Are you a patent violator? in Webmasters and Developers http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r23298430 en Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:24:48 EDT Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:24:48 EDT Re: Are you a patent violator? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23330425 Goober : IBM internally kept it as a trade secret. That's a pretty common approach. Still pay out the inventor award to encourage/reward innovation, but not file a patent application.

Why give away the know-how, if it can't (relatively) easily be determined from the product itself.

Defensive publications are only for use when it's an innovation the company doesn't want to spend money patenting and doesn't care if others enter the market. The company itself just doesn't want to be squeezed out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23330425 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:51:10 EDT Re: Are you a patent violator? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23330399 McSummation :
said by Goober See Profile :

Still, a patent isn't necessary. A defensive publication would do the trick really.
One of my works (while at IBM) got filed as a "trade secret". We didn't want our competitors to know how we did some of the things we were doing and that's the best way of handling that. The code had "easter eggs" hidden in it so that we could demonstrate in court that we knew things about the code that our competitor didn't. (We fully expected to be in court, but didn't.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23330399 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:45:48 EDT Re: Are you a patent violator? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23330143 Goober : I was referring to your comment, "if I don't patent it, somebody else will."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23330143 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:57:50 EDT Re: Are you a patent violator? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23330126 Steve :
said by Goober See Profile :

Still, a patent isn't necessary. A defensive publication would do the trick really.
Not exactly. In the narrow case of the thing in question, sure, but when little companies patent stuff like this, it's not just to defend, but to trade.

I have done work for a small medical manufacturing company, and they patented everything they could think of, and they hated it. When the big guys came a' callin, the little guy had something to trade, and after a big waste of time and lots of money, they all ended up just keeping on doing business.

Without those patents, they'd have been screwed by the big guys.

Steve
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Stephen J. Friedl | Unix Wizard | Microsoft Security MVP | Orange County, California USA | my web site]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23330126 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:55:00 EDT Re: Are you a patent violator? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23330111 Goober : Still, a ptent isn't necessary. A defensive publication would do the trick really.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23330111 Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:51:08 EDT Re: Are you a patent violator? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23328996 Steve :
said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

if you hate them, then why have 6 of your own?
The short answer is: if I don't patent it, somebody else will, and I know that I won't be abusing it. But to leave it alone means you can get screwed by some dirtball down the road who has less scruples than me.

This is an enormous fact of life in the commercial world, and nobody likes it. But it's ignored only at one's peril.

Steve
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Stephen J. Friedl | Unix Wizard | Microsoft Security MVP | Orange County, California USA | my web site]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23328996 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:57:44 EDT Re: Are you a patent violator? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23328870 McSummation : I have 6 because that is IBM's way of protecting itself from the unscrupulous people that patent things they didn't invent, then demand payment from the people that did.

BTW, the first one is for transferring a word processing file from a main frame into a PC or PC to mainframe. How many of you have done that and didn't realize you were using my patent? ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23328870 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:33:23 EDT Re: Are you a patent violator? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23327614 hottboiinnc : if you hate them, then why have 6 of your own?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23327614 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:17:45 EDT Re: Are you a patent violator? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23320692 cowboyro :
said by McSummation See Profile :

However, "prior art" seems to mean nothing when it comes to software patents. There have been all sorts of patents filed, and granted, for things that were in use many years before the filing.
It means nothing even when other patents are issued - like patenting the wheel... »news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1418165.stm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23320692 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:04:09 EDT Re: Are you a patent violator? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23319445 PToN : The entire patent system is absurd... It needs to be recoded and adapted to new business models and a modern society.

All of my web apps use Ajax]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23319445 Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:27:45 EDT Re: Are you a patent violator? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23317805 McSummation : However, "prior art" seems to mean nothing when it comes to software patents. There have been all sorts of patents filed, and granted, for things that were in use many years before the filing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23317805 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:45:08 EDT Re: Are you a patent violator? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23317387 Steve :
said by Jigglyware See Profile :

Given the state of the patent system, I'm certain that even a simple 'Hello World' program violates at least a dozen software patents.
Maybe, but prior art goes way back :-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23317387 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:21:23 EDT Re: Are you a patent violator? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23317380 Jigglyware : Given the state of the patent system, I'm certain that even a simple 'Hello World' program violates at least a dozen software patents.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23317380 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:20:10 EDT Re: Are you a patent violator? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23298845 McSummation :
said by drew See Profile :

I hate IP patents.
Even though I have 6 software patents, I hate them, too. I wish all software patents would be declared null and void.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23298845 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:58:58 EDT Are you a patent violator? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23298430 drew : »www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2009/11/···-patent/

Heh.

I hate IP patents.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,23298430 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:30:15 EDT