Topic 'Personal POP in town' in forum 'Wireless Service Providers' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Personal-POP-in-town-23293027 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 07:20:53 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 07:20:53 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23330344 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23330344 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:34:54 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23329401
said by nevtxjustin:

said by nunya:

Personally, I'd rather have a T1 than a 10M DSL or cable connection any day.
I have several 7 Meg DSL lines in town, 10 Meg from 20 miles to the north, 30 Meg FIOS from 15 miles east, and 10 Meg DSL from 14 miles south. These are all from different telcos, so I have lots of redundancy.
Just curious, and also to reiterate my question above, how are you accessing these lines? Do you have an agreement with local businesses to run a link from their building and put an antenna on their roof? Are any of these direct from a telephone pole like mentioned above? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23329401 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:03:27 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23320821 said by nunya:

Personally, I'd rather have a T1 than a 10M DSL or cable connection any day.
I have several 7 Meg DSL lines in town, 10 Meg from 20 miles to the north, 30 Meg FIOS from 15 miles east, and 10 Meg DSL from 14 miles south. These are all from different telcos, so I have lots of redundancy.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23320821 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:29:31 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23320382
The subscriber is normally required to provide a suitable ground source. Any equipment is usually required to be at least 36" (climbing space) from the base of the pole. Some require more space.
Some times it is as simple as placing a Keptel on a trailer stake. The Keptel (SNI, NID, Etc...) contains the demarcation point where the phone company is no longer responsible for the service.

I'm sure the cable company would do the same thing. Either way, get everything in writing. The cable company is less willing to negotiate resale / other use into their service.

Don't forget, you'll need a power source if you plan on having equipment in the field.

As far as T1 goes, you're paying for a prioritized connection or possible frame relay. You get an SLA. You get pro-active maintenance. You get maintenance spares. You get priority dispatch even if it involves a call out (I can't tell you how many times I've been woke up for a T1). On a cut cable, as mentioned above, there really is a "list" of priority circuits that go back up first. T1's would be included.
Personally, I'd rather have a T1 than a 10M DSL or cable connection any day.
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Would the phone company bring down a DSL line at a telephone pole for me? Doubt it.


Yes. Only if the pole is on your property or easement. You would not be allowed to attach to the pole itself. You would have to locate your equipment next to the pole.

I'm assuming you do not have contiguous property or easement from your location to the serving pole?
Thanks for the information. No, I don't have contiguous property but now that I know its possible I might be able to find someone else who does.

Do you know the approximate cost for them to do this? Is it a couple hundred dollars? Also, would the cable company do the same thing?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23319659 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:00:34 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23319298 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23319298 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:59:16 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23319231 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23319231 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:48:23 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23318418 said by jason13086:

Its not like I am reselling bandwidth or running a business.

However, it does bring up a good point I was wanting to ask. Why are T1 lines so obscenely expensive? In general a residential connection has many times the bandwidth at a fraction of the cost.
Well, yeah you really are effectively reselling bandwidth regardless of any semantic argument. Nothing wrong with that at all. Though you may run afoul with some TOS agreements/disagreements prohibiting the reselling.

T1 lines, or any other dedicated service is expensive because its dedicated and the cost isn't amortized across many, many users. When you resell a T1 line, you are recovering your cost with many subscribers that would otherwise have to pay the same high cost you would.

As for a guaranteed uptime? Hmmm...all that means you might go to the head of the pairs splicing list when a backhoe digs up a buried telco feeder. You're still going to be done a few hours.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23318418 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:18:14 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23317813 Would the phone company bring down a DSL line at a telephone pole for me? Doubt it.


Yes. Only if the pole is on your property or easement. You would not be allowed to attach to the pole itself. You would have to locate your equipment next to the pole.

I'm assuming you do not have contiguous property or easement from your location to the serving pole?
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Dedicated - like killa200 described and
Shared - Thats every connection that isn't Dedicated.

fyi - The WSFN folks expect shared connections to be dedicated access, and that's the big bandwidth flap.
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However, it does bring up a good point I was wanting to ask. Why are T1 lines so obscenely expensive? In general a residential connection has many times the bandwidth at a fraction of the cost. Is it solely because a residential connection generally only uses a very small percentage of available bandwidth?

