Topic 'Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much?' in forum 'Canadian Broadband' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23294306 en Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:30:01 EDT Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:30:01 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23425635
The day a court upholds Verizon's AUP is the day that I'll agree with anything you have to say on this matter.
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What kind of sounds, the 'breathing' of his suit or The Imperial March?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23421678 Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:16:19 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23421419
SO all ye nay Sayers want Americans to be able to come to Canada and unhinder the net and make net neutrality happen eh?

OH like this you mean:
"Verizon has changed their FiOS AUP effective yesterday, and added an interesting new clause to their specific examples that we're all familiar with: 'it is a violation of the Agreement and this AUP to ... post off-topic information on message boards, chat rooms or social networking sites.' At this point, every FiOS-based Slashdot user is breaking the new AUP."

the next step in rmeoving the voice of freedom and dmeocracy the gaul right after november 11th that they do this down there its sickening.

NOW 1st get silly pron surveillance ( you know legalize DPI )
[ i wonder how many perverts they gonna catch with it anyhow for all the money MUCH like that CAM law that has seen what total of 2 arrests or was it ONE in 1.5 years]
Bring in UUB to get rid of the poor on the net that might give voice to the cause agaisnt them......then
Wait a little add a heavy duty copyright law enact ACTA and during the last two steps add AUP's similar to verizon so NO ONE CAN OPPOSE or speak out.

[darth vader sounds now]
[emperor laughing]
NOW WITNESS THE POWER OF THIS FULLY ARMED AND OPERATIONAL COPYRIGHT]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23421419 Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:33:25 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23420604
If it was about paying our fair share, the link cost would drop and people who only use 10GB/mo would pay nearly nothing for their line.

And Bell wouldn't have to charge 100x the actual costs for overages.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23420604 Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:12:35 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23420434 said by tjmartin:

Also like it or not, broadband is more affordable and at the same time you can get truly unlimited data.Put enough people who put the "unlimited" claim to the test on any network and you will soon discover that "unlimited" doesn't *truly* mean unlimited... the viability of "unlimited" is a statistical illusion that breaks down when usage models go out of bounds.

As for the higher cost of broadband in Canada, there are factors besides the incumbents' greed that are part of the "problem", one of them being that transit (Peer1, Cogent, etc.) on the North side of the border is more expensive so even the most altruistic Canadian ISPs start with a fundamental economic handicap against USA counterparts.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23420434 Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:44:31 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23419696
Let me ask y'all this: Can you go to Telus/Bell/Rogers and get an unlimited data plan (and for about $60/month to boot)?? I dont think so *laugh* Especially not when it comes to cell phone data...and I believe that "Unlimited Internet" in terms of broadband (DSL especially) is pretty well non existant (unless you have a grandfathered plan on Bell)

What it boils down to is in the USA here, there is more competition, yes I agree that most of the time there are geographical issues, but bottom line there is more competition than in Canada. I imagine that if people could leave Bell/Rogers/Telus and go to a more economical provider, they would, but that is not the case sadly. All because the CRTC is kissing those companies behinds and not doing anything about it!!

Taken from the CRTC Website: "As an independent organization, the CRTC works to serve the needs and interests of citizens, industries, interest groups and the government." - Think they left the "citizens" out of the equation or so it seems

Also like it or not, broadband is more affordable and at the same time you can get truly unlimited data. Something unheard of in Canada (something Ive stated before as well eg. my AT&T DSL connection)

In the case of Adam Savage's dilemma Rogers is still to blame. Im not sure (at least I'll admit when I'm wrong) or not, but I imagine if Adam were to travel to another country, he would have not gotten a bill like that.

Point being Canada can learn a thing for two from the US in terms of broadband affordability (something Ive stated before as well).

Im making a big stink about this, cause as an "dual citizen" it burns me up how the same goods/services that are available here in the USA are either almost non existant or cost much more all because of the CRTC's communist ways]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23419696 Tue, 01 Dec 2009 11:32:56 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23413525 said by tjmartin:

Which means that its not AT&T's fault, ultimately Rogers is to blame because they are the ones who make AT&T pay outrageous rates for AT&T's customers to roam on their network/use their towers...Thats why roaming rates in Canada are so high period...It has nothing to AT&T being greedy...its Rogers (ahem, I mean Robbers) Does that mean the myth of expensive wireless in the USA is confirmed, plausible or busted?

In any case, $11k for 9GB is pretty absurd when contract rates for Fido/Rogers data plans are "only" $30/GB.

