Topic 'Best RG11 to use' in forum 'Comcast HSI' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Best-RG11-to-use-23306988 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:15:39 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:15:39 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512781
then on my router set a route that says 192.168.100.x is reachable via FE 0/0]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512781 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:12:23 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512734 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512734 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:04:59 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512621
TCI got bought by TWC then traded with Comcast
part of the whole houston area trade that TWC made with comcast

with the utility it seems its very close to being useful to me
I also have a linksys CM100 and BEFCM10 V4 (from before I swiched to Biz class) they're sitting in a drawer somewhere

I wasn't to happy with the cm100 it might have been to new when I bought it]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512621 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:46:16 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512597
march I think is when I noticed ithe outo of spec RF but as you can see on the line monitor /testhistory?view=71
it doesn't lose sync

the ped is in an neighbor's back yard

the Ped-to-GB cable is newish (put in march or might have been april) (you would be supprised that the previous cable even worked)

the cable that was there before got hit by ike (from back when I had Res service the cable had been run along the fence and when Ike hit it was tatered

after ike the buried it then in march/april it was found that the center conductor was exposed at a few points alone the cable

so the cable was replaced]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512597 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:42:09 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512591
Here's the DSLReports link over at the Cox forum.

»[ALL] Modem Signals Logger

Odd no one else has picked up this idea to play with or improve, etc.
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You would have to be hunting some pretty elusive ghosts to let node health / system maintenance go that long without a lightbulb going off in someone`s head. Usually after 4 days of hunting noise, it`s no more mister nice maintenance. And I start disrupting big time until i find whoever or whatever is causing the issue.

Dark would really have to be living in a pretty hardup area. But still the utility would be nice to have (myself included)

Edit: If you did get 860 i hope you got your drill handy... cause you`ll never core that SOB by hand :p .750 is bad enough, and if you were going to use something that big, you know i`d have to go to texas just to smack you. lol ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512551 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:34:41 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512545
at least the attic isn't hot anymore

sidenote: if I were to use as you refer "Texas sized" cable I'd need some QR860 which although even cooler would be insane]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512545 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:34:11 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512520
the modem is the SMC8014 does the utility work on that?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512520 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:30:09 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512512
There's something out of whack(or being worked on) for the CMTS to tell your modem to fluctuate that much.

There was a little utility a guy in Phoenix wrote to track your modem's SNR and both levels over time. I'll see if I can find the link.
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Edit: and off topic, now that i know your in texas, the RG11 makes sense... everything is bigger in texas lol. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512489 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:24:34 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512473 it is texas though so its only in the 40-60's

the ground doesn't get frozen here like it does up north
but I'll wait till jan to find out
don't want to bother them till after christmas/newyears]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512473 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:21:24 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512445 I ran the RG11 before replacing the connectors

both are in parallel
and the RG-6 is still in use for the moment
be fore replacing the connectors the upstream was maxed at 58db

now its at 50~52
for a little while after the connectors were changed it was 42db but ater 24 hours it was in the 50's again]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512445 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:16:30 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512429 said by DarkLogix:

however the ped-to-GB cable run still hasn't been burried (I'll post in direct about that in jan)
Unfortunally, this may not get done this year at this stage of the game. Burial season is closed in about 98% of areas. Posting in the comcast direct forum will defintly let you know if your area has been closed like the rest. I as well hope the poor horse can rest in piece, cause everyone knows we took a sledgehammer to it :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512429 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:13:50 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512410
If you replaced a connector and 'picked up' 5db, which later disappeared, did you actually fix the connector or are there other problems that you are exposing by working around the existing cables?

