 ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4
1 edit | I remember when Comcast did the same thing..... And there was one very vocal supporter claiming it was not misleading at all....
Found it. Enjoy the reading.....
»Why on Earth... |
|
| All ads are misleading to a degree - that is the whole point of them. Ever hear of "buyer beware"? There are NO people that are fooled by ads except morons. And fixing the ad won't help them anyway.
Do you think this ad is 100% accurate?
»www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vfSFXKlnO0 |
|
| I work with plenty of people with engineering degrees, who have been in the field for years, have doctorates, and are extremely smart, and have no clue what the difference between last-mile fiber and core fiber is. Not everyone grew up with technology, or spends their free time researching it.
--
OASAASLLS |
|
| If they were born after 1950 they did. I'll give a pass to those older than 60. |
|
1 edit | I guess it was my turn to pay the troll toll.
--
OASAASLLS |
|
ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 | reply to fAcEtIOUs
Yes, to a degree. But let's face facts here. Having a fiber backbone and fiber such as Fios are two different things. |
|
| said by ptrowski: Having a fiber backbone and fiber such as Fios are two different things. Yes. I agree. But then the ad never SAID they were the same. Just stated a fact that fiber was involved without explicity explaining the difference between fiber backbone; FTTC; & FTTH. |
|
ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 Reviews:
 ·VOIPo
| said by fAcEtIOUs:said by ptrowski: Having a fiber backbone and fiber such as Fios are two different things. Yes. I agree. But then the ad never SAID they were the same. Just stated a fact that fiber was involved without explicity explaining the difference between fiber backbone; FTTC; & FTTH. Right. And why are those ads being run? To combat VZ's version of FTTH which the cable companies or other telco's do not do, hence the pretending going on.
--
"So, Lone Starr, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? »www.venganza.org |
|
 RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | reply to ptrowski
said by ptrowski:And there was one very vocal supporter claiming it was not misleading at all.... Found it. Enjoy the reading..... » Why on Earth... I wrote it...and just read it again. And still agree completely.
Comcast DOES have a fiber network service ALL their customers.
Interesting that the company that has a problem with them saying that only has fios in a limited # of places. (with expansion plans on hold now as well if what BBR has reported lately is accurate?)
BTW..shortly after that ran didn't you ditch your telco service for cable CHSI to?
I thought so. 
--
The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! |
|
|
|
RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | reply to ptrowski
said by ptrowski:Yes, to a degree. But let's face facts here. Having a fiber backbone and fiber such as Fios are two different things. ummm...true. Cept Comcast, TW and others have far more than just "a fiber backbone".
Fiber to the node takes the fiber right into a customers neighborhood..an investment the cable co's made LONG before
Verizon made theirs.
And, if you were to look at Verizon as a whole with their limited fios rollout..and comcast as a whole with a nationwide fiber to the node network..who really has more fiber in their networks?
IMO..verizon is on the shakier ground when you consider that
and their network consists of much more DSL based hsi service than fios.
And now..Comcast is well into their d3 rollout as well.
IMO..Comcast has much more right from an advertising standpoint to claim what they do than any of the other hsi providers.
--
The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! |
|
NormanSPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
kudos:4 Reviews:
 ·SONIC.NET
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to Rick
said by Rick:said by ptrowski:And there was one very vocal supporter claiming it was not misleading at all.... Found it. Enjoy the reading..... » Why on Earth... I wrote it...and just read it again. And still agree completely. Comcast DOES have a fiber network service ALL their customers. I am also served by fiber. Have been since I signed up for Pacific Bell DSL Service in February, 2001.
--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
|
| reply to Rick
said by Rick:said by ptrowski:And there was one very vocal supporter claiming it was not misleading at all.... Found it. Enjoy the reading..... » Why on Earth... I wrote it...and just read it again. And still agree completely. Comcast DOES have a fiber network service ALL their customers. Interesting that the company that has a problem with them saying that only has fios in a limited # of places. (with expansion plans on hold now as well if what BBR has reported lately is accurate?) BTW..shortly after that ran didn't you ditch your telco service for cable CHSI to? I thought so. By that token, if CC had a fiber connection between 2 switches ONLY in their core network and everything else was copper, their statement would still be true, right ? |
|
iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
 ·Comcast
| reply to Rick
But let's look at the reason Comcast is running the ads: Verizon promises MUCH better performance because their network is pure fiber to the home. So Comcast is trying to muddy the waters about FTTH vs. FTTN so they can keep performance-minded customers. |
|
RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | said by iansltx:But let's look at the reason Comcast is running the ads: Verizon promises MUCH better performance because their network is pure fiber to the home. So Comcast is trying to muddy the waters about FTTH vs. FTTN so they can keep performance-minded customers. Muddy the waters?
I don't know about you but I'm pretty darn happy with this Comcast performance..
Last Result:
Download Speed: 19473 kbps (2434.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 2023 kbps (252.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
and this isn't even on a D3 network which within a few months it will be.