But there are plenty of stories of people raking in some absurd roaming charges from stuff like their blackberries or other such devices periodically checking for new mail while traveling... and that's not only from Canada.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23413525 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:56:06 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23413471
Remember Fido ? It has perfectly reasonable USA roaming costs. That wss one of the first things to go when rogers got Fido and raised the roaming fees b orders of magnitudes, unless you bought a roaming package (which brought the costs down to a level that was still higher than what fido charged without a package).

Yes, the roaming charges by Rogers to a foreign network are higher tha what Rogers charges Fido as an MVNO. But it is the user's network that milks him for all that money.

The EU passed a law to control roaming fees chrged to end users. They didn't have to control the roaming costs charged between networks.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23413471 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:47:00 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23412808 said by Rob:

Uh..

»www.wftv.com/money/17390103/detail.html

»www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/26/my···nst-att/

»www.arcdesignconsulting.com/ipho···ror.html

I don't know why you keep putting Canada down. They suffer the same problems we suffer with the mega corporations.
Rob: Your Techcrunch link is an invalid point...

If you read the story you'll notice that it says: "The source of the recent flurry of AT&T tweets is Adam Savage of MythBusters fame, who tweets that for “a few hours of web surfing in Canada” he was charged a whopping $11,000. AT&T is apparently claiming that Savage managed to download 9 gigabytes in Canada using his USB data connection (which he calls “frakking impossible“)."

Which means that its not AT&T's fault, ultimately Rogers is to blame because they are the ones who make AT&T pay outrageous rates for AT&T's customers to roam on their network/use their towers...Thats why roaming rates in Canada are so high period...It has nothing to AT&T being greedy...its Rogers (ahem, I mean Robbers)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23412808 Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:00:34 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23410913 said by Rob:

Uh..

I don't know why you keep putting Canada down. They suffer the same problems we suffer with the mega corporations.
Yeah, but if you look at the Canadian story ($83k), it's way more than twice the TOTAL amount of your 3 stories put together! And our currencies are fairly close!!

Canadian telcos really love to screw you royally, especially when it comes to roaming charges, LD charges, air time.

Heck, when I was in Cleveland, I checked Walmart for a Virgin phone. Entry level $20, air time 10 cents per minute. From what I could see, no LD charges. Here: entry level phone $50 + 10 cents/minute airtime (just recently dropped from 20 cents/minute airtime) PLUS 25 cents/minute Long Distance as applicable.

Once you go into mobile data plans, well ...
The stick comes for approximately $40 TIP for 500 Meg, plus 3 cents/megabyte beyond per month on a 36 month contract (otherwise no contract + pay $230 TIP for the stick + those same great rates :p ).

Forgot: It's actually cheaper for me to buy a PAYG phone in the USA, call back to Canada until my $20 card runs out, and give the phone away rather than using MY phone to call back here.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23410913 Sun, 29 Nov 2009 19:07:17 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23410413
»www.wftv.com/money/17390103/detail.html

»www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/26/my···nst-att/

»www.arcdesignconsulting.com/ipho···ror.html

I don't know why you keep putting Canada down. They suffer the same problems we suffer with the mega corporations.
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»www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22262994/

This story is a couple years old, but sadly this kind of thing is still going on today. Its indirectly related to these forums.

No American carrier/company would be able to get away with this. Your bill seldom gets over $400 or so cause they cut you off

Its just sad that canadians have to put up with this kind of BS]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23409723 Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:51:02 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23402088 said by Rob:

said by tjmartin:

Truth is when it comes to technology the US is better than Canada hands down!
For being the country that invented the Internet, you would think we'd be the model country when it comes to Internet access to our citizens.

The reality is that the U.S. is a few years behind Canada. American ISPs are seeing green with the idea of low caps, no competition, and less user privacy.
I do not know what your talking about.....I have AT&T/BellSouth DSL and I do not have any cap issues.....If I did I would have not signed up with them]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23402088 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:41:10 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23401722 said by tjmartin:

Im gonna go out on a limb and say that since you sound like your ok with the idea of cdn companies scrapping the whole unlimited internet idea, you must be a shareholder of either bell, telus or rogers. The notion of "unlimited" only works so far as the quantity of morons on your network who use their connection to 100% capacity seemingly every waking hour simply "because they can" is a completely insignificant proportion of the subscriber base.

Setting even a pretty low UBB rate like $0.03/GB effectively takes care of the "simply because we can" group... no need to do hostile gouging like what Bell is trying to pull off on wholesalers.

More about my take on AHSSPI/GAS/UBB here:
»Re: Question for DSL Co CEO's - Competition Bureau do u use it?

