Topic 'Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?' in forum 'Canadian Chat' - dslreports.com

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:56:15 EDT

NefCanuck posted : See, my problem with P.E. is what a lot of people have pointed out:

"P.E. is not One Size Fits All"

As a mildly disabled person, I was not given any sort of accomidation in gym classes because either:

a) The instructor had no clue *how* to accomidate for my disability (Leaving me trying to climb that stupid rope with no way in hell that I could do it because it was physically impossible)

or

b) Didn't care and wasn't about to let someone "get away" with not doing all the activities that others were doing. This led to one of my more traumatic memories of "Participaction"

Being forced into doing the 5K run and not being released from phys ed until I completed it, some 20 minutes later than the last able bodied student, meaning I showed up late for my next class covered in sweat, in my gym clothes.

I finally told my parents after that episode that either you get the staff to ease up, get me out of gym class or I'm not going back to school.

I had the note in my hand five minutes later. Phys Ed. isn't supposed to be traumatic :mad:

I do exercise now as an adult, but at my own pace taking into account those exercises that I can't do and substituting others as I go.

NefCanuck

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:12:43 EDT

Thingamajig posted :

said by kim:

Sorry could you speak up. I'm at the top of the rope and it's hard to hear you up this high.

Sorry to hear you are at the end of your rope. Hopefully things will get better. * Hugs* :D
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Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:09:09 EDT

BryceS posted :

said by yoyomhz:

my P.E. teacher wanted some kids to get pnemonia - and die.

He made us go outside to p[lay soccer, in late September, when it was FREEEEEEEZING, with only a tee shirt and shorts.

Now, I wouldn't listen to my sadistic teacher. I would go inside where it is warm, and play basketball - not run around on a field, risking getting pnemonia, or swine flu.

That is your fault for not coming to school prepared.

You should have athletic clothes for all seasons kept at school for days where gym class would be outside.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:02:10 EDT

Bob Anderson posted : Google for parallel bars skills and watch the videos.

The bars teach coordination between the limbs and your balance. You cannot get hurt and if you slip you only fall about six feet on to mats. A few hours practice for a few days will give you all the confidence you need to climb the rope. Remember, I said you cannot fall from the rope. You always have your hands and if necessary your feet gripping the rope. The only way you would ever let go of the rope would be if you had a heart attack. Other very good exercises are the wooden horse and overhead bars.

-Bob

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:00:34 EDT

urbanriot posted : ...you can catch swine flu from the cold? Wow.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:59:05 EDT

peterboro posted :

said by yoyomhz:

He made us go outside to p[lay soccer, in late September, when it was FREEEEEEEZING, with only a tee shirt and shorts.

Dude I used to walk to school ten miles in a blizzard everyday, all winter, uphill, both ways, in a tee shirt.

That's a day at the beach for me. Besides you're in Beverly Hills it's over 80 in September.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:52:17 EDT

yoyomhz posted : my P.E. teacher wanted some kids to get pnemonia - and die.

He made us go outside to p[lay soccer, in late September, when it was FREEEEEEEZING, with only a tee shirt and shorts.

Now, I wouldn't listen to my sadistic teacher. I would go inside where it is warm, and play basketball - not run around on a field, risking getting pnemonia, or swine flu.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:41:28 EDT

yoyomhz posted :

said by Bob Anderson:

...the parallel bars.

-Bob

the parallel bars?

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:29:35 EDT

pnjunction posted :

said by Sukunai:

You want traumatized, I'll give ya traumatized. Every time I read something like your post I'm traumatized.

What is wrong with our schools when a real education is not important. Healthy body healthy mind. PC is rotting our future.

Here here!

I weep for our future.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:21:20 EDT

Sukunai posted :

said by yoyomhz:

In grade 8, the P.E. teacher made everyone climb the rope to the top of the gymnasium. If you fall down, from that height, you will die.

Why did the school make grade 8 kids do something that might kill them? I climbed two thirds of the way up, but I wasn't going to go all the way to the top. I'm not stupid.

What is wrong with our schools, when they try to traumatize kids?

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Jeeeeeeebus Christ, here's your sign wimp.

I could do that rope in 4 moves when I was in the army.
Went back to school as a returning adult student at 19. I did that 4 move option just to intimidate the teacher.

Maybe if more of our kids got their under exercised lard asses away from the PC and or console they could actually climb that rope like I did as a kid without the slightest hesitation.

Kill me? shit, no, maybe the trees I used to climb daily as a kid might have, as I routinely was up the equal of 4 stories on a windy day for laughs.

It's no wonder getting a kid to do a single pull up is a miracle. And your apprehension is deplorable support for the rot of our youth.

If we even looked at the gym teacher sideways it was good for 20 laps around the gym.

You want traumatized, I'll give ya traumatized. Every time I read something like your post I'm traumatized.

What is wrong with our schools when a real education is not important. Healthy body healthy mind. PC is rotting our future.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:41:26 EDT

Bob Anderson posted : When I was 14 I could climb a 35 foot rope to the top with out using my feet. I would then loosen my grip on the rope and literally slide down the rope at the speed of gravity, then clamp the rope with my feet a couple feet above the floor and let go. I could climb a rope and descend to the floor faster than any other kid in the class.

There is no danger of falling. What you experienced is a fear of falling. You should explain this to the instructors and concentrate on other forms of exercise such as the parallel bars.

-Bob

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:58:15 EDT

Last Parade posted :

said by uber69er:

said by neochu:

I got a concussion once from an overaggressive player and an extremely hard ball and pretty much refused to play it ever since.

Is that you dude? It must be. It was in Sarnia.
Hey the sub said we could use the basketball.
If I had known you would be traumatized for life..........

zuh?

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:34:59 EDT

uber69er posted :

said by neochu:

I got a concussion once from an overaggressive player and an extremely hard ball and pretty much refused to play it ever since.

Is that you dude? It must be. It was in Sarnia.
Hey the sub said we could use the basketball.
If I had known you would be traumatized for life..........

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:47:28 EDT

Anav posted : Coddling both physically and mentally. :-(

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:37:11 EDT

urbanriot posted :

said by neochu:

No actually I was public-ally educated with the rest of society and full of teachers and peers like you I had to learn to defend myself from.

You seem to have had an experience that's at the worst end of the spectrum, that's influencing your ideas, as most people aren't targeted for attack in gym class. Can you not consider a compromise