Topic '[Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)' in forum 'Scam and Phishbusters' - dslreports.com

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Thu, 12 May 2011 12:17:49 EDT

NormanS posted :

said by 99553123:

It amazes me that with the research available today people are still scammed.

Perhaps a line from Simon & Garfunkle's "The Boxer" explains it:

quote:
Still a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest.

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Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Thu, 12 May 2011 01:31:38 EDT

99553123 posted : A quick way to prove to yourself 100%(Dr. Olds said 90%) of these "deals" are scams, simply Google(or whatever) the basic details and you will see, if they list a VIN it makes the result more "interesting", Really? The vehicle is in more than one location thousands of miles apart? Sometimes, ONE of these ads is real but not connected in any way.
As said; there is NO such thing as Ebay Buyer Protection(or whatever they try to call it) outside of an open EBay auction, and you NEVER pay using a third party such as Western Union or Money Gram, you pay either through your Ebay account or cash when you pick up the vehicle, EBay doesn't get into shipping or storage of vehicles, that would be a legal and logistical nightmare for them.

It amazes me that with the research available today people are still scammed.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Wed, 11 May 2011 13:36:15 EDT

garys_2k posted : Yeah, if you can't physically see the vehicle AND title, walk away.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Wed, 11 May 2011 11:34:22 EDT

PoloDude posted : I feel bad for the people that get scammed. But good golly, with all the warning flags that pop up. Out of state,third party shippers,Have to use Western Union.
Simple rule folks.
Don't buy a vehicle (ANY VEHICLE)If you can't inspect it yourself.
Don't use Western Union or any other money transfer system that does not verify the recipient of the funds.
IF it sounds too good to be true, IT IS! Sorry, But you are not going to find a nearly new vehicle for a fraction of it's true price.
If you see and add on Craigslist, and the picture has all the info on it. it's a scam
I was recently looking for a horse trailer. I can't tell you how many fake adds there are. And they are posted all over the country.

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Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Tue, 10 May 2011 19:30:38 EDT

Hookemray posted : 2003 Sea Pro Boat CRAIGSLIST AUSTIN TEXAS. Email of scammer is Nancy.Adams@hotmail.com. This was too good to be true and after googling the ebay vpp program the link to this site came up. It was a great read and confirmed what my gut was telling me. Thanks to all for taking the time and sharing as I just received my, "let me explain...the boat is wrapped and ready to ship...just send your mailing address blah blah". The woman had just lost her husband in Afghanistan, he was working in the peace corps...breaks my heart. Hopefully others find this report prior to sending the money.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:15:28 EDT

anon posted : hmm, for some reason the emails didn't get on there. trying again...

ames44a@gmail.com (Randy)
susanparker46@gmail.com (Susan)

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:14:00 EDT

anon posted : Thanks everyone for confirming my thoughts. Have already started looking elsewhere :)

The two names and email address are here...

Susan Parker
Randy Harrison

Hopefully these posts may stop some unsuspecting soul from being won over before it's too late!

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:40:45 EDT

harald posted : "grand touring" is french for "big shafting".

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Wed, 09 Mar 2011 22:42:07 EDT

pcdebb posted : Both are scams. And I didn't know the mazda6 had a "grand touring"edition
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Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:18:09 EDT

Snowy posted :

said by bvo :

All right I know this is a long post, but I'd appreciate any advice on how to keep my identity safe, and how to proceed from here.

Walking away is a good option.
You've got more invested in this than the 419'er does. :)
If you can't pull yourself away, post the mail headers from one of his emails here.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:09:28 EDT

Doctor Olds posted :

said by bvo :

All right I know this is a long post, but I'd appreciate any advice on how to keep my identity safe, and how to proceed from here. Thank you for your response!

Not sure what you are asking, but none of those are legitimate deals as none have the car listed at eBay Motors Web Site »www.motors.ebay.com/ . You must be a eBay Member, you must have a auction to click "buy now" or "make offer" and then you must pay either through eBay through your Pay Pal Account or in person when picking up the vehicle. Never wire money as that is a scam 90% of the time.

eBay does not ship cars nor do they store cars to be shipped.