UBB doesn't have to mean higher costs even for moderately heavy (~100GB/month) subscribers, it all depends on cost (re-)distribution.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23401722 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:13:00 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23401615 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23401615 Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:36:00 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23381408 said by tjmartin:

Im gonna play the dumb role here for a sec so forgive me, but whats UBB mean anyways?? Usage-Based Billing.

You use more, you pay more. Just like power, gas, beer, etc.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23381408 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:32:45 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23381339 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23381339 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:14:30 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23381216 said by tjmartin:

You have more companies in the US here who offer broadband internet more so than in Canada. Canada has what 3 major companies? *laughs* There isn't any functional difference between a large group of different companies owning effective geographic monopolies over their smaller operating territories and a single large monopoly owning an effective geographic monopoly over entire states/provinces: in either case, consumers have only at most two choices in any given area... you're just trading twelve of something for a dozen of the same.

Having more companies does not give consumers any more choice when there is no territorial overlap between them. The fact that there is very little profit to be made from invading an established player's territory pretty much ensures that most companies will stick to what they have until they get bought out by a larger company that wants the territory.

The US government split "Ma Bell" into dozens of regional Bells and now they have almost all merged back together under AT&T and Verizon. Similar thing is happening with USA cable and Comcast/TW, they're buying out local cablecos to grow their coverage... less expensive than building their own and then stripping the subscriber base away from the existing cablecos - just like Shaw did with Mountain Cable.

said by tjmartin:

In this day and age, knowing how the Internet is becoming more of a staple in everyday life, WTF are they capping usage anyways...doesnt make any sense
ISPs are in the business to make money... but morons who use their internet 24/7 at max speed (or any disproportionate extent) have a direct impact on the ISPs' bottom line so they have to draw the line somewhere. Inflated base prices, caps, UBB, throttling, over-subscription, congestion, etc. are all things the ISP and last-mile providers have to weigh carefully to maintain a reasonable balance between costs and QoS.

In NA, QoS is king... everyone is expecting their 10M/1 broadband connection to deliver exactly 10M/1 on speedtests at any time of day or an avalanche of whining ensues. In most countries with affordable 100+Mbps internet, not being to push even 10Mbps during peak hour is considered normal because they embraced congestion as a cost control mechanism. Here, there would be hell to pay for that because NA people feel strongly entitled to the maximum of anything attached to a price tag.

said by tjmartin:

Also whats the big idea of them capping Canadians broadband usage?? If you ask me they all are just playing the greedy "because we can" role and the thing is the so called CRTC isnt doing jack sh** about it either
Personally, I would scrap the whole notion of caps and go straight UBB, billing usage right off the first byte. The difference here is that the base fee would be completely devoided of any implicit transit charges (only pays for the fixed recurring non-transit operating expenses such as wages, power, property taxes, maintenance, billing, etc.) and the actual per-GB charge would be in-line with amortized network upgrade costs, somewhere in the area of $0.04/GB.

Under this regime, GAS-ADSL1/2 could cost around $15/month regardless of speed (maybe $20/month for VDSL2 and $25/month for FTTH speeds as an NGN exceptions), enabling wholesale ISPs to build more finely customized offers. This would actually mean savings of over $2-5/month for the ~80% of us who currently do less than 100GB/month.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23381216 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:45:06 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23380832
Also whats the big idea of them capping Canadians broadband usage?? If you ask me they all are just playing the greedy "because we can" role and the thing is the so called CRTC isnt doing jack sh** about it either

In this day and age, knowing how the Internet is becoming more of a staple in everyday life, WTF are they capping usage anyways...doesnt make any sense

If you ask me the people who run the CRTC and those major telecommunication companies up there are a few fries short of a happy meal]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23380832 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:22:19 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23380766 said by tjmartin:

You forgot to mention the fact that competition in canada is non existant even with the CRTC in place....There needs to be some American competition up there to show the Canadian companies how to run their telecommunication businesses Where is the competition between carriers in the USA? There is practically none... USA carriers are playing pretty much the same oligopolistic games as our dominant last-mile carriers are playing here.

Nobody wants to be the 3rd or 4th last-mile carrier because each extra competitor makes it that much harder to gain enough subscribers to recover costs within any remotely reasonable (10-20 years) time frame.

If you look around, there pretty much aren't any significant 3rd-party (literally) infrastructure deployments anywhere in North-America.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23380766 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:06:40 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23380685 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23380685 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:50:00 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23380576 said by tjmartin:

I have AT&T Fastaccess 1.5M and I have no cap...I havent heard of an ISP down here that has a cap, unlike canada
Comcast has a 250GB cap.

