Topic 'Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala' in forum 'All Things Unix'

Topic 'Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala' in forum 'All Things Unix' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23289301 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:14:58 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:14:58 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23308305 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23308305 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 22:16:43 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23308168 said by Derspankster:

said by redhatnation:

Hilarious. Guy at work is a big Ubuntu fan. He upgraded his laptop recently. Had nothing but trouble. One example: the laptop takes a good five minutes to shutdown.

I fail to see what is "hilarious" about the guy at works' problems. Do you also giggle at funerals?
Oh lighten up. The guy is a buddy and a co-worker. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23308168 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:42:00 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23305625 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23305625 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:42:18 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23305279 said by Cabal:

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Ubuntu 9.10 is causing outrage and frustration, with early adopters wishing they'd stuck with previous versions of the Linux distro.

Blank and flickering screens, failure to recognize hard drives, defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel, and failure to get encryption running are taking their toll, as early adopters turn to the web for answers and log fresh bug reports in Ubuntu forums.

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They're in good company, as more than a fifth of people upgrading to Ubuntu 9.10 have reported issues they can't fix, according to an Ubuntuforums.org poll here. Only around 10 per cent of those upgrading or installing reported a completely flawless experience.

Overall, those installing Ubuntu 9.10 on a clean machine are having a slightly easier time than those making the upgrade. Users installing Ubuntu 9.10 were able to solve more of the niggling problems than those trying to upgrade from an older version.

Ouch.
More than a fifth of the people?Only around 10% The M$ shill probably visited a single forum on some windows site .Most of the gloom and doom reviews have been extremely humorous when you consider the source of same. The majority of problems I have seen,or heard about seem to be occurring to relative new comers to the world of Linux,trying to upgrade without properly preparing for it.Posting this from an upgrade from 9.1 to 10.04 Development release.Cruising along famously!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23305279 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:41:43 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23304793
For eye candy, Ubuntu puts Windows 7 to shame.

Ubuntu rocks! :)

If your are installing Ubuntu on a laptop or desktop, keep your computer connected to the INTERNET with a CAT 5 cable, Ubuntu downloads stuff off the net while installing itself on the computer. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23304793 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:25:29 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23304787 said by munky99999:

Finally. If you goto the article. It's literally speaking about specific people who are having problems. graydo64 posted: Motoh wrote w00ly wrote
But if someone says so it must be true... ;) and that w00ly guy can't be trusted.

Ubuntu is an big target, there's a large group that hates anything that is easy and it doesn't get much easier than Ubuntu. There's no doubt organized mobs out just to trash Ubuntu like there are to trash various other things around the internet. There's probably some linux astroturfing group protecting the civil rights of those that are threatened by Ubuntu socializing their everyday life. :D

Too much phoney news about everything these days. Jon Stewart could give a better review of Ubuntu 9.10 than most of the clowns that are supposed to know. Too many people believing the crap that is passed as news too which is kind of sad considering tech news has become a source of entertainment. Advertising dominated quality content for the masses. Welcome to today. :)
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First of all. When they say Early Adopters. They are speaking about BETA TESTERS. OH MY GOD BETA TESTERS WITH BUGS SAY IT AINT SO!

Furthermore it was pretty much right across the board. Equal amounts of people with no issues then those with minor issues then those with big issues.

Moreover. It's called the bleeding edge for a reason. It's ahead of the cutting edge being cut and bloodied. If those BETA TESTERS are having bugs... tell them to stop upgrading at the bleeding edge.

Finally. If you goto the article. It's literally speaking about specific people who are having problems. graydo64 posted: Motoh wrote w00ly wrote

I'm sorry but anonymous posting of anecdotal problems doesnt stand up for much. Thats with the blatant acknowledgment of lots of known issues in the operating system.

Of all my machines. The only 1 to have issues has been my crackbook which had loads of customized apps which didnt take to the upgrade so well. Which took me all of 30mins to fix. Other then that... the several papercut bugs that I only noticed were bugs until after they got fixed... was very nice to see fixed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23304611 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:32:01 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23304506
But 64-bit on my older Athlon64 3200+ had some teething problems, most of which were minor (prompts to file bug reports for critical oops errors that were really unnecessary warnings). But the stumper was trying to get 64-bit flash plugin working, since so many websites use flash. The Ubuntu package was really a 32-bit plugin with a wrapper, that would play the commercial before a news clip, but not the news clip itself. The alpha 64-bit flash worked great on some sites, but apparently flash ads made some sites not work at all because Firefox would turn gray and slow to a crawl, and/or just up and disappear in a flash.

Even going back to 9.04 did not help. It turns out that my older Athlon64 is missing an lahf instruction, but I just found a flashplugin-lahf-fix.so that allows the 64-bit flash plugin to work properly. So now all is well with 9.04 or 9.10.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23304506 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:00:04 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23302719 said by rv65:

My Laptop has 9.10 and the touchpad seems to have a mind of it's own. I have a Dell D610 and it works great when I plug in the mouse.
Did this start in 9.10?

