Topic 'Bell Network Management' in forum 'TekSavvy' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Bell-Network-Management-23298857 en Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:57:56 EDT Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:57:56 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23311585 said by Abattoir:

Downloading Season 3 of Grey's Anatomy via a torrent file on TVTorrents.com, however, is illegal in Canada.
So is using a PVR or VCR to record for time-shifting purposes. This is why the current law needs reform.

As you say, P2P is neither good or evil. Not you but it gets old fast hearing some say this should be or not be allowed. Protocol based throttling should be used as a last resort. There are better ways to manage congestion more evenly amongst users.

Anyhow, have a good one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23311585 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:27:15 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23311498 said by the cerberus:

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P2P is not illegal. P2P does not have to do with copyright infringement!! wow(world of warcraft) updates use p2p. vuse uses p2p. linux distros use p2p. you cannot say any protocol is bad. all protocols can be used to download non/copyright material. why punish the protocol?
Of course P2P is not illegal. It is just a protocol, a method of transferring data. Downloading Season 3 of Grey's Anatomy via a torrent file on TVTorrents.com, however, is illegal in Canada. This is what I was addressing. I also agree that there is no justifiable reason for considering any traffic using a particular protocol to be illegal.

There is a popular belief that all downloading is legal in Canada, but it is misplaced. You could make an argument if you downloaded content only onto CD-Rs or DVD-Rs, but any uploading would not be permitted. Even then, though, the industry would probably want compensation for the 'ephemeral' copy that was temporarily on your hard drive before you burned it to the CD.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23311498 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:09:27 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23311159
Don't make p2p illegal... Make illgeal downloading... illegal :D

You understand me... I wrote enough about it...

It just causes more bad to legit people and dosen't harm illegal downloaders...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23311159 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:45:03 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23309080 said by Abattoir:

said by AkFubar:

Consider yourself corrected AlexandreG. Downloading via P2P is not illegal in Canada. You are hearing propaganda from Bell, Telus and Rogers to justify throttling because they do not wish to upgrade their networks to handle normal traffic volumes. :)
Allow me to correct your correction, AkFubar. Downloading content without permission is illegal in Canada. It is an urban myth, happily propagated by CRIA and others, that such activities are legal in Canada. No-one has been successfully sued for it in Canada, but that is mostly a political decision so they can push for stricter copyright laws.

If you have a source that contradicts me, please feel free to provide it. I don't think you will be able to find one.
Well apparently it depends:

»www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/4038/159/
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"No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23309080 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:44:29 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23309037 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23309037 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:39:54 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23308468 I also remember when equipment specs really meant something.
But one must remember that some studies have shown that the P2P downloaders are also the largest purchasers of legitimately acquired music.
They are the last and only hope.
I can't reference the studies right now, but some Googling will probably turn them up. It is sad that there is a generation that doesn't pay the artists appropriately for the music they consume, but the record companies before them enslaved most artists and put them in eternal debt. For the independents today's distributions methods may hold more financial promise than what has gone before.
Now as to the quality of sound you should learn that the measure of good bass is the looseness of the trim on your Honda.
Me I scour flea markets for eight tracks they suit my car perfectly.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23308468 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:04:03 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23308159 said by Abattoir:

said by AkFubar:

Consider yourself corrected AlexandreG. Downloading via P2P is not illegal in Canada. You are hearing propaganda from Bell, Telus and Rogers to justify throttling because they do not wish to upgrade their networks to handle normal traffic volumes. :)
Allow me to correct your correction, AkFubar. Downloading content without permission is illegal in Canada. It is an urban myth, happily propagated by CRIA and others, that such activities are legal in Canada. No-one has been successfully sued for it in Canada, but that is mostly a political decision so they can push for stricter copyright laws.

If you have a source that contradicts me, please feel free to provide it. I don't think you will be able to find one.
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P2P is not illegal. P2P does not have to do with copyright infringement!! wow(world of warcraft) updates use p2p. vuse uses p2p. linux distros use p2p. you cannot say any protocol is bad. all protocols can be used to download non/copyright material. why punish the protocol?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23308159 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:40:14 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23308044 said by AkFubar:

Consider yourself corrected AlexandreG. Downloading via P2P is not illegal in Canada. You are hearing propaganda from Bell, Telus and Rogers to justify throttling because they do not wish to upgrade their networks to handle normal traffic volumes. :)
Allow me to correct your correction, AkFubar. Downloading content without permission is illegal in Canada. It is an urban myth, happily propagated by CRIA and others, that such activities are legal in Canada. No-one has been successfully sued for it in Canada, but that is mostly a political decision so they can push for stricter copyright laws.