Chasing intermittant problems is a pain.........
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oddly a day after that connector the upstream went up again but not as high

then after replacing the remaining connectors (3) on the cable run it dropped again and later went up again its now holding at 52db

also I replaced the coupler with a better quality one

however other than a high upstream signal the connections fine (never loses sync)

»/testhistory?view=71

the connectors that I cut off were crap radio shack factory done hex crimp the connectors I put on are commpression fittings

however the ped-to-GB cable run still hasn't been burried (I'll post in direct about that in jan)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512331 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:58:19 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512188
Wouldn't this previous "fact" indicate that you may have more problems(perceived or otherwise) with the connectors, and not neccessarily the cable?
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I am not sure that the thickness of the conductor is electrically all that important, due to "skin effect". The RF energy will travel in the copper coating, not in the steel.
yes I realize that skin effect plays a role thus the reason why they made it copper coated

a really good demonstration of skin effect can be found at the boston museum of science

when I had posted that I think I was just looking for what would commonly be hair brained thoughts that most would think aren't relevant to see if one of them might be relevant]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512076 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:12:46 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23512024 said by DarkLogix:

the RG11 has a thicker conductor and is copper coated steel ...
I am not sure that the thickness of the conductor is electrically all that important, due to "skin effect". The RF energy will travel in the copper coating, not in the steel.
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RJ11- is a universal service code name of the 4-pin Jack ...
I'd like to correct some of your comments, except the OP wasn't asking about RJ-11 (which is a 6-position modular jack), but RG-11, which is a specific type of coaxial cable.
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I had been trying by measuring the inside of the connector (from the area that the center conductor goes in to the end of the connector) with a pair of digital calipets and then using that measurement to mark (with a silver sharpe) on the cable

Thanks that sounds like a much more practical solution]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23510814 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:38:41 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23510794 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23510794 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:35:32 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23510782
obviously, strip your cable and make sure none of the silver is anywhere near the copper and that area is clear.

on the side of the fitting, theres two lines etched at the top (neck) part: hold the cable next to the fitting. the top line is what you line up the end of your center conductor with. the bottom line should be aligned with the bottom of the center conductor, where the foam was cut away.

if not, slide the cable up so that the end of the foam is level with the bottom line, and snip the tip down to be level with this line. once the tip of the conductor is even, and lined up with the top line.

using your thumbnail, slit a little line into the black outer jacket of the cable along the bottom edge of the fitting. put the fitting on the cable, and without rocking the connector back and forth, twist the connector around down onto the cable.

that line you made should be either inside the fitting, exactly at the edge of the fitting, or very close to it. if not, your center conductor isnt in all the way. once its lined up, crimp it.

the datasheet doesnt show both lines on the fitting, but im guessing its because its either a drawing or the older model of fitting]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23510782 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:33:31 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23510731 Then when you are putting the connector on DO NOT push it on. Twist in a clockwise motion. Most RG11 connectors are threaded so they should slide easily on the cable if twisted and pushed as opposed to just pushing down.
Flawless connection everytime.
Im 1000 for 1000. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23510731 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:31:47 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23510547
although I found that if I listen closely I think I can hear the sound of the center conductor going into the right part of the connector]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23510547 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:49:25 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23510172 said by insane2 :

Ask any tech on here if he has ever done it on their own homes. They have not. I wired m entire home with standard RG6, 5 outlets, wallfished etc. This was 9 years ago. I have never had to go back and touch one piece of cable or pasive.

Levels solid, picture, perfect, stats excellent.
I must say, I know plenty of techs I've worked with that used it in their homes, but no tech that ever ran it down a wall, they only use it for main runs between splitters or to their house from the ped. granted, insane2 is right, it is overkill. some people like overkill, its inevitable. as jokal says, nothing wrong with overkill if money is not a concern, which for techs who have 300 feet left on a roll after breaking it out for a job, that will most likely go to the trash otherwise, It is no issue.

however, as im sure any tech will tell you, RG11 is not as easy to terminate as rg6 is. in fact, it is a TOTAL pain in the ass. I can't count how many times ive had to cut and start over because the center conductor had a slight bend and it misses the center contact and bends up, you crimp it to find out it is trash. and yes, damn right it makes a mess, it will get EVERYWHERE, it will gunk up your prep tool, you'll find little pieces of braid stuck to you and your clothes, anywhere you wipe it you will have a pretty much permanent stain that will attract dirt, whether it be your siding, your walls, your clothes, etc. remember, its meant to waterproof, it wont wash out.