»pages.ebay.com/ebaymotors/buy/pu···tml#elig

quote:
Vehicle Purchase Protection

Important security reminders:

* Vehicle Purchase Protection is only offered on transactions that are completed on eBay.
* eBay discourages the use of offline transactions, including payments made via Moneygram or Western Union. These types of payments are often associated with fraudulent transactions.
* Transactions that take place on eBay can be confirmed by seeing the item listed in the "Won" section on your My eBay summary page.

»pages.motors.ebay.com/buy/securi···dex.html

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I bought a vehicle on a non-eBay site—is this real or fraudulent?
Scammers are using eBay's name to defraud consumers on non-eBay automotive sites such as Craigslist and other classifieds sites. Here are some common themes in these scams:

* A great deal that sounds too good to pass up
* Seller can't meet in person because of a number of reasons (i.e., they are a soldier in Iraq or they left the vehicle in a "local shipping company")
* Seller claims to have made arrangements with eBay's Vehicle Purchase Protection or Finance Center
* Seller claims eBay will handle the transaction through an escrow service and won't release the money until you're happy with the car
* A fake invoice from "eBay" with instructions to send money to Western Union or MoneyGram
* A fake payment and shipping confirmation email from "eBay"
* These fraudsters sometimes even offer live chat or phone support claiming to be eBay

For the Record, eBay Does NOT:

* Provide any escrow services, other than through eBay's only approved escrow company escrow.com
* Send emails from an "eBay Agent" or "eBay representative"
* Own, buy or sell inventory listed on eBay and eBay Motors
* Have any involvement in the actual transaction
* Send links to chat services through email messages
* Inspect any vehicles (although eBay does link to partners who will perform this service)

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Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Wed, 09 Mar 2011 14:09:08 EDT

anon posted : All right I know this is a long post, but I'd appreciate any advice on how to keep my identity safe, and how to proceed from here. Thank you for your response!

2006 Mazda6 (susanparker46@gmail.com)

Hello,

Thank you for your interest in buying my car. My 2006 Mazda 6 S V6 Grand Touring is in great shape, no engine problems, damages or hidden defects. It was always garaged and never smoked in. I`m a single mother with 2 children and I have to work very hard to maintain my family. I`m selling it so cheap because I have problems with money. The price is $2,600.00. We will use eBay`s protection program for our safety. I just need your full name and address so I can open a case .(with no further obligation or fees). If you are still interested email me for picture and details.

My best wishes and I'm waiting your response so we can move forward with this deal.

Details about the car:

Make: Mazda
Model: Mazda6
Body type: Sedan
Mileage: 70,197 miles
Engine: 6 - Cyl. Cylinder
Exterior color: Silver
Transmission: Automatic
Fuel type: Gasoline
Interior color: Gray
Exterior Color: Silver

Thank you,
Susan Parker

(My Response)
Hello,

I have checked on craig's list again and also on Ebay motors and cannot find your listing for the 06 Mazda6. Would you please send me the link to the site again, and could you also give me a phone number where I can reach you with further questions? Thank you very much!

Sincerely,

Brandon

(Her Response)
Hi,

Please take a few moments and read my email carefully, I know it is long, but because I received too many offers, I will explain all the details about the transaction. The car is located in Atlanta GA (i just moved here with my new job) is already crated at the shipping company ready to be sent to any location anywhere in the USA. Like i told you i'll like to use ebay purchase protection because is safe for both,let me tell you how it work:

1. Buyer, seller reach an agreement (price and delivery conditions)
2. Buyer sends money to eBay.
3. eBay confirms to seller that the amount has been received.
4. Seller performs the required services (shipping, insurance).
5. Buyer accepts delivery and informs eBay about the acceptance.
6. eBay releases the money to seller.

As you can see, you will receive the car BEFORE any money is released to me. You will get the chance to inspect it, test drive it and everything you like while your money is still safely held in eBay's account. ONLY after you confirm to eBay that you agree with the car, they will release the money to me.If, for some reason, you disagree with the car (I assure you that is NOT going to happen since my car is in IMMACULATE condition inside and out) it will be shipped back to me on MY EXPENSE and eBay will send you your money back.

I need your full name and full shipping address so i can open this deal with eBay.

Thanks,
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On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Brandon Voth wrote:

Hello,

I have checked on craig's list again and also on Ebay motors and cannot find your listing for the 06 Mazda6. Would you please send me the link to the site again, and could you also give me a phone number where I can reach you with further questions? Thank you very much!