If you have a source that contradicts me, please feel free to provide it. I don't think you will be able to find one.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23308044 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:08:10 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23307341 said by AkFubar:

Meh...Most young people have seriously impaired hearing from listening to mp3 players with the volume up too high or by having honkin big boomin speakers in their cars with the bass turned way up so I don't think they would notice the difference in sound quality.
I know... But I do :(...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23307341 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:58:35 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23307321 --
"No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23307321 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:53:35 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23307233
Because of abusers of p2p, people are now used to crappy sounding audio and they don't care... I, as an audiophile, think the quality of most mp3 found on p2p networks is HORRIBLE.
The problem is, with all that, the cd will disappear someday... Now, it isn't a big deal if some full quality audio is available on the internet.

But because of abusers again, the big crappy compagnies like SonyBMG or EMI tried to put DRMs on AudioCDs. What this means is that we, people who buy music and love good quality audio, can't do what we want with the music we pay for. (and by what we want I mean, extract, put on portable devices.... )
And this stuff doesn't do a thing to p2p addicts! They will find ways to extract the audio, and even if the quality is bad, they don't care!!

So in the end, all the "illegal" downloaders are downloading the music, and we, people who buy and love good quality music, are punished for YOUR ACTS.

I think the big compagnies realised that and stopped all this DRM crap... The problem is that I see what's happening with the HDCP and blue-ray DRMs... And I fear it could happend to audio too!

So, in the end, what I hate is that people like me are punished because of p2p users... Now, I understand that bell should not throttle the internet. They are a service provider, they shouldn't control everything...

You could say that this is not the file sharing people fault and this is the decisions of all these big crappy compagnies... You may be right! But if there was not this many illegal downloads , I don't think that they would think about DRM...

So... In the end, I guess I am more agains't DRMs than p2p :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23307233 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:26:42 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23307034 I just hope that it will be completly illegal someday... At least as much as stealing in a store.

The punishment should only be as light as stealing a ~$20 CD from a store then. So you could be stealing ~200 CD from a store and still falls below the $5000 mark.

»paulschreiber.com/blog/2005/09/1···lifting/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23307034 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:26:31 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306994
:p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306994 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:15:58 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306986 said by AlexandreG:

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With that said, p2p downloads are not really illegal in canada, you are right... But still, making the files available on the network is illegal and most people do (and they don't even know it)
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I think it should be illegal! (wow... I said that... i guess everyone here will be throwing stuff at me)
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All the people who do that are often having more than 1 or 2000 songs and sometimes as much tv shows and movies... And most of there guys do listen to about 5% of their songs...
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I am just tired of this... If you like something. BUY it! End of the story... I just hope that it will be completly illegal someday... At least as much as stealing in a store. Fine. You feel it should be illegal. I get that. Anything else you wish to make illegal while we're at it?

How about using VoIP from someone other than Bell or Rogers? I think that you should only be allowed to use the VoIP services as offered from your ISP. I also think gun and car manufacturers should be held responsible for the crimes their products are involved in.

You're all over the place and have little understanding of the (our - Canadian) copyright act. You're mixing copyright laws from different countries and somehow think our law is wrong. I don't know what else to say. While I personally feel no copyright term should last more than seven years I have no problem complying with our statute as written.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306986 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:12:36 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306979
Bell is hardly the law abiding model corporate citizen you should trust to patrol for alleged copyright violation activities.

Bell is not the government nor have the legal authority to violate privacy, perform illegal searches and the roles of judge/jury and executioner.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306979 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:10:03 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306958 abuse for everyone's future. I hope the abusers enjoy!!

:(]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306958 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:05:00 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306934 said by AlexandreG:

I mean... you just can't complain that a compagny blocks or slows down illegal activities.... I'm sorry, when did we privatize law enforcement? Who made Bell judge, jury, and executioner!?

I don't need or want the private sector to meddle in the affairs of citizens.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306934 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:56:38 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306926 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306926 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:54:47 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306921
Copyright extension is in violation of that spirits by preventing them to ever appear in public domain. DRM is bypassing the obligation of releasing copyright material after the term expires as it prevents the public from accessing the work FOREVER. ATCA is making the act of breaking DRM illegal.

