it with 4 dps and no healer, with a good tank they wont need heals. we killed him in 15 sec flat, only tried to transform once iirc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23314252 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:43:49 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23314241 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23314241 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:42:16 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23314231 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23314231 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:40:35 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23313983 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23313983 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:54:00 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23313673 said by Fouloldron:

Had a busy weekend tanking. My Warrior dinged 68 so my group decided to go 4 man Sethekk Halls, Shadow Labs, Steamvault and Shattered Halls on Saturday.
I think Shadow Labs is an awesome place to practice your tanking and group leadership. The trash there has it all as well as some fun boss mechanics.
Question to you tanks out there, what dungeons (not raids) are more interesting to tank on a whole for you guys? BC or WOTLK? I've seen WOTLK from a DPS perspective and somehow can't get rid of the feeling that BC dungeons might pose more chellenging fights.
BC, hands down. LK dungeons are pretty 'dumbed down'. I think the only one that comes close to BC is the old kingdom.
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“Reality doesn't bite, rather our perception of reality bites.” - Anthony J. D'Angelo]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23313607 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:36:14 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23313555 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23313555 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:24:05 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23313535 I think Shadow Labs is an awesome place to practice your tanking and group leadership. The trash there has it all as well as some fun boss mechanics.
Question to you tanks out there, what dungeons (not raids) are more interesting to tank on a whole for you guys? BC or WOTLK? I've seen WOTLK from a DPS perspective and somehow can't get rid of the feeling that BC dungeons might pose more chellenging fights.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23313535 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:20:21 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23307087
For your tanking spec, drop two points in Epidemic and pick up 2H Specialization -- will really help with threat. Sudden Doom is also nice to have since you picked up Death Rune Mastery, I assume you spam Heart Strikes (if not drop DRM).

I just don't really like blood tanking... It has one survival talent and one self-heal. I went back to frost and it has really cut back on the spikey damage. IBF stays up longer and you can use UA for 20 seconds of every minute.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23307087 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:41:53 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23304430 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23304430 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:36:19 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23304358 --
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Thanks Ty. I am at work, but will definately take a look at that tonight. I for some reason beleive that may be the one I am using, but will check later.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23302138 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:17:32 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23302116 --
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/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Currently combined avoidance at:",0.8,0.8,1)
/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetDodgeChance()+GetParryChance()+7+(GetCombatRating(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL)*150/355)*0.04,1,0.5,0)

That is the one for Nightelfs.
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I am going to try this one tonight from your list, to ensure that is what I have. I am a NE DK, so I know I get a little avoidance from that as well. Thanks again T. I will reply with more accurate results tonight.

/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Pure Avoidance. Currently at:",0.8,0.8,1) /script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetDodgeChance()+GetParryChance()+7+(GetCombatRating(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL) 150/355 + 20)0.04,1,0.5,0)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23302002 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:02:56 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23301946
SSG is 25 defense skill. 25 Defense skill = 123 Defense Rating. 41 defense rating = 1% avoidance total (dodge/parry/miss). So, SSG = 3% total avoidance which is NOT subject to DR. It is exactly the same as the Toughness talent use to be for paladins and warriors.

Swordshattering is s flat 4% parry, not subject to the DR. So the bonus is actually 1% additional avoidance over SSG, not 3.6%.

If you are using the base DK macro to figure out your avoidance with SSG vs. Swordshattering, then that macro returns false values for SSG. Try these for SSG:

Nightelf (Blood/Unholy Tank (No Frigid Dreadplate))

/run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(format("Avoidance with Stoneskin Gargoyle: %.2f%%", GetDodgeChance() + GetParryChance() + 8 + 1/(0.0625 + 0.956/(floor(GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL))*0.04))))

Nightelf (Frost (or others specs with Frigid Dreadplate))

/run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(format("Avoidance with Stoneskin Gargoyle: %.2f%%", GetDodgeChance() + GetParryChance() + 11 + 1/(0.0625 + 0.956/(floor(GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL))*0.04))))

All Other Races (Blood/Unholy (No Frigid Dreadplate))

/run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(format("Avoidance with Stoneskin Gargoyle: %.2f%%", GetDodgeChance() + GetParryChance() + 6 + 1/(0.0625 + 0.956/(floor(GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL))*0.04))))

All Other Races (Frost (Or other specs with Frigid Dreadplate)

/run ChatFrame1:AddMessage(format("Avoidance with Stoneskin Gargoyle: %.2f%%", GetDodgeChance() + GetParryChance() + 9 + 1/(0.0625 + 0.956/(floor(GetCombatRatingBonus(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL))*0.04))))

These return post-DR avoidance, so they will be lower than if you actually added your dodge/parry/miss from your character sheet.