Sincerely,

Brandon

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Susan Parker wrote:

Hello,

Thank you for your interest in buying my car. My 2006 Mazda 6 S V6 Grand Touring is in great shape, no engine problems, damages or hidden defects. It was always garaged and never smoked in. I`m a single mother with 2 children and I have to work very hard to maintain my family. I`m selling it so cheap because I have problems with money. The price is $2,600.00. We will use eBay`s protection program for our safety. I just need your full name and address so I can open a case .(with no further obligation or fees). If you are still interested email me for picture and details.

My best wishes and I'm waiting your response so we can move forward with this deal.

Details about the car:

Make: Mazda
Model: Mazda6
Body type: Sedan
Mileage: 70,197 miles
Engine: 6 - Cyl. Cylinder
Exterior color: Silver
Transmission: Automatic
Fuel type: Gasoline
Interior color: Gray
Exterior Color: Silver

Thank you,
Susan Parker

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And the following is for the 2005 Infiniti FX-35

My name is Randy Harrison and I am a bailiff from Spencer, NY. The original owner was unable to pay the car in full and now the bank has to sell the car.

As this is a repossessed car, the price listed on the online ad is the remaining amount the owner owns the bank.

Car description:
2005 Infiniti FX35 (Miles: 45,850), Features: A/C: Rear, Cruise Control, Navigation System, Power Locks, Power Steering, Remote Keyless Entry, Bucket Seats, Leather Interior, Memory Seats, Power Seats, Airbag: Driver, Airbag: Passenger, Airbag: Side, Alarm, Anti-Lock Brakes, Fog Lights, CD Player, Premium Sound, Power Windows, Rear Window Defroster, Rear Window Wiper, Tinted Glass, Alloy Wheels, Sunroof/Moonroof, A/C: Front

This car was only been adult driven. Meticulously maintained by owner. Carpet mats never used and still in plastic. No accidents

It comes with a clear title which will be signed and notarized in the buyer's name.
The buyer will also receive the original invoice, logbook, keys and all the documents needed for registration.
Full price is $2,900 and all documents will be provided along with it.

We will use eBay Motors Vehicle Protection Program to secure our deal because it protects both buyer and seller.
The car is already in eBay Motors custody here in Spencer, NY. Packed and ready for delivery.

If you don't know how the eBay Motors Vehicle Protection Program works, please let me know.

P.S. See the link below for more pictures:
»bit.ly/eGwSt0

Free Carfax report:
»www.carfax.com/cfm/FSBO.cfm?repo···BA8C46FF

VIN: JNRAS08W45X207089

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Kind Regards,
Randy Harrison

(my response)
Hello Mr. Harrison,

Now it makes sense how such a great car can be sold at such a great deal! Thanks for getting back to me so quickly.
My wife and I are very interested in buying the car. The only issue that is getting in the way is how to get the car from NY to Kansas where we live...I know this is somewhat unorthodox to ask, but do you happen to know of any means of getting a car halfway across the country? We realize that we would be responsible to get it here, it's just I've never bought a car so far from where I live so I'm not sure how to go about doing it. Thanks again for getting back to me, and I'm looking forward to hearing from you!

In hopes,

Brandon Voth

(His response)
There are no payments to take over and the delivery is already included in the total price ($2,900.00 US).

The eBay Motors Vehicle Protection Program works as a payment agent for all online transactions. With the latest technology at hand, it assures the security of both the Buyer and the Seller.
It protects the Seller by making sure the funds are available and it protects the Buyer by ensuring the safe transport of the vehicle using eBay Motors tracking system.

You deposit your purchase funds into the eBay Motors secure account. Once your payment has been confirmed, eBay Motors will deliver the car to your address within 3 business days after the refundable deposit payment is confirmed.
Upon delivery you will have 7 business days to inspect the vehicle – Confirm correctness and condition.

Have the car inspected by an independent mechanic or arrange an inspection yourself.

If the car does not correspond to your expectations or the description eBay will fully refund your deposit payment within 3 business days and collect the car from you.

The deposit payment is FULLY refundable in any circumstances.

What are the benefits?

eBay Motors, an accredited company, acts as a secure third party to protect the Buyer and Seller.

How Buyers are protected:

* eBay Motors tracks the shipped vehicle and verifies it was delivered.
* The Seller isn't paid until the Buyer accepts the vehicle.