I will give you this: at least you were smart to get PPC fittings, which is what (at least in chicagoland) comcast uses in their systems. most customers use garbage twist-on fittings, (i've seen customers who just stick the center pin in a splitter, or splice an existing piece by cutting the wire apart, twisting, and taping it up), or use a steak knife or dikes to strip the coax, then use the cheap splitter that doesn't even support digital, then piss and moan about how bad comcast's service is. use a good splitter, go on ebay and find extreme broadband or antronix, that is what you want.

and guys, at least he has a general clue as to how a cable system works, and wants to know, which I can't say for a lot of customers. and im glad he is concerned about causing problems with the network, instead of just doing it and making our lives worse. we all had to learn somewhere, and im sure many of you learned by asking.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23510172 Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:15:26 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23356403 said by Tordek:

I would sooner make wall paintings then EVER have rg11 inside my home..
What is that about? :uhh:

said by Tordek:

Just wait until your heater warms up that fitting and the cable.. gonna be a nice sticky floor / fried equipment.
Huh? :uhh:
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I would sooner make wall paintings then EVER have rg11 inside my home.. Just wait until your heater warms up that fitting and the cable.. gonna be a nice sticky floor / fried equipment. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23356142 Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:39:32 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23315914 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23315914 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:58:17 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23315056 said by westdc:

RJ11- is a universal service code name of the 4-pin Jack. that would be connect to 22 or 24 gauge solid wire.
Any CAT3 wire will work just fine even the old JK wire will service Voice only just fine.

Before that it was a 44A block that you would terminate jacketed 4 -wire solid (Red-Green Yellow and Black)

RJ45 - is the Universal Service code name of the 8 pin jack used for Connecting to the internet equipment.

These usoc codes where first introduced in 1983 as standard for Mfg's to build equipment compatible for connecting to the soon to be defunked bell system.
That is awesome info. Too bad it's in the wrong topic....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23315056 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:07:51 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23314791 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23314791 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:19:26 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23314725 Any CAT3 wire will work just fine even the old JK wire will service Voice only just fine.

Before that it was a 44A block that you would terminate jacketed 4 -wire solid (Red-Green Yellow and Black)

RJ45 - is the Universal Service code name of the 8 pin jack used for Connecting to the internet equipment.

These usoc codes where first introduced in 1983 as standard for Mfg's to build equipment compatible for connecting to the soon to be defunked bell system.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23314725 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:06:22 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23314601 said by DarkLogix:

I don't care for opinions
I care for cold hard facts
What folks are trying to say is that there are many reasons not to use RG11 and no benefit whatsoever to using RG11.

Take a look at this chart: »Cable Modems and Wiring Issues »Chart of Signal Loss per 100ft

At 100 feet, even on the high end, the difference in attenuation is approx 0.6dB, which is not significant. Even a $3K signal level meter is only accurate to +/- 2dB, that's how insignificant it is.

Flooded cable is not approved for use in dwellings, due to its properties when it burns.

Copper is a better conductor than steel, they use a steel core in RG11 because it is less expensive.

RG11 was designed to be an alternative to RG59, not quad RG6.

1) There is no technical advantage.
2) RG11 is not future proof like cat6.
3) It does not meet code.

Flooded RG11 is the wrong cable for the job.
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as for the bend radius issue its free hanging in a closet

if #6 will fit in the grounding block I'll replace the current wire with it (ie I'll replace with the thinkest that will fit)

thanks for that info]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23314592 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:41:04 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23314412
Here is the only concern I would have as a tech of over 10 years other than what you already have read: If you are terminating the RG11 inside of a normal sized wall box, the bend radius of the cable will be compromised and all of that work will be for nothing, since you would be cramming that large cable inside a standard electrical box and kinking it. However, if the cable is hanging freely through the floor, or inside the wall with a mud ring, you should be ok.

I would still say that RG6 would have saved you time and money with the same results. Inside a home, you might save a db or two in the higher end frequencies with RG11 over a good RG6. However, when comparing decent RG6 with RG11 in regards to your upstream signal, there is absolutely NO difference on runs under 200' .

All that said, it was definitely wise to replace what you had with something of good quality. I still say RG11 inside is overkill, but if it works and the extra time and money is of no concern, then more power to ya.

Overall, though, whatever you do, make sure the connectors you use are installed correctly. It's harder to do with RG11 than RG6, but it is necessary.