So technically copyright extensions, DRM and ATCA are STEALING from public.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306921 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:52:57 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306712 said by vintagewino:

I have customers that order THOUSANDS of blank CD's every month. Each and every CD has the copy tax on it. NONE of these will EVER see as much as much as a single note of music on them. Where is THAT FAIR?Those tariffs on CDs and DVDs are disgusting and shameful. Probably the most obvious example that our government serves corporations.

Next thing they're going to realize that optical media has fallen out of favour compared to flash and hard drives and try to put tariffs on those.

At that point I'd be ready to protest in the streets.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306712 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:50:29 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306689
Even if I am completly against all this file sharing, I am also against DRMs because they punish honest and legal customers and do no bad to illegal downloaders...

I know about that copy tax.. and I'm sure that nothing goes to the artists... It's probably all in the pockets of governements and big labels like sony or EMI...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306689 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:43:13 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306677
said by AlexandreG:

All the people who do that are often having more than 1 or 2000 songs and sometimes as much tv shows and movies... And most of there guys do listen to about 5% of their songs...

It is not illegal in canada yet... don't know why...

I am just tired of this... If you like something. BUY it! End of the story... I just hope that it will be completly illegal someday... At least as much as stealing in a store.


The mainstay of this in Canada is that many years ago, blank media (cassettes) had a tariff placed on them to "compensate" artists for private copying. Once the cassette tape died, this naturally got transferred to CD. Virtually the full cost of the CD today is the copy tax.

I have customers that order THOUSANDS of blank CD's every month. Each and every CD has the copy tax on it. NONE of these will EVER see as much as much as a single note of music on them. Where is THAT FAIR??

»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news···-tax.ars

Now, does that money taken under false pretenses go to the "artists" whose works are NOT being copied, to the IAA's or just into government general coffers?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306677 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:38:37 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306601
With that said, p2p downloads are not really illegal in canada, you are right... But still, making the files available on the network is illegal and most people do (and they don't even know it)

And, you know... I make music, and I have made money from the music/multimedia industry, and even if it isn't really illegal in canada, I am still against it! I think it should be illegal! (wow... I said that... i guess everyone here will be throwing stuff at me)

All the DRMs stuff that are a real pain for legal customers are caused by all the guys like you who don't want to pay for their music, or anything else.

All the people who do that are often having more than 1 or 2000 songs and sometimes as much tv shows and movies... And most of there guys do listen to about 5% of their songs...

It is not illegal in canada yet... don't know why...

But to do this, or to go in a store and steal a cd... WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? Ah yeah... in the first case you are alone in your basement... there is no risks... you can't be caught...

And, as a computer tech, most problems I have to fix are caused by p2p software and people that are downloading stuff with them!....

I am just tired of this... If you like something. BUY it! End of the story... I just hope that it will be completly illegal someday... At least as much as stealing in a store.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306601 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 14:15:37 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306550 --
"No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306550 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:58:12 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306315
I mean... you just can't complain that a compagny blocks or slows down illegal activities....

With that said, I agree that, in some cases, there is very useful things you can do with p2p, especially bit torrent! Very legal stuff too :P

But... Correct me if i'm wrong, but most people complaining about this are already using it for illegal stuff like I said...

Maybe i'm wrong!... But I never, but really NEVER had the idea of installing any kind of p2p software... and I never had any need for this!...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23306315 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 12:56:10 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23302146 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23302146 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:18:25 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301829 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301829 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:36:23 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301818
and my torrents over VPN were also throttled.

WHy hasn't anyone brought this up as an invalid ITMP?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301818 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:34:18 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301703
With all that said, I think all 3rd parties should make it known on the page that Bell throttles and give a link or contact for a prospective client to file a complaint/ petition/ etc... This way we can get people to lodge complaints accordingly to the framework.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301703 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:12:22 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301678 said by HidingIt4Now :

So I browsed Teksavvy's website and there was no warning of throttling or anything. So much for being honest.

Bell notifies their customers of throttling now and Teksavvy doesn't.

that is rich!

Dick Chisholm
Pardon me, Dick, but nowhere does Bell say on their advertising, or on their website where you go to view and purchase any of their Internet packages, that there is any sort of traffic shaping going on.

It's buried in some troubleshooting page.