How Sellers are protected:

* eBay Motors confirms when the Buyer receives the vehicle
* The Seller is authorized to ship only after eBay Motors verifies the funds.

eBay Motors Title Transfer services will transfer title for your vehicle for free (Covering 50 states*), eBay Motors will handle everything - including the paperwork - from start to finish.

eBay Motors offers a 6 months or 10,000 miles warranty for this car.

In order to move forward I need your full name (for the registration papers) and the address (for delivery, of course).

Kind Regards,
Randy Harrison

(My Response)
Email starts with me giving my full name and address continuing to...
Pardon me as I run over the procedure once again, but this seems almost too good to be true. I would deposit $2,900 into the ebay motors secure account, you would have the car delivered to our front door here in Kansas for a price included in the $2,900, we would inspect it with a mechanic and/or sheriff and if it all meets the description you've sent me we get it registered here and we're good to go. If not we notify ebay somehow and the car gets returned while we get a full refund. Am I correct in this? Also I'm wondering, besides the ebay 6 month or 10,000 mile warranty, is the car still under any other warranty?

Oh, would you mind sending me your phone number? Thank you.

in hopes,

Brandon

(and...)

Hello again,

I've been searching on Ebay motors for all Infiniti FX-35 cars and I am not finding the car we're talking about. Am I missing it altogether? Would you send me a link to the site? The link to craig's list where I found it now said it's been flagged for removal.
Thanks for your understanding.

Brandon

(His Response)
The car is no long on the website because I got already too many offers but the car is reserved to you at this point. About the transaction, that is correct and the only warranty the car has is the eBay Motors warranty. Let me know if you want to proceed.
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On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 10:59 PM, Brandon Voth wrote:

Hello again,

I've been searching on Ebay motors for all Infiniti FX-35 cars and I am not finding the car we're talking about. Am I missing it altogether? Would you send me a link to the site? The link to craig's list where I found it now said it's been flagged for removal.
Thanks for your understanding.

Brandon

On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 5:59 AM, Randy Harrison wrote:

There are no payments to take over and the delivery is already included in the total price ($2,900.00 US).

The eBay Motors Vehicle Protection Program works as a payment agent for all online transactions. With the latest technology at hand, it assures the security of both the Buyer and the Seller.
It protects the Seller by making sure the funds are available and it protects the Buyer by ensuring the safe transport of the vehicle using eBay Motors tracking system.

You deposit your purchase funds into the eBay Motors secure account. Once your payment has been confirmed, eBay Motors will deliver the car to your address within 3 business days after the refundable deposit payment is confirmed.
Upon delivery you will have 7 business days to inspect the vehicle – Confirm correctness and condition.

Have the car inspected by an independent mechanic or arrange an inspection yourself.

If the car does not correspond to your expectations or the description eBay will fully refund your deposit payment within 3 business days and collect the car from you.

The deposit payment is FULLY refundable in any circumstances.

What are the benefits?

eBay Motors, an accredited company, acts as a secure third party to protect the Buyer and Seller.

How Buyers are protected:

* eBay Motors tracks the shipped vehicle and verifies it was delivered.
* The Seller isn't paid until the Buyer accepts the vehicle.

How Sellers are protected:

* eBay Motors confirms when the Buyer receives the vehicle
* The Seller is authorized to ship only after eBay Motors verifies the funds.

eBay Motors Title Transfer services will transfer title for your vehicle for free (Covering 50 states*), eBay Motors will handle everything - including the paperwork - from start to finish.

eBay Motors offers a 6 months or 10,000 miles warranty for this car.

In order to move forward I need your full name (for the registration papers) and the address (for delivery, of course).

Kind Regards,
Randy Harrison

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Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Wed, 09 Mar 2011 13:53:01 EDT

Dennis posted :

said by bvo :

Just so I'm clear on this...an email from a posing seller containing a VIN number and/or a Carfax report on said VIN number does not necessarily mean that the car is legit and could have been gleaned from a different car, correct?