Good luck! :)

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One last thing: You should use nothing less than #10 gauge ground wire for RG11. #6 would be best.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23314412 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:12:41 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23314165 I care for cold hard facts

the amp theory was that since I'm so close to the ped that if loss was redused to near nothing that i could be getting to strong of a signal and if that were turned down that then others at a greater length would have a weaker signal

as I said it was an unfounded unbelevied Idea of if my knowledge lacked so much that something such as that could happen

My beleif is that there is some crappy cable that needs to be replaced and if I'm replacing it its with something better than what most would use and I was just checking to be sure of no downside of which I thought none would be there

and as I haven't seen any leak from the cable in the 6 months it was sitting waiting to be used (while it didn't have any ends on it) I'm not going to worry about that

facts
current cable from attic is actually about 4 cables with couplers and are crap radio shack factory hex crimp

its cooled off abit so I'm going ahead with the replace (didn't want to be in the attic when it was 140f in there)

I like to over do things abit (if I was running ethernet cable over my home I'd get CAT7)

the RG11 has a thicker conductor and is copper coated steel

the cable has been sitting waiting for about 6 months so if something was going to leak it would have before connectors were put on

its only 46 cents a foot so even though I bought 100feet of the cable it was only $46(cable)+$12(connectors)=$58+shipping

so compairing to crap radioshack cables (yes I would buy somewhere else if I bought rg6 in the future anyway) $20 for 25ft=80cents per foot (yes I know connecters are part of the cost) so 35ft*.8=$28*2=$56+tax

so cost wise its really not to bad (ya I know radio shack has crap cables and they aren't walmart on price but anyway)

I asked for facts not opionions so since no one seemed to have any fact based reason not to (other than the leak which I'm not worried about) I don't see how this got to a 2nd page]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23314165 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:28:51 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23313817 said by DarkLogix:

the amps part was just a crazy theory of a maybe problem but I doubt it would be any where near real

The other crazy theory is that RG11 in a house is beneficial in any way whatsoever. And your offering of you using RG11 in your home affecting the actives preceeding it screams ignorance.
Best of luck in your endeavors!! And next time you dont care what others opinions are, refrain from asking. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23313817 Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:45:13 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23312491 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23312491 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:12:28 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23312264 said by gar187er:

11 is essentially 320.... only like .5db difference in loss.....very minimum....

why would you running rg11 in house, mess up amps on the main line!?!?! lol (WTF?)

cat6 is the same physical size, and doesnt have a flooding compound....

your 4db gained on the return was cause of crap connectors and crap wiring....adding 11, will do nearly NOTHING for your return which is run anywhere from 20mhz up to 40ish...look at loss for both at 45...rg6, about 1.4....rg11, is about 1.0

and we have said about the flooding compound...but you believe your fittings will stop it 100% of the time...people here have told you otherwise, people who work with it everyday.....IT LEAKS!!! period....sticky nasty, i hate dealing with it....

320 would be better...lol...for the fact its easier to work with, no compound in it, and just a better cable overall....

hell;ask any cable tech if they would wire their house with rg11...they would laugh their asses off.....
the amps part was just a crazy theory of a maybe problem but I doubt it would be any where near real

the ethernet part was related to the cost consern

the selection of burial was an over sight but only one of the connections will be in an area where a leak would even be of consern and I'm adding to the connector a bit of shrink wrap

also from cutting it the gel seems very thin

it wasn't jusr 4db (before that crap connector was changed it was at 58db most of the time and at best 50) after the connector change its best has been 46 and worst 49

honestly I might have looked at 320 if it was anywhere near as findable

I might very well pull out the burial and get non-burial at some point (ie if I see any leakage) if that happens then I'll see if I can find this qr320 and if the cost is under $1 per foot and the connectors are under $5 per (I think those costs are about where I draw the line on over kill)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23312264 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:03:00 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23312182 said by DarkLogix:

