Look at it this way Darci I know you can't stand comcast but its not like you live in a metro city. As a matter of fact the only thing distinguishable feature between forest grove and banks is pacific university. And that relatively small school is the only reason in my oppinion the "Grove" didn't get cherry picked over by verizon. As for the frontier deal I hope it fails. I want to see fios everywhere Comcast is.