I think it's just easier to say "never wire money" honestly.
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Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Wed, 09 Mar 2011 12:59:23 EDT

anon posted : I think I may have found a few more names to avoid. The mostly follow the criteria other posts have already said, such as the add is not on Ebay or Craig's list, the vehicles are ready to ship, asking for my address and full name.
Just so I'm clear on this...an email from a posing seller containing a VIN number and/or a Carfax report on said VIN number does not necessarily mean that the car is legit and could have been gleaned from a different car, correct?
The wording in the emails I've received is a bit different than others posted on here...I'll include them in a new post.
Thanks for your time and advice!

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:53:56 EDT

garys_2k posted :

said by mssheley :

I was also scammed in the same manner as described by all others in this forum. My question at this point is why wont ebay help to investigate these scams as these people are pretending to represent them. I contacted local law enforcement, FBI, attorney general, etc all with the same result of sorry there are too many of these for us to investigate all of them and ebay will not help law enforcement investigate these issues. Why wont ebay help since we are lured into believing that we are protected by ebay? I contacted ebay and without even getting any info from me they just said thats not us and we cant help you. They did not even care that these people mis representing them.

I think the reason is that, despite the fraudulent identity theft, they have no information about these frauds. I'm sure they'd LOVE to have it stop, it can appear to make them untrustworthy. But, since no data ever flowed through them, they'd have no more ability to help investigate than would anyone else. Very sorry to hear about your loss, though.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:08:45 EDT

Doctor Olds posted :

said by mssheley :

I was also scammed in the same manner as described by all others in this forum. My question at this point is why wont ebay help to investigate these scams as these people are pretending to represent them. I contacted local law enforcement, FBI, attorney general, etc all with the same result of sorry there are too many of these for us to investigate all of them and ebay will not help law enforcement investigate these issues. Why wont ebay help since we are lured into believing that we are protected by ebay? I contacted ebay and without even getting any info from me they just said thats not us and we cant help you. They did not even care that these people mis representing them.

Sorry to hear that you were scammed and took the bait on a too good to be true price for a non-existent scam vehicle listing not on eBay. At what point does eBay come into the picture when there was no purchase made on the Ebay Motors Auction web site and no money was transferred through eBay or PayPal? You should always verify what you are being told as being true when money is involved especially if you have never used something like eBay or VPP. eBay warns readers and members as does Craig's List about never wiring money, never believe any ads that have a supposed shipping element where you cannot go and see the vehicle in person. I am sorry that you learned a expensive lesson, but there is some element of personal responsibility that allowed the price to make you want to send money without really looking at the red flags. The way too good of a price should have made alarm bells ring in your head.
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Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:32:38 EDT

anon posted : I was also scammed in the same manner as described by all others in this forum. My question at this point is why wont ebay help to investigate these scams as these people are pretending to represent them. I contacted local law enforcement, FBI, attorney general, etc all with the same result of sorry there are too many of these for us to investigate all of them and ebay will not help law enforcement investigate these issues. Why wont ebay help since we are lured into believing that we are protected by ebay? I contacted ebay and without even getting any info from me they just said thats not us and we cant help you. They did not even care that these people mis representing them.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Fri, 18 Feb 2011 20:27:03 EDT

garys_2k posted : Good for you! If ONLY others would be so careful, thanks for the advice and good luck.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Fri, 18 Feb 2011 18:36:36 EDT

anon posted : I'm a single mommy and work part time and go to school. I got into a wreck and my car got totaled so i have been looking for a car desperately.. I found a link on Craigslist about a 2000 Jaguar with only 36,000 miles for only 4,000. The seller from Augusta, GA, who's husband got killed by a Drunk Driver. Of course i decided to do a lot of research on it first and came across a few things that opened my eyes and as i read these comments above i confirmed my suspicion IT IS a SCAM. The pattern to this i noticed is that

-they all immediately sound to good to be true
-they all want to do it trough some auto protection program
- they all give the reason to sell is bc of a tragedy in their life. (death, divorce ect..)
- the post are no where to be found on eBay, but are on craiglist or other.
- they all contacted us by email but not the seller by phone themselves.
- the cars were listed in one certain state but turn out they are in another.-
-Asked for the owner number and they didn't give it to you.

and a few others, i can't really think of right now..