There was a patch put in to gate events that are "unreasonable" for human movement, to prevent touchpad instability when using two fingers and lifting one finger up (or rolling a finger side to side)... I've seen this cause some issues on various trackpads with difficulty of movement or uncommanded movement; If this is the case then it should be blacklisted from this "enhancement" through a bug report.
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If you're getting reamed then you're gettin noticed. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23302072 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:10:07 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23301839 said by No_Strings:

There's good news in this. Think back just a few years. Would any of the tech rags have picked up on the latest release of a Linux distro, let alone make comparisons to the boys from Redmond?

Yellow journalism or not, it's nice to be in the papers.

* waits patiently for the NY Times to run a story on Slackware
That's an extremely good point :)
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Yellow journalism or not, it's nice to be in the papers.

* waits patiently for the NY Times to run a story on Slackware]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23301719 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:16:25 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23301706
And even when software works as designed, the customer might find the new definition of "Design" might be incompatible with their workflow.

My personal philosophy with regards to release management is to release when there's nothing that precludes a successful installation and nothing planned in the pipelines that'd make a rough update for users to apply. Then, all the other kinks can be dealt with as they come along.... It's really important for the user to evaluate each upgrade for themselves and decide if it's for them. That's why Ubuntu supports each release for AT LEAST 18 months (3 more releases), so that you have time to say "Ok, this release doesn't work for me. I'll wait for the next one and stay with my satisfactory current release!"

But then again, I'm not a release manager :)
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Interestingly, enabling manual login fixes the issue.
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However, by most reports (other than the infinite reboot issue) Windows 7 seems like a better initial offering than XP was, so some amount of praise is appropriate. Case in point tho... Even MS is plagued by regression issues, and bugs that would never be found until its released "into the wild"

Mac, Windows, Linux, Etc.. You'll find commentary that is scathing about the latest release no matter what.

Hopefully, it won't frighten away too many people.

-Jason
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This article is simply sensationalist crap. You guys just seem to keep lowering your standards of what a quality article is. Are you guys secretly Windows 7 fanbois? I have installed this on over 10 systems, most of them before the 30/10/09 release date. Nothing was unfixable, even a month before release on varying hardware. Some had a flawless upgrade. The majority of users report the same. Why do you quiz n00bs about Karmic just to make Windows 7 look better? Wait, I answered my own question! This site has been a good place for information. Please don't lower your standards to this.

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However, nothing's more frustrating and discouraging than pouring your heart into something like this for personal pleasure then reading shortsighted media commentary regarding what a vocal minority of the userbase is experiencing.
Hi,

In my limited experience with the media, they're in the _business_ to stay afloat: make money. While it's great some try to get it right, it's not necessarily the only reason for reporting.

Cheers,
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I do wish Pulse Audio would just go away, though.

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Few things are more annoying than listening to someone drone on about their favorite thing and how it's better than whatever you have/use.

Few things are more rewarding than when said thing blows up in someone's face.
Sounds petty to find reward in other's misfortune. Regardless of their previous behavior.

Cheers,
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I haven't exactly seen one distribution (no not even Debian) release something that isn't met with some regressions discovered by the huge influx in userbase. But a sensationalist headline like this is a bit over the top and definitely jumping to conclusions.

Are there regressions in Karmic? Absolutely -- otherwise I would not be spending several hours of my day neglecting my coursework and possibly ruining my academic standing this term to sift through the patch queue for karmic-proposed/karmic-updates.

However, nothing's more frustrating and discouraging than pouring your heart into something like this for personal pleasure then reading shortsighted media commentary regarding what a vocal minority of the userbase is experiencing.
I hate sensationalist "idiots" as I put it. They victimize people who pour their time and effort for that headline that will get them extra site hits and misinform the public. They are parasites. I have had my personal run-ins with them in my career.

I appreciate your effort both here and on Ubuntu. There are other things I like using too, but it's the efforts of people like you that allow us that kind of freedom of choice in this pro-corporate world. Karmic is good enough for me and countless others. Don't let sensationalist idiots ruin your education. You have done great things for the community and I am sure you will continue to do so. Taking a break for your own well-being(that is passing your classes) is a wise thing to do.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23299967 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:08:24 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23299593
Are there regressions in Karmic? Absolutely -- otherwise I would not be spending several hours of my day neglecting my coursework and possibly ruining my academic standing this term to sift through the patch queue for karmic-proposed/karmic-updates.

However, nothing's more frustrating and discouraging than pouring your heart into something like this for personal pleasure then reading shortsighted media commentary regarding what a vocal minority of the userbase is experiencing.
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Few things are more annoying than listening to someone drone on about their favorite thing and how it's better than whatever you have/use.

