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Re: Looking to adopt a new *nix
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Hey everybody,
I've never started a topic on here so bear with me, as I bang this one out between calls.
I'm looking to adopt a different *nix from Ubuntu seeing as I want to get a little more "in-depth" about linux.
I wouldnt ditch ubuntu tbh. You should get into ubuntu as the majority of the things you can do in any other distro can be done in ubuntu.
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I'm looking for something modern, with a frequent release schedule (rolling release distro maybe?) and hopefully good support for modern hardware.
This here is what would likely discount gentoo or arch or similar. They rarely need to release new. They instead have network isos which are tiny that you use to basically get the operating system there. You then go and pull what you need down.
Ubuntu again is king here with bleeding edge releases and cutting edge long term support releases.
Fedora-redhat-suse is your alternative. They are designed for work or enterprise environments so stability and compatibility is important to them.
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I would consider myself somewhere between beginner and intermediate, I've compiled a few programs, and I'm not overly terrified of command lines and CLIs.
I would say stay with ubuntu and learn to unlock the furry within. It's all there ready to be used. You just need to discover it.
Also of note. You might like to try out Backtrack. It's a penetration testing distro with tools built in that are very difficult to get a hold of normally. |
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said by El Quintron  :Speaking of Slackware has anyone tried Zenwalk? I hear it's Slackware based. Yes, I had been using it for the last 4 years. It is slackware based, comes out with a new release about twice a year. If you want a rolling release feel, then keep updated to the snapshot repos where the new packages are tested before being rolled into a release.
Another Slackware base distro is Salix, »www.salixos.org/wiki/index.php/Home. It's new, but it's being develope by some experienced ex-Zenwalk developers. It completely backward compatible with Salix 13.0. Being new, the community is rather small, so you will get some very good personal support |
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Hello,
I've seen backtrack and I will certainly download a USB of it and give it a go it sounds like a lot of fun,
About the rest, I think you've misread my intent. There ain't nothing I can't do on Ubuntu, I can get it from zero to production in under 30 mins.
What I need to learn though is advanced compiling, CLI, and how to dig around a computer with a command line.
Which is why a tougher distro is called for.
By the way thank you for bringing up backtrack again, I'm downloading it right now.
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Good to know, thank you for bringing these up... |
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You can go as deep as you want with Ubuntu and mod it as you wish. However, I would recommend an ancestor of Ubuntu known as none other than Debian. That has always been my fav distro. I may be biased since it was my first Linux project(creating a Debian server). |
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said by El Quintron :What I need to learn though is advanced compiling, CLI, and how to dig around a computer with a command line. Linux From Scratch
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How about stepping outside of the box and using BSD? If you have an open mind, I highly recommend OpenBSD. You’ll find it more secure than most Linux distributions, there’s a new release every six months and, unlike Linux, everything has a man page and is well organized.
I used to use Debian, but once I started using OpenBSD, I never looked back. |
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I started reading it a couple of weeks ago at work during calls, I will eventually get on to it when I get more time, I think I'm going to do Arch or one of the Slackware children.
I think that'll make me more command line oriented.
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said by No_Strings :It's not easy to start with Slack if you have never seen a *nix system. That's the same thing you said to me back in 2005. It didn't mean much then but I certainly understand it today. Thank you and +1 for Slackware as a path to Linux enlightenment. |
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Re: Why limit yourself to One *nix?
said by mike_f :If you want to learn AND have a usable, reliable and maintainable system at all times, use Debian/XFCE4 as a host and try out all of these other *nixes under Virtualbox. Or run ESXi or Xen and save yourself some overhead.
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Re: Looking to adopt a new *nix
said by Bink :How about stepping outside of the box and using BSD? If you have an open mind, I highly recommend OpenBSD. To be honest I've never considered it, it would certainly be a challenge I'd be up for in the new year.