TW is trying to roll caps out again.

Surewest has a 400GB cap I believe.

Qwest has a 250GB "soft" cap.

There's more than that. And many others will eventually turn to caps.
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CheckSite.us | YourIP.us | Reverseip.us ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23380576 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:29:01 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23380565 said by tjmartin:

What needs to happen the CTRC needs to burn in hell. Its only then will Canadians start to see decent pricing and unlimited internet. Who would be stopping Bell from charging $10/GB UBB and $40/month for GAS to wholesaler if the CRTC wasn't there to hold tariffs?

Who would force Bell to share phone loops with ISPs that want to have their own DSLAMs in the COs without the CRTC?

Without the CRTC, the lease rates on everything owned or operated by incumbents would increase unchecked and make competition essentially impossible.

No CRTC = no more reasonably priced competition for the foreseeable future.

If you look at the few phone-and-cable-free alternatives out there, you can see that per-Mbps fees are often much higher than what we take for granted today.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23380565 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:27:11 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23380550 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23380550 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:24:04 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23380305 said by tjmartin:

Truth is when it comes to technology the US is better than Canada hands down!
For being the country that invented the Internet, you would think we'd be the model country when it comes to Internet access to our citizens.

The reality is that the U.S. is a few years behind Canada. American ISPs are seeing green with the idea of low caps, no competition, and less user privacy.
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Bell and others are still charging 600 bucks a month for a T-1 at 1.544 Megabit dedicated. They charge this for two reasons; 1. It costs a lot to provide, and 2. because they can.

How much do you really think you will have to pay for 5 Megabits dedicated? Or 10 Megabits dedicated?

You aren't paying for 3 Megabits dedicated, or 10 Megabits dedicated, you're paying for a shared environment. And when you're paying for shared, you really care how many people you are sharing with and how much they are using, so you get your fair share. The reality is that all the people you are sharing with are using more and more capacity, which leaves less for you to run you bandwidth wide open 24/7.

Wake up and smell the coffee!!
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You pay for 3mbit, you get 3mbit. You pay for 10, you get 10. Regardless of how much you use it, you pay for that speed, you should be able to use 24/7 as much as you like. It isn't your fault your ISP neglected their network and instead of upgrade, they decide, well you paid for 10mbit, but you can only use it x amount of gb.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23380157 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:48:28 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23380140 said by tjmartin:

What needs to happen the CTRC needs to burn in hell. Its only then will Canadians start to see decent pricing and unlimited internet. The reality is that unlimited is dead.

There are still a small number of providers hanging on to the ragged shirttails of unlimited, but that's only because their upstreams are still working the regulatory issues required to get usage based services implemented.

Anyone working in the real world is charged by capacity used, and bills by capacity used. If that is done right, it doesn't have to mean expensive, just fair.

Where you are correct is that the CRTC is trying to allow punitive UBB, which is ridiculous.

Ignoring the CRTC for a minute, UBB is not unfair by definition. UBB is quite reasonable when you consider that I downloaded 80GB in the last two days and my Mum downloaded about 20MB.

Unfortunately, we are a very small market controlled by a narrow duopoly (plus a few smaller players) when it comes to new wired services. Its always been that way and I don't see it changing soon. Simple economics at work.
George
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What needs to happen the CTRC needs to burn in hell. Its only then will Canadians start to see decent pricing and unlimited internet. I laugh when I hear Canadians talk a bunch of smack about Americans, about how Canada is better than the US in terms of...

Truth is when it comes to technology the US is better than Canada hands down!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23380083 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:25:09 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23365758
For everyone's information: An organization called SaveOurNet.ca publishes many updates regarding the issues of Canadian broadband. They also have a petition; they're attempting to put pressure on Tony Clement to enforce complete net neutrality principles (»saveournet.ca/TonyClement).

Canada definitely needs more choice and no throttling options for ISPs.
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Marie]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23365758 Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:58:00 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23344597 said by Noname9:

I rather go back to dial up than deal with the Rogers or Bell. If it comes to that I will move to dial up. Unfortunately, as much as P2P throttling to 15-30KB/s 10+ hours per day sucks, it still beats dial-up hands-down. Watching the odd Youtube or other streaming video every now and then on dial-up would be an hair-pulling experience.