The connection is business grade, meant for business traffic. It comes with a speed guarantee and uptime guarantee, as well as usually coming with line monitoring and pro-active plan of repair for the line. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23300925 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:54:22 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23297201 said by jason13086:

Why solicit a wisp when I have you guys? :)

Because they could sell you a residential connection and you wouldn't have to worry about anything else?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23297201 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:22:29 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23297139 said by wirelessdog:

John,

You missed the key part:

"want a standard residential connection, and also want to pay as such."
Its not like I am reselling bandwidth or running a business.

However, it does bring up a good point I was wanting to ask. Why are T1 lines so obscenely expensive? In general a residential connection has many times the bandwidth at a fraction of the cost. Is it solely because a residential connection generally only uses a very small percentage of available bandwidth?

said by mogooder:

Why don't you find a WISP in the area to help you obtain service.
Frank
Why solicit a wisp when I have you guys? :)

Also, I do have a personal and professional interest in wireless technology. I don't have any problems with the wireless part (so far), just simply obtaining a network connection.

So again I ask, is my previous post more or less correct and generally the way things are done?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23297139 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:11:23 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23295679 Frank
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You missed the key part:

"want a standard residential connection, and also want to pay as such."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23294984 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:19:05 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23294612
For a small wisp they could share a single connection and split the bandwidth. For a larger wisp, they would get one or more T1 lines installed and probably come up with a contract with the business owner. Is that how it works?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23294612 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 03:32:01 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23294533 said by jason13086:

If I go to a verizion switching station (or whatever the local data centers are called....
Its called million dollar insurance policy time.

What we do lots of times is offer...
1) Reimburse the biz owner for use of their connection.
2) Put our own connection in and offer something
3) Offer computer repair
4) Offer free internet service
5) Give them an IP camera

Lots of ways you can work out a deal.

And ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23294533 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:12:10 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23294220 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23294220 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:59:36 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23294154 --
"thats what i need, a digi cam for when i need to take pictures. im not going to go around taking photos and stuff." Julio]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23294154 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:45:40 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23294138
I'm working out the RF details right now for the link, there are a limited number of landing points but I could probably just add another hop to get where I need to be.

My question is about the getting a connection at an office building part. If I just walk up to the building manager, whether it be a hospital, post office, cabinet factory, or whatever and tell them I want to put an antenna on their roof and set up an ethernet connection there so I can have internet, they are probably just going to say no.

If I go to a verizion switching station (or whatever the local data centers are called....I'm not sure how to go about obtaining this information), I'd probably have to put an antenna on their roof, and I have a feeling they wouldn't even consider it unless $ is involved, not just a residential connection. (I suspect this is why the first poster thinks I want something for nothing).

Would the phone company bring down a DSL line at a telephone pole for me? Doubt it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23294138 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:40:11 EDT Re: Personal POP in town http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Personal-POP-in-town-23293559
You would need a good LOS, though.

Is this in Edmonds, or some place else?
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...and also want to pay as such.
said by wirelessdog:

And yet another person that wants something for nothing.
I am trying to reconcile these two statements...

Hmmm...
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Are there any other alternatives? I just want a standard residential connection, and also want to pay as such.

Also, is it possible to get the cost lower than a residential connection (or similar cost with higher bandwidth) if you can backhaul to some type of major hub? Probably not realistic but just curious.

Edit: Comcast cable stops about 2000' from my house. They want I think 15k to extend it, which isn't going to happen. If I could get a wireless link to the cable head, would comcast bring a connection out for me? Its just the standard house every couple of acres. If it did happen I'm thinking there would need to be an antenna with a cable modem mounted on a telephone pole. Somehow I think my chances are low to convince them to do that. It took a number of phone calls to even get them to tell me where the cable stopped and which houses had service...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Personal-POP-in-town-23293027 Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:13:21 EDT