People are putting WAY too much emphasis on FTTH. It's great technology but it's going to take a LONG time to get to a lot of places and a whole lot of money. Meanwhile..the huge defection of landlines and DSL customers continues.
It's not always the best technology that winds up winning. And, there's nothing really saying that ftth is better for all practical purposes. If people can get 50~100Mb on a d3 fiber/coaxial network..does it really matter ?
I don't think so.
--
The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! |
|
iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Comcast
| Prepare to be flamed by folks who want a connection with more than 10 Mbps up, or a connection with more than 5 Mbps up for under $100.
I have 22/5 Comcast now. It's great compared with any other internet connection I've used, short of my school's connection when you're plugged into Ethernet. However I'd switch in a heartbeat to a connection with 20 Mbps of upload speed. Makes shuttling around TIFF images of past school yearbooks (working on getting them put online) much easier. |
|
RickPremium,MVM
join:2001-02-06
Waterbury, CT | said by iansltx:Prepare to be flamed by folks who want a connection with more than 10 Mbps up, or a connection with more than 5 Mbps up for under $100. I have 22/5 Comcast now. It's great compared with any other internet connection I've used, short of my school's connection when you're plugged into Ethernet. However I'd switch in a heartbeat to a connection with 20 Mbps of upload speed. Makes shuttling around TIFF images of past school yearbooks (working on getting them put online) much easier. I respect your point but I really think when you look at the big picture..it's going to be D3 that wins out. It's going to be mass marketed on a big scale MUCH faster than Verizon will ever get their FTTH network rolled out. And, the cost to do it for them
is huge compared to the limited number of people who will really wind up all that impressed with the differences.
AND..look at even yourself. If you have 22/5 now..that means you ALSO have 50/10 available to you for UNDER 100.00.
But..you don't have that service. Why? I'd venture it's because of cost and for your purposes right now..the 22/5 at current prices serves you very well.
Look at what it will cost verizon or any telco to get ftth dug into every home in their service area. They need a LOT of customers to make up that multi billion dollar price tag.
And..by then who's to say that D3 isn't at 100/20 or 100/30 long before they even get ftth to someones residence?
I respect what verizon is doing but it comes with a big price tag and a lot of risk. And meanwhile..they continue to lose dsl and landline customers bigtime.
And AT&T? They've never even started with FTTH that I know of. This is really the cable co's game to lose...and companies like TW really should get on the bandwagon with D3 in a big way.
--
The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! |
|
| reply to canesfan2001
said by canesfan2001:I work with plenty of people with engineering degrees, who have been in the field for years, have doctorates, and are extremely smart, and have no clue what the difference between last-mile fiber and core fiber is. Not everyone grew up with technology, or spends their free time researching it. And for the most part people don't care. All most people care is that they can turn on their computer, open a web browser, go to google and surf.
Maybe do some IMing or work from home.
But most people don't really care.
Around where I live the choice is between cable and DSL. Cable is available up to 30Mbps but a lot of people are on 5-10Mbps DSL. It is good enough for them. |
|
ptrowskiGot Helix?Premium
join:2005-03-14
Putnam, CT
kudos:4 Reviews:
·VOIPo
| reply to Rick
said by Rick:said by ptrowski:And there was one very vocal supporter claiming it was not misleading at all.... Found it. Enjoy the reading..... » Why on Earth... I wrote it...and just read it again. And still agree completely. Comcast DOES have a fiber network service ALL their customers. Interesting that the company that has a problem with them saying that only has fios in a limited # of places. (with expansion plans on hold now as well if what BBR has reported lately is accurate?) BTW..shortly after that ran didn't you ditch your telco service for cable CHSI to? I thought so. Yes, about 10 months ago. Pros are that the cable company in my area provides up to 10 mb down and 1 mb up for $70 a month. Do I consistently hit those speeds? Not at all. Now my AT&T DSL was the elite package, which was around $40 a month for 6/512 but it never waivered. So I am on the fence.
--
"So, Lone Starr, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage? »www.venganza.org |
|
| reply to iansltx
said by iansltx:Prepare to be flamed by folks who want a connection with more than 10 Mbps up, or a connection with more than 5 Mbps up for under $100. Cablevision offers up to 15Mbps up on their 100Mbps tier.
Verizon doesn't even offer a 100Mbps tier. |
|
iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Comcast
| reply to Rick
50/10 is NOT available to me under $100. I don't have CATV. I don't want to spend $120 (which si what I'd be spending) on internet service that still has that pesky 250GB cap. If I'm paying that much for internet I sure as heck am gonna use it.
AT&T U-Verse has fiber, just not much of it, and without any speed advantage over their anemic VDSL product.
Fiber is the future; cable will eventually have to replace their plant with fiber. However if you have an HFC plant then by all means use it. Just realize that a fiber competitor can win against you on upload speeds, until you get upstream channel bonding in the field. At which point 10GEPON will be out and cable loses, plain and simple. At that point even a 1GHz plant full of DOCSIS channels won't be able to match the capacity of one PON node. |
|