Few things are more rewarding than when said thing blows up in someone's face.
I suppose if we assume that was the case.
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Few things are more rewarding than when said thing blows up in someone's face.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23299540 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:11:17 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23299501 said by redhatnation:

Hilarious. Guy at work is a big Ubuntu fan. He upgraded his laptop recently. Had nothing but trouble. One example: the laptop takes a good five minutes to shutdown.
I fail to see what is "hilarious" about the guy at works' problems. Do you also giggle at funerals?
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Upstart was tasked with a lot more of the initialization than before and there have been a number of other significant under the hood changes. These sort of problems are to be expected when you start changing a lot of basic system stuff. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23297853 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:18:42 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23297836
All in all, I was lucky I guess. It was one of the cleanest upgrades I've been through (Windows, Linux, DOS). If anything, the 9.10 update strengthened my like of Ubuntu on the desktop.

O.
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That's about it.... ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23297723 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:48:43 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23293176
can't find any other issues yet..give me some time]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23293176 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:37:34 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23290712
I have no real need for Conky so I just don't autostart it anymore. Someday I play around to see if I can figure out what's going on there but it's pretty low on my list of priorities.

I sure as hell don't feel "bloodied" in any sense of the word.
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There were some others also, but the next day saw a bunch of updates, and having installed them it's been fun ever since! Now everything works fine, but I still miss Login Window & hate Login Screen. :D
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The more time I spend in 9.10, the more I like it. For me, this is the best version yet, and I really had no complaints with any of the previous versions.

That said, it's inevitable that some users will have issues, and it seems it's become very fashionable in the Linux community to take shots at Ubuntu. They've become the second-favorite target, after you-know-who.

I feel bad for those that have had problems, but to paraprhase a wise man, "I really don't care if it's good enough to make it onto your desktop, so long as it stays good enough to remain on mine". It's all that, and more so far - and I'm one of those that usually wait 3-4 weeks to upgrade. I'm glad I didn't wait this time - I have no regrets.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23290329 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:43:50 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23290164
The dist-upgrade process with ubuntu is a bit odd in a sense because it tries to micro-manage a lot of things from the system getting the upgrade unless there's known issues then something gets defaulted or changed and then this seems to have a cascading effect. Saying it's an upgrade in the general sense is true but really you're getting something new of every package on your system (even if the version number does not change since it's all compiled again). So you get a brand new system plus brand new of everything you installed plus your old configurations. It very similar to a Windows XP>Vista Upgrade thing happening every 6 months but it's marketed as something not so major. ;)

I think it's a really simple problem to identify too and this week makes it easy to see. Development for Lucid has started and as always it's not in a useable sate and won't be for a long time and it doesn't matter what kind of shape Karmic is in because it is different. :) In six months most of you will still 'upgrade' and it all starts over and will seem like an improvement over the previous. The fear of changes has created this six month cycle process to separate those who can from those who can't with the simple words of "don't upgrade if you think it might break". Almost the perfect lazy support situation which I'm sure is a very real factor in the whole thing. I'm starting to think I'm in this permanent state of a pipe dream to believe that something great could could be created if there were 6 months of development done on top of a perfect working system rather than one starting in "very considerable flux" with the added tip of being "comfortable with recovering from anything up to complete system failure".

That said I ultimately stick to clean installs plus my configs I need and then install the missing packages as I need them or notice they are missing since it doesn't benefit me to have them all downloaded at once and have to wait extra for a dist-upgrade to finish. I try to replace the bits i need in ~/.kde and make any changes in /etc along with installing any extra video drivers before I login to the desktop. After that I can usually have my interface and fonts adjusted within 5 minutes and I'm back and running and getting the full benefits of the upgrade without having bits of the old system in place doing things in a deprecated way possibly.
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Say no to JAMS!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23290164 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:11:36 EDT Re: Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23289390
Edit: For gfx driver issues for which no fix is known, as they put it-force XAA in xorg.conf and see if it clears up. Karmic forces EXA by default, but the open source drivers have limited EXA support. This will especially hurt with KDE, as many bits KDE uses cannot currently be accelerated with EXA. That was simple.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23289390 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:11:51 EDT Early adopters bloodied by Ubuntu's Karmic Koala http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Early-adopters-bloodied-by-Ubuntus-Karmic-Koala-23289301 quote:

Ubuntu 9.10 is causing outrage and frustration, with early adopters wishing they'd stuck with previous versions of the Linux distro.

Blank and flickering screens, failure to recognize hard drives, defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel, and failure to get encryption running are taking their toll, as early adopters turn to the web for answers and log fresh bug reports in Ubuntu forums.

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They're in good company, as more than a fifth of people upgrading to Ubuntu 9.10 have reported issues they can't fix, according to an Ubuntuforums.org poll here. Only around 10 per cent of those upgrading or installing reported a completely flawless experience.

Overall, those installing Ubuntu 9.10 on a clean machine are having a slightly easier time than those making the upgrade. Users installing Ubuntu 9.10 were able to solve more of the niggling problems than those trying to upgrade from an older version.

Ouch.
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