So to bluntly say that "Bell notifies their customers of throttling", is a lie.
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And now, back to your regularly scheduled losing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301678 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:04:47 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301359
Bell notifies their customers of throttling now and Teksavvy doesn't.

that is rich!

Dick Chisholm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301359 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:53:30 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301425
:p]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301425 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:20:46 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301370 said by An_Onymous:

FYI: Telecom data transfer rates have always been measured in bits per second.
Makes no difference to the sheeple, they only understand fast and slow. The numbers mean nothing to them]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301370 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:11:58 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301368 said by DabberDan:

quote:
Are other ISPs doing the same?

Yes. Other Internet Service Providers (ISPs) in Canada are implementing similar solutions to continue to maintain adequate service levels.


Yeah, right... If it wasn't for Bell, TSI wouldn't have throttling... jeeze.
I doubt TSI in Bell's place would implement a system-wide arbitrarily and cripplingly low throttle that was solely time-based and not actual congestion-based, while neglecting to upgrade those 'congested' portions of the network.

They also forgot to mention that those ISPs who currently use throttling are mostly WISPs who are severely limited by their technologies and are fighting to get internet out to people who Bhell is ignoring.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301368 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:11:39 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301254 quote:
Are other ISPs doing the same?

Yes. Other Internet Service Providers (ISPs) in Canada are implementing similar solutions to continue to maintain adequate service levels.


Yeah, right... If it wasn't for Bell, TSI wouldn't have throttling... jeeze.

quote:
What are peer-to-peer (P2P) file-sharing applications?

uTorrent wasn't on the list, yay! LOL

quote:
Are there other applications that could be impacted by Bell’s traffic management measures?

If you're using an application/protocol during peak periods, such as encrypted FTP and find that it cannot attain full speed, please first ensure that you are using the standard port assigned for the application/protocol in question (as per the IANA: »www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers).


So much for security by obscurity...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23301254 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:52:22 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23300959 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23300959 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:00:13 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23300395
I was quite surprised to see that you guys still only refer to the static IP option for $4 rather than flat out advertising the fact that you have an addon feature available to defeat the throttle (MLPPP) along with binary NNTP access w/200 day retention for an awesome $4/month(since the page was changed to mention the wrt54GL and tomato, but no mention of why a customer would want that particular 'special' piece of kit).

Not that I'm complaining, but when I explain the service to some folks that're currently with Bell and tell them how we can avoid the nightly bullISH they want to see a shiny webpage explaining how it works and why TSI is better than Bell.

Seriously, would now not be an appropriate time to further distance TSI from Bell as much as possible?

Make your online offerings look different because they are!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23300395 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:42:12 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23300264
I find it kind of dishonest how they do not make any mention of it and haven't throughout this whole time.

I imagine that leads some people to sign up thinking they are getting away from Bell's throttle and after they are practically locked in with Teksavvy then out comes the mlppp offer for "just" 4$ more.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23300264 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:51:32 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23300135 --
"No matter where you go, there you are." - Buckaroo Banzai]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23300135 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:30:12 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23300100 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23300100 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 03:50:03 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23299745 if your using p2p applications in any way that is public the 1st poster is corrent

if you encrypt your traffic and DO not during the traffic shape time do any public non encrypted traffic, you can or may not be traffic shaped because otherwise if encrypted they cannot know what your up too and thus discriminate less. Most SSL is business at least for now, and BHELL dont need them to start also whining.

hten when everyone is using encrypted traffic the next phase of the evil empire begins.....tune in next month for the NEW IMPROVED BILL C61 , brought to you by your CONserv.a.republican friends]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23299745 Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:00:42 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23299607 www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new···-running

Can't wait for Bell to start imposing this on us!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23299607 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:27:29 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23299595 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23299595 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:23:39 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23299470 said by An_Onymous:

FYI: Telecom data transfer rates have always been measured in bits per second.
Jean-Maurice-Amile Baudot says ...........]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23299470 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:57:32 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23299392 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23299392 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:38:23 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23299375 said by Riplin:

believe he's refrring to them using kilobits instead of bytes which makes it look like a higher number to the sheeple but they still have no clue anyway
that was my bad]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23299375 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:34:49 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23299356 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23299356 Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:30:17 EDT Re: Bell Network Management http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Bell-Network-Management-23299337 said by evil_gusgus:

I find the worst part is them saying P2P is throttled to 256kbps
You've lost me. Isn't that about right?
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