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munky99999
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What I need to learn though is advanced compiling, CLI, and how to dig around a computer with a command line.
Which you can do with ubuntu. You just need to learn to move away from the package management system. OR go and do use that commandline.
The issue is that the easy method is staring you in the face for ubuntu. With CLI and such still there to use.
Gentoo-slack on the otherhand kinda forces you to use those and thusly no option of the easy method. Though admittedly gentoo does have emerge.
When you get into an RPM hell like I have several times. You really really warm up to ubuntu's development cycles.
Though I went and looked today @ gentoo. Seems they've recovered from their schism as of late. I think im mistaken about this though.
debian has a bad track record with security tbh. LOTS of DOS issues and bad random # generating.
esxi is a really good idea actually. If you have the hardware to run it anyway. |
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munky99999
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said by El Quintron :said by Bink :How about stepping outside of the box and using BSD? If you have an open mind, I highly recommend OpenBSD. To be honest I've never considered it, it would certainly be a challenge I'd be up for in the new year. Freebsd is more popular then openbsd.
Why? Customization is very popular in freebsd. Building your own custom kernel for example is something that's common in freebsd and not so much in openbsd. Furthermore it's easier to get a hold of pretty much any software for freebsd. Which wont work so well in openbsd.
The idea being between the 2... freebsd wants you to try whatever you feel like. Assuming you arent doing it on some main internet exposed webserver or something. While openbsd is kind of under the impression your box is going to be the next google.com webserver with millions of hits and day and many security pen tests randomly. With that... the openbsd fellas think there's absolutely no reason you should be touching anything but their special prestine applications/kernels. Doing so can only lead to being less secure and more buggy. Which is bad.
Im sure someone will come correct me about my thoughts of bsd. As frankly they might be highly outdated and/or wrong.
That said... BSD is nice for very unusual computer setups. Like ancient hardware cpu architectures or beowulf clustering.
Dragonfly BSD which is out of freebsd is an extremely popular one to use for those ultra cheap.. "I bought 500$ worth of 50cent pentium 3 1ghz cpus. Lets cluster them together" kind of deals heh.
So here's a good list of OS you might as well try at some point.
Ubuntu you should run!
Fedora/Suse/RedHat
Debian
Gentoo/Slackware/Arch
Backtrack for fun!
Openbsd/Freebsd
Plan 9
That pretty much rounds out the different schools of thought i think. Plan 9 I toss in there for the lulz. |
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Selenia
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El Quintron
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said by munky99999 :Which you can do with ubuntu. You just need to learn to move away from the package management system. OR go and do use that commandline. You're missing the point. I'm moving away from Ubuntu. I was/am looking for options outside of Ubuntu specifically.
BSD is an option but I really haven't done any research on it. So its looking like Arch is going to be the next one I test.
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So how long from start to finish with Gentoo? I'm used to going from zero to complete with Ubuntu in under 45 mins, I'm aware this isn't possible with Gentoo but how long does it take?
Really depends on the hardware. I haven't done a full install in a while, but I remember that it took a couple of hours (something around 5 or 6, I forget) on a Athlon 64 3700. I'm sure it's much quicker on the new machines. If you do the install from a live cd, you can still use your computer while installing gentoo. (just expect it to be a bit slower because the compiler will be eating up all of your CPU cycles.) Or just install it from within Ubuntu.
The good thing about gentoo is that docs will walk you through the process of installation. Step by step, so you shouldn't get lost.
In the end, you'll have a much easier time than many of the users here. For example, recent releases of X.org can automatically detect the correct settings on most setups, eliminating the need to even create a config file.
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RedHat/Fedora/CentOS are all really good if you want to fight with system security. Leave SELinux and/or iptables on, It's LOADS of fun. 
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said by munky99999 :esxi is a really good idea actually. If you have the hardware to run it anyway. If you're worried about hardware, Xen can be a much better solution. Plus, most of the enterprise features are available in the free version.
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