If I went back to dial-up, I would need a dedicated phone line and a dial-up account somewhere. Between spending $25/month on dial-up ($22/month for the land line, most of which still going to Bell + $3/month 295.ca account) and $30/month DSL, DSL wins: even at the slowest throttled speed, DSL is still at least 3X faster for practically the same price.

And before you bring caps/UBB into the picture, do note that with dial-up, you can only barely get to 15GB/month by staying connected 24/7... that's not even half the usage people around here consider normal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23344597 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:39:45 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23344188 said by MacGyver:

In the last 10 years, the majority of small independent ISP's disappeared, and the big cablecos and telcos have taken over the ISP business. There is little choice for the consumer. Profits of said big companies trump the idea of empowering customers. Current regulatory and legislative structure has entrenched this position.
I rather go back to dial up than deal with the Rogers or Bell. If it comes to that I will move to dial up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23344188 Sun, 15 Nov 2009 12:18:52 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23323941
I'll admit that it won't be easy to find a decent one. The UK isn't even on my list, their laws are insane. I haven't researched France yet since I have basic stats already, but they do have serious issues (plus, isn't there still some military service requirement?).

Every country has its quirks. Canada is arguably "passable" right now, and rates quite high overall, but it's heading in the wrong direction and going fast.

I'm sure I'll find a few better options. I'll just have to look everywhere and finish learning my 3rd language before I can get started on a 4th, so I've still got three years here at least unless I find a country compatible with my current languages.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23323941 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:37:20 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23323863
If Bell knew that it would lose 100,000 customers because of throttling, it wouldn't have throttled. It is exactly because it knows that people will accept throttling, UBB, slow speeds, antique copper that it knows it can get away with charging a lot of money, offer ever reduced services and delay upgrades until cable is so far ahead that Bell's growth starts to be hampered by higher churn rates.

Same happened when I was with Videotron. They had piss poor customer service (understatement) and didn't care because all Pedalo saw at the end of a quarter was continued growth. As long as they gaine 1 more customer than they lost in a quarter, the top managers were happy.

Bell kows it can get away with outsourcing customer surpport to some distant continent where drones are programmed to answer only a few limited questions. People are locked into contracts and they won't leave after having endured such a call.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23323863 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:43:50 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23323843
Canada's got it pretty good and the only country I'd rather live in would be Sweden.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23323843 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:33:36 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23319902 slimeblob!

Your absolutely right! I can say the same about big manufacturing companies, steel producers and power generation industries.

Top of Canadian society is shameless and corrupt. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23319902 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:38:46 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23307865
We suffer (or will soon suffer) from extremely low monthly caps, severe throttling (less than 10% of normal speed during the time of day you'd normally be using your connection), privacy issues, basically no competition, and obviously, shameless and very public corruption in the government entities supposed to regulate broadband.

Canada currently has piss-poor conditions when it comes to broadband internet access and, instead of improving, it's actually more likely to become much much worse very quickly.

TSI is the best option I know of right now. Electronic Box seems like an excellent alternative around here.

I can't really give you any decent ideas given the country we live in. Personally, with things being the way they are (with broadband, health care, absurd laws, etc) I'm strongly considering moving to another country.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23307865 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:19:23 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23298798 said by Telek:

If Acanac was able to offer higher DSL speeds I think I would exclusively be with them. Anyone know why they are stuck at 5/.6? I believe it's because Bell has been able to ignore a CRTC request to offer matching speeds for wholesale. Instead of providing a tariff, we got distracted by UBB/throttling.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23298798 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:48:05 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23298560 I am worried soon Broadband will become $30-$60 a month with 10mbit, but 20gig limit, really bad caps like Australia. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23298560 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:54:32 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23298195
For the actual internet service Rogers is more expensive but faster. For $50/mo after tax you get 10/.5 with Rogers or $34/mo for 5/.64 with Acanac that clocks in at 4/.62 for me. Latency is around 12ms with Rogers and 24ms with Acanac (for the majority of use don't notice the difference).

Interestingly enough Bell seems to have 12/1 for the same price as Rogers 10.5 plus added perks... don't know anything about reviews on that though.

If Acanac was able to offer higher DSL speeds I think I would exclusively be with them. Anyone know why they are stuck at 5/.6?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23298195 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:36:15 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23295171 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23295171 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:16:00 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23294963 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23294963 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:10:00 EDT Re: Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23294524
As for your concerns with our support please let me know how I can help. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23294524 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:54:49 EDT Why does Broadband in Canada suck so much? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23294306 What you guys think?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Why-does-Broadband-in-Canada-suck-so-much-23294306 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:22:30 EDT