I meant if there was any technical downside not opinions

ie if going from the 18GA copper conductor of the ped to grounding block to 14GA copper coated steel of the rg11 (for the GB to CM) would risk causing a problem due to change of wire gauge

or if using such a good cable would risk messing up the balance of the amps (meaning the amps comcast likely has in their plant

ect

you know how many people run CAT6 ethernet cable for home use (when cat5E is rated to handle gig to full spec) or even people that use cat6A. and those that use when cat6 is pointless for anything as its not good enough for full spec 10gig nor the min for 1gig

going overboard is only a bad idea if the cost is unacceptable if the cost is acceptable and no downsides exist then your just future proofing

its not like I'm running QR320
11 is essentially 320.... only like .5db difference in loss.....very minimum....

why would you running rg11 in house, mess up amps on the main line!?!?! lol (WTF?)

cat6 is the same physical size, and doesnt have a flooding compound....

your 4db gained on the return was cause of crap connectors and crap wiring....adding 11, will do nearly NOTHING for your return which is run anywhere from 20mhz up to 40ish...look at loss for both at 45...rg6, about 1.4....rg11, is about 1.0

and we have said about the flooding compound...but you believe your fittings will stop it 100% of the time...people here have told you otherwise, people who work with it everyday.....IT LEAKS!!! period....sticky nasty, i hate dealing with it....

320 would be better...lol...for the fact its easier to work with, no compound in it, and just a better cable overall....

hell;ask any cable tech if they would wire their house with rg11...they would laugh their asses off.....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23312182 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:45:38 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23311772
ie if going from the 18GA copper conductor of the ped to grounding block to 14GA copper coated steel of the rg11 (for the GB to CM) would risk causing a problem due to change of wire gauge

or if using such a good cable would risk messing up the balance of the amps (meaning the amps comcast likely has in their plant

ect

you know how many people run CAT6 ethernet cable for home use (when cat5E is rated to handle gig to full spec) or even people that use cat6A. and those that use when cat6 is pointless for anything as its not good enough for full spec 10gig nor the min for 1gig

going overboard is only a bad idea if the cost is unacceptable if the cost is acceptable and no downsides exist then your just future proofing

its not like I'm running QR320]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23311772 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:12:27 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23311443 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23311443 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:00:19 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23311197 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23311197 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:55:02 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23311045
to put a short end to the thread
I've put the cable in place though I haven't switched to it yet (part of the reason for the dual grounding blocks)

the 4db improvement was from cutting a hex crimp off (of rg6) and putting a compression fitting on (in fact it hasn't hit 58DB since and has been at 46-48db)

there is no wall plate the cable drops down in a closet so no sharp bend

with these connectors there isn't any worry about the gel leaking

and as far as cost goes its my cost]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23311045 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:15:52 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23309736 You will notice ZERO difference when installing RG11. And as mentioned, forget about fishing a wall with it or even attempting to work it behind a wallplate. You would have to kink it at a 90 degree angle if that is even possible which would compromise the cable entirely.

It sounds like you are dead set in running RG11 in your home so enjoy but if you ever have a tech in your home for any reason and he sees RG11 ran inside he will think you are the biggest idiot on the face of the earth and solidify any stereotype he might already have of educated customers.

Ask any tech on here if he has ever done it on their own homes. They have not. I wired m entire home with standard RG6, 5 outlets, wallfished etc. This was 9 years ago. I have never had to go back and touch one piece of cable or pasive.

Levels solid, picture, perfect, stats excellent. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23309736 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:27:30 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23309724 said by DarkLogix:

just replaced part of it and the upstream droped from 50 to 46

and that was just cutting the end of one of the crapy radio shack cables and putting an compression end on

should be even better after the upgrade
Sorry to inform you but you would of seen that improvement using good quality RG-6 with good fittings and splitters.

RG-11 is pointless to use in a house. If you home ran good RG-6 and put good fittings on your problems would of been solved. The RG-11 is hardly improving anything. You could of rewired everything with RG-6 and the difference would of most likely been less than a DB on your upstream. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23309724 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:19:55 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23309588 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23309588 Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:54:25 EDT Re: Best RG11 to use http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23307783
and that was just cutting the end of one of the crapy radio shack cables and putting an compression end on

should be even better after the upgrade]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Best-RG11-to-use-23307783 Sat, 07 Nov 2009 19:56:40 EDT