** You should Never, Ever, give or (wire) your sensitive information or money to anyone over the phone and without some sort identification. Thanks to everyone who posted on here for the help, and i hope this post helps someone else. It's not fair and it is evil to cheat people outta their money -which they have worked hard for. God Bless.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Wed, 09 Feb 2011 07:33:01 EDT

anon posted : THANK yOU! i appreciate everyone for posting this informaion , i was just going thru the same scam, but something just kept saying it don't sound right.... if the car was listed in one state, and you contact me saying it's somewhere else, mad all the RED FLAGS GO UP.. i'm sorry for you lost ! but thanks for saving me the trouble.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:11:34 EDT

Snowy posted : Someone's stars were all in alignment!
That's a great example of layered security, thanks for posting that! :)

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:23:16 EDT

stormbow posted : Just some positive feedback for the group. This morning, a lady here at work asked me to release an email from the spam filter box.

Subject: Your invoice for eBay purchase # 7782119293 - 2007 Toyota Camry XLE

From: 'eBay' ebaymotors@vpp-safe-purchase.com

DANGER DANGER Will Robinson

Saved her from sending $3850 to the scammer. So, a little win for the good guys. (And I did not release the SPAM) :)

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:30:19 EDT

garys_2k posted :

said by Jun :

i am in same situation and i already send the moeny last friday

and they already picked up my money

i contact ic3 today .

is there any chance that i got money back ?

Nope, really just about none at all. The chances of getting the police in the actual country the thieves are operating in is essentially zero.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:17:02 EDT

anon posted : i am in same situation and i already send the moeny last friday

and they already picked up my money

i contact ic3 today .

is there any chance that i got money back ?

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:18:19 EDT

anon posted : Don't depend on e-bay's VPP. They are useless. I received an automobile I purchased on e-bay and was not told that it had a salvage title. Found out after the car was shipped to me.Oops too bad. Even though the VPP is suppose to cover Fraud, they basically told me to get lost. Also, when I received the car the seller had lied about so many things in the listing. Missing parts, broken parts,engine won't run,torn conver top, 20 items he lied about. VPP's response....oh well, tough luck. I thing they operate out of a closet somewhere. I doubt they pay out anything during the year. THEY ARE the scam.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:43:24 EDT

Doctor Olds posted : Good to hear that. Just wanted to make sure that you were not scammed.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Thu, 09 Dec 2010 19:26:40 EDT

MisMotorhome posted : NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Thu, 09 Dec 2010 18:44:13 EDT

Doctor Olds posted :

said by MisMotorhome:

and the price is only $2,900.

I sell at this price because i just finished the divorce with my husband.

We will use eBay Vehicle Purchase Protection Program

So did you send any money??
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Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Thu, 09 Dec 2010 13:28:22 EDT

MisMotorhome posted :
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First of all I want to thank you for your interest for my motorhome.It is a 1997 Fleetwood Jamboree Class C,This motorhome has Ford E350 Chassis. 6.8L Triton V10 engine. Automatic transmission. Dual rear wheels. 24ft length. Queen bed sleeps 2 and slide-bunk sleeps 2. Enclosed bathroom with shower and vanity. Magic Chef LP range and oven. Microwave. 2 basin sink. Dinette seats 4 and converts to bed. Dometic Fridge and Freezer operate on electric or LP. Roof mount air conditioner as well as to MaxAir power vents. 2 captains chairs up front plus one behind passenger seat. Fresh water holding tank as well as grey and waste. Onan 4000 watt gas generator.Is excellent in every way, has no accidents reports,with no need for additional repairs,no scratches,clear title and the price is only $2,900.The interior looks great (NO SMOKING) and no pets.
I sell at this price because i just finished the divorce with my husband. The divorce has finished and I own this motorhome. Now as a women i don't need it and I need money for other things.

We will use eBay Vehicle Purchase Protection Program so we can both be protected.If you're interested to purchase just email me with your full name ,shipping address and your phone number , so I can notify eBay that you are selected as my buyer and they will contact you to explain the entire procedure.

