 kapilThe Kapil join:2000-04-26 Chicago, IL | Too Big To Fail? One company should not be allowed to control this much of the nation's infrastructure.
They own phone lines, broadcasting infrastructure, content broadcast over that infrastructure (soon to get even larger with the acquisition of NBC), Internet backbone.
With the FCC unwilling to regulate industries under its purview or provide any cohesive form of oversight of them, Congress needs to step in and do something before Comcast becomes one of those proverbial companies deemed "too big to fail". -- »www.VoIPTrunk.com |
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 PhoenixDown-- Wants FIOSPremium join:2003-06-08 Fresh Meadows, NY kudos:1 | I was going to post that! you beat me to it darn you!! -- ~ Insert a Funny Sig Here ~ |
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 iansltx join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO kudos:2 Reviews:
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| reply to kapil THey don't own any phone lines. True, some areas an't get any other broadband than Comcast but that's a different problem.
Now the content side of things is a whole other ballgame, however infrastructure-wise Comcast should be allowed to grow as big as it wants by purchasing MSOs. Overbuilders OTOH might be an antitrust deal. |
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 Lazlow join:2006-08-07 Saint Louis, MO | I think you are splitting hairs to say they do not own any phone lines. They do keep their phone product on their backbone as much as possible and Comcast's backbone is huge. The same goes for any of the other large ISPs(and Google). |
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| You could say that of Clear as well...they have ClearVoice with their VoIP service. Doesn't really matter; voice service at this point is at pretty much commodity status. There are enough companies fighting for your money most of the time taht this isn't a big deal.
Also, Comcast built their own network. No government subsidies. So they can do with it what they want, though they shouldn't be allowed to have a monopoly in any area if someone else wants to build the infrastructure. |
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 wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY | said by iansltx:Also, Comcast built their own network. No government subsidies. So they can do with it what they want, though they shouldn't be allowed to have a monopoly in any area if someone else wants to build the infrastructure. I agree with your statements. |
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 NOCManMacChatterPremium join:2004-09-30 Colorado Springs, CO | reply to kapil Actually the FCC tried, the courts beat them back. So yes congress needs to do something.
Only problem is that they're too busy cashing checks sent to them from Comcast. |
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 | reply to kapil Then we should make ATT and VZ give up their backbone as well? after all they control too much as well. |
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 kapilThe Kapil join:2000-04-26 Chicago, IL | I agree. Backbone/infrastructure companies should either be publicly owned or not allowed to compete in the retail marketplace. Retail companies should all be on a level playing field....unlike the current clusterfuck where a handful of companies have bought their way into a monopoly position in both the wholesale and retail markets.
There would be no net neutrality debate if AT&T didn't think it had leverage...which it does because it not only controls the backbone, but also the pipe into your home. -- »www.VoIPTrunk.com |
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 | reply to iansltx said by iansltx: they shouldn't be allowed to have a monopoly in any area if someone else wants to build the infrastructure. They don't as a matter of law. Any municipality in the US can OK competitors to Comcast. There are no exclusive franchise deals that prohibits over-builders - that is against the law. |
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| Then we're good to go then. Comcast is the second-fastest MSO in the U.S. (behind Cablevision) in terms of internet speeds, their national network is solid, their digital voice product is fine...not sure about TV though since I've never paid for my own TV service from anyone. |
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 baineschile2600 ways to livePremium join:2008-05-10 Sterling Heights, MI | reply to kapil Microsoft controls 85% of the operating software fos business. Is that too big?
UVerse and FiOs over the next few year will cut down Comcast's numbers; we just have to wait to see how much. |
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| reply to kapil said by kapil:Retail companies should all be on a level playing field....unlike the current clusterfuck where a handful of companies have bought their way into a monopoly position in both the wholesale and retail markets. Capitalism. |
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 kapilThe Kapil join:2000-04-26 Chicago, IL | reply to baineschile said by baineschile:Microsoft controls 85% of the operating software fos business. Is that too big? UVerse and FiOs over the next few year will cut down Comcast's numbers; we just have to wait to see how much. That's not a fair comparison. Microsoft doesn't STOP you from loading a different OS on a machine. But if you want an alternate ISP, you most likely only have one option...two if you're lucky.
Also, since you bring up Microsoft, the government DID in fact step in to prevent anti-competitive business practices....and the lawsuit dragged on and on...when GWB came into power, his business-friendly USDOJ found the quickest way out of litigation.
But, please, don't let facts get in the way of your talking points. -- »www.VoIPTrunk.com |
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 kapilThe Kapil join:2000-04-26 Chicago, IL | reply to baineschile I think the word you're looking for is Greed. Or Lobbying. One of the two...but it certainly isn't capitalism. -- »www.VoIPTrunk.com |
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 kapilThe Kapil join:2000-04-26 Chicago, IL | reply to fAcEtIOUs said by fAcEtIOUs:said by iansltx: they shouldn't be allowed to have a monopoly in any area if someone else wants to build the infrastructure. They don't as a matter of law. Any municipality in the US can OK competitors to Comcast. There are no exclusive franchise deals that prohibits over-builders - that is against the law. Aah. But we both know that's not how it plays out in reality.
1. MSOs induce the municipality into structuring the contract in a way that makes an overbuilder competitor highly unlikely.
2. Let's not forget the state-level franchises the telco-tv guys have been fighting (and winning) for that, by and large, make the local franchise agreements and local control and regulation of cable companies irrelevant.
The battle is over. The public, the consumer lost. With the current administration and the anti-big guy winds around the country there may just be one more fight left that can turn the tables...otherwise it may (and probably is) already be too late. -- »www.VoIPTrunk.com |
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 | reply to kapil 250 GB cap vs before not having it hrm wonder if the price gouging makes them money....... |
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 kapilThe Kapil join:2000-04-26 Chicago, IL | reply to iansltx said by iansltx:Then we're good to go then. Aah. Yes. The hallmark of the average American..."if I have mine, the rest of you can go to hell".
There is more at issue than just YOUR internet speed or phone line. The nation's infrastructure is crumbling. A handful of companies have bought their way on to the tallest mountain top and are now shooting at anyone who dares question them.
We're sorely lacking in broadband deployment and connecting the masses. In the "information economy" this stuff matters. There is a direct co-relation between why a 100 year old copper loop that's been depreciated down to $0 for decades costs more than it ever did and why India and China is kicking our ass. But there's far many of your type who look at their cable modem, judge that all is well, and go back to sleep until the next tea party. -- »www.VoIPTrunk.com |
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 kapilThe Kapil join:2000-04-26 Chicago, IL | reply to chronoss2009 Bandwidth costs have been cratering for years. Combined with the fact that backbone operators have been A) consolidating and B) are also the end user ISPs, the amount of traffic that actually leaves a network has also declined. Add in peering and BGP and the bandwidth costs to most ISPs are negligible.
The whole bandwidth hog brouhaha is a made-up myth...so that ISPs, who are also content owners in many cases, can protect their content businesses. It's all about protecting profits...with no basis in reality. -- »www.VoIPTrunk.com |
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| reply to kapil I'm not saying that there shouldn't be competition in the broadband market. I'm not saying that Congress should be at the beck and call of large corporations. However what I AM saying is that Comcast isn't AT&T, they didn't take money from the government to build infrastructure, they don't have a monopoly on anything and they shouldn't be punished for their success.
Do I want my internet bill to be lower? Absolutely! Do I want a faster connection? Yup. However breaking up Comcast or limiting its growth isn't the way to do that, at least from an infrastructure standpoint. As a content company, I'll grant that things are getting iffy. |
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