For the rest of you and those Dks not using SSG:

/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Currently combined avoidance at:",0.8,0.8,1)
/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetDodgeChance()+GetParryChance()+5+(GetCombatRating(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL)*150/355)*0.04,1,0.5,0)

For NEs (Blood/Unholy Dk & Warrior)

/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Currently combined avoidance at:",0.8,0.8,1)
/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetDodgeChance()+GetParryChance()+7+(GetCombatRating(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL)*150/355)*0.04,1,0.5,0)

For Frost NE (or other specs with frigid dreadplate)

/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Currently combined avoidance at:",0.8,0.8,1)
/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(GetDodgeChance()+GetParryChance()+10+(GetCombatRating(CR_DEFENSE_SKILL)*150/355)*0.04,1,0.5,0)

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Your tanking ways change from your own skill, to gear available to you, to the group composition you run with, to the dungeon or raid you tank. You need to be able to see when you can just charge in vs using CC. As laughable as the part about CC may be, you still may need to use it depending on the group you tank for (epic'ed out vs greens).
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But they had never found a guide that told them how get and keep aggro on a group made of both melee and and ranged.This is usually the case for those who never tanked while leveling up. Just like awesome has already said this is called experience. Also good raid tank doesn't automatically mean good dungeon tank. If anything, tanking 5-mans takes much more than tanking raid bosses.
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This is what I'm seeing more and more from tanks. Keep in mind that both tanks were geared, both had nice HP (first tank , a warrior, had 45k hp, the second tank, a pally, had 36k hp) and they both were specced out just as what ever site or guide had told them to be. But they had never found a guide that told them how get and keep aggro on a group made of both melee and and ranged.
My suggestion for anyone doing a guide would be to say, you need X armor X hp X avoidance to start tanking heroics. And say for best threat generation in this encounter do this, or when dealing with this type of mobs try this. I'm sure that most people here have watched videos on tank spot about how to do what ever boss in what ever raid you were planning to do next, somewhere in between the Ulduar videos and the the ToGC videos there's a warrior pulling video. That is the kind of stuff that I think most people need for learning to tank.

by the way I do think this is a very good guide.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23301150 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:33:14 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-23297479 said by Zyncotl:

Please don't sticky this. IMO this is common knowledge to anyone who has ever ever considered playing a tank of any class and even to those who never desired to tank.
What are you talking about? What if someone who has never played wow wants to tank? They can visit one place to get info instead of tons of places and this is one of the best guides I've seen before. I don't know how to tank, never done it before and I would rather have this guide up for everyone including me then having to run around on other sites. Why would it be bad to sticky it? It's one subject. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-23297479 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:03:41 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23291473 --
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"The really long and short of it is this: get health when you need to make sure you can survive the absolute worst case situation. If you know you can survive the worst case situation reasonably, health is much less useful and you should either go for more avoidance (which will help overall damage intake on average) or more armor (which will also help damage intake, but more reliably) depending on what the encounter is like."

"Again, ultimately you have to think about it. Having tools handy is good, but there's no one set that will be optimal for all situations. When you've got a nail, use a hammer. When you've got a screw, use a screwdriver."

"Armor is the only stat that improves both effective health (how much total damage you can take) and mitigation (how much damage you take per hit)."

"Tank death often happens because a tank hasn't been topped off and is sitting at a low state until the tank gets lucky with avoidance or a healer blows a big heal. In those situations, armor is far more useful than stamina; it means you don't get in those situations as often (because you've taken less damage) and you don't need as much health to survive (because you'll mitigate it)."

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»wowthinktank.blogspot.com/2009/0···-of.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23291373 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:28:39 EDT http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-The-Insert-Class-Tank-and-You-For-Beginners-23291341 said by jofos:

sorry to ask this but how do you figure the damage reduction?
OR... you can just mouse over the armor value in your Character window :)
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Armor does not suffer from a DR in the way you think it does. There is a point at which it "caps" which is enforced by the code of the game but not the formula for which it is figured. As you get closer to this cap, the more armor you add the less % yield you receive in reduction. As Quatra said, it still gives you the same TTL as the % it adds but it doesn't give you that same % in reduction. It's empirical vs mathematical. You cannot say that 880 armor is X% reduction because you have to add the armor to your current to get the correct % for you. What you can say is that 880 armor gives X% more EH, which is why EH exists. EH is the empircal, % reduction is the matematical. Let's use Gemsnakes armor in this calculation:

26,800 armor = 63.75% physical damage reduction

Formula for Armor to % Reduction

Reduction = Armor/(Armor + B)*100
B = (467.5 * Enemy Level - 22167.5)

For a level 83 this simplifies to:

Reduction = Armor/(Armor+16435)*100

Let's plug in some numbers. This is where you get the mathmatical.

Reduction = 26,800 (26,800 + 16,435) *100
Reduction = 61.98% (this shows post DR armor reduction)

Now add the 880 total you would get from the Ony ring

Reduction = 27,680 (27,680 + 16,435) * 100
Reduction = 62.74%

61.98 - 62.74 = 0.76% increase in reduction

Here is where you get the empirical

Pre Ony ring (Assuming a hit for 10k)

10,000 * 0.6198 = 6198 damage reduction
10,000 - 6198 = 3802 Damage taken

Post Ony Ring

10,000 * 0.6294 = 6294 reduction
10,000 - 6294 = 3706 damage taken

That's 100 less damage taken by adding just 0.74% reduction which scales as the hits get bigger, EH.
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