Thanks,
Lisa

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Thu, 09 Dec 2010 13:26:16 EDT

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Hi again ,
the motorhome is already sealed with all papers you need to the shipping company.As soon as you confirm the money to eBay they will provide you a bill of sale on your name and I will start the delivery to your address.I will provide you 3 days to inspect the motorhome and if you agree to keep it they will release your money to me if no they will refund your money full back and shipt back to me the motorhome on my expense.If you're interested to purchase just email me with your full name ,shipping address and your phone number , so I can notify eBay that you are selected as my buyer and they will contact you to explain the entire procedure.
Thanks,
Lisa,

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:24:38 EDT

Jdiva posted : I'm glad my experience was able to help out! I still didn't get my $ back til this day, and it gets me upset every single time. But life goes on, all I can do now is learn from this terrible mistake, and hopefully something can be done about this in the future...
Thanks y'all :-)

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Sat, 25 Sep 2010 18:07:34 EDT

Doctor Olds posted :

said by autosec:

check the number of VPP sites here:

»db.aa419.org/fakebankslist.php?p···type=AND

we found thousands of email only sites with zero content, only to be used for emails!!!

ebay does nothing....

I don't see how it is a eBay issue, the registrars should refuse all website registrations that have eBay and VPP in it's FQDN. I blame them as they collude with the criminals.
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Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:14:53 EDT

autosec posted : check the number of VPP sites here:

»db.aa419.org/fakebankslist.php?p···type=AND

we found thousands of email only sites with zero content, only to be used for emails!!!

ebay does nothing....

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Tue, 07 Sep 2010 13:01:15 EDT

Doctor Olds posted :

said by helper6:

I am looking for anyone who was scammed by sophia.brown@comcast.net in particular.

Really. Non-US based scammer's don't normally use US ISP emails like that from the Comcast system. That points to a copycat in the US that can be tracked easily compared to European and/or African based scammers.

Sophia has an ad below so you can contact her from a freshly made Gmail email and talk to her all you want. ;)

2006 MINI Cooper S $2900
»cwcauto.com/2006-mini-cooper-s-2900/

quote:
August 18, 2010 3:34 pm

2006 mini 2006 MINI Cooper S Email Contact: sophia.brown@comcast.net Name Sophia Brown Email today for a great deal! Price

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Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Tue, 07 Sep 2010 10:03:59 EDT

61999674 posted : Oh come on, he has to pay his contact at WU/MG to get the money back. :uhh:

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Tue, 07 Sep 2010 09:38:20 EDT

helper6 posted : No money at this time but if you have any information such as SMTP logs, email addresses. Perhaps one of the scammers gave a close as to their location, anything will help.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Tue, 07 Sep 2010 01:38:48 EDT

peterboro posted :

said by helper6:

First I would like to point out that this guys peter is full of hot air and is not helping in anyway.

Are you referring to me or someones genitalia?

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Tue, 07 Sep 2010 00:08:34 EDT

Snowy posted : How many victims have you recovered funds for?

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Mon, 06 Sep 2010 23:41:20 EDT

helper6 posted : First I would like to point out that this guys peter is full of hot air and is not helping in anyway. I do see some other very good posts that will help people avoid the schema. I do agree with Dennis but I wanted to avoid giving to much away. If anyone was scammed on this link please list the EMAIL address of the person who tried to scam you. I am looking for anyone who was scammed by sophia.brown@comcast.net in particular.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Mon, 06 Sep 2010 21:35:16 EDT

Dennis posted :

said by helper6:

If any of you have the original emails from their scammer I would like to see the smtp headers.

Jesus christ.....if that's all you want then just freaking ask for it. But there isn't any body who is going to feel "helped" by giving that info out. Don't make it sound like your going to be able to do anything meaning ful with that info to help an individual.

I still think of it more along the lines of:

helper: oh hai I got some of ur money back
victim a: oh great thank you I was gonig to have to sell my kidney to pay for my mortage
helper: no problem but I need a couple hundred to sent the check to you first to pay the FBI clearance fee.
victim a: WU or MG?

or even better send them a check for more than they lost and ask them to send you the rest. that would totally work.
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Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Mon, 06 Sep 2010 20:04:45 EDT

Snowy posted :

said by helper6:

Actually you are all wrong.

How many people that you have assisted have received their money back?

said by helper6:

I am not going to give out my information because...

because you are either delusional or are a scammer yourself.
We have a new threat here, not a sophisticated one, but still a threat.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:16:36 EDT

Doctor Olds posted :

said by helper6:

Actually you are all wrong. In fact there is a number of ways that I can help but I need to see the information that still have from their contact person. I am not going to give out my information because it will clearly help these people scam more of you but I can assure you that I am in direct contact with some people who can help. If any of you have the original emails from their scammer I would like to see the smtp headers.

There is no way to get money back from Western Union/Money Gram as it has been correctly posted. Now if you get a scammer to send money back, that is not the same since that is not getting the money back from Western Union, but getting a wire transfer scammer which I don't see happening. There are too many thousands of scam victims who have never gotten their money returned by Western Union/Money Gram as it is long gone once it is picked up.
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Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:54:45 EDT

helper6 posted : Actually you are all wrong. In fact there is a number of ways that I can help but I need to see the information that still have from their contact person. I am not going to give out my information because it will clearly help these people scam more of you but I can assure you that I am in direct contact with some people who can help. If any of you have the original emails from their scammer I would like to see the smtp headers.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Sat, 04 Sep 2010 22:28:15 EDT

pcdebb posted :

said by psafux:

I agree completely, its very easy to obtain vin numbers and vehicle descriptions from otherwise legit ads. We both were saying that the absence & refusal to provide a VIN is a red flag as you also touched on :)

yea, that's what I mean. You can walk up to a car on the street and record the vin. but IMO if I ask for it and i get the runaround or excuses, that's a flag to me. and of course even if i got vin, that's still not the completion of the deal.
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Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Sat, 04 Sep 2010 12:01:25 EDT

psafux posted : I agree completely, its very easy to obtain vin numbers and vehicle descriptions from otherwise legit ads. We both were saying that the absence & refusal to provide a VIN is a red flag as you also touched on :)

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:20:18 EDT

Snowy posted :

said by psafux:

absolutely good point ! I was referring to the ad alone though, there are generally MANY hints of an scammer once you make actual contact with them.

The presence of a VIN is not any measure of is a scam/not a scam.
Many auto scam deals are built from data gleaned from legit sales. Using a cars profile that included a VIN or was otherwise offered by the legit owner offers zero legitimacy to the scammer using that data.
Here's an example of a bogus car sale that included a VIN
"Thank you for your interest in my car.This is a 2005 FORD F150 SUPERCREW
4x4, 8 Cylinder 5.4 Liter, Gasoline engine,Automatic
Transmission,Non-Smoker,clean title!! The car has only 24,000 miles on
it,VIN# is : 1FTPW14515FB48400
»timheuer.com/blog/archive/2009/0···ers.aspx

Of course not providing a VIN is a clue that everything may not be what it appears to be, but the presence of a VIN should not confer any legitimacy to the offer either.

EDIT to add: Here's an online VIN database that confirms the VIN associated with this scam ad is accurate.
»www.decodethis.com/

EDIT2: If a scammer needs a VIN for a 2007 Ford Ranger, how hard is it to find one?
»www.decodethis.com/list/Ford/2007/Ranger

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Fri, 03 Sep 2010 08:58:38 EDT

psafux posted : absolutely good point ! I was referring to the ad alone though, there are generally MANY hints of an scammer once you make actual contact with them.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Thu, 02 Sep 2010 23:30:18 EDT

pcdebb posted :

said by psafux:

said by ruben :

I fell for the same scam!! It is a 2001 Yukon XL 4x4 for 2800 dollars. I actually sent the money thru western union but realized what I did and was able to stop payment on the western union transfer so I got lucky and didn't lose my money.

Usually, fake listings on craigslist will have a couple fairly constant indicators.

1) Unrealistic low price.
2) no license plate(s) visible in pictures. Many times photoshopped out.
3) free throwaway email address provided for contact. Gmail/hotmail/live, etc.

If an ad matches all three of these indicators, its VERY likely not legit.

Bottom line, craigslist + shipping cars = a scam.

also add if the VIN is missing and/or their unwillingness to provide it to you (for example, to allow you to carfax, etc)
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Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:48:12 EDT

peterboro posted :

said by Snowy:

The first thing that comes to mind is the 419'ers credo
"Once a sucker, always a sucker"
Contacting a victim with promises of getting their money returned (for an advance fee of course) is a common ploy.
There is no help, just another scam.

Like my thread. »Lads to the rescue! As ripped off police officers.

I tried to work them but they wouldn't play. Very cautious.

Re: [Scam] Ebay's Motor Vehicle Protection Program (VPP)

Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:22:20 EDT

Dennis posted :

Yeah kind of what I was thinking too. Since they never responded to my comment. Then I'm pretty sure that's the case.

There is NO way to get money back from WU once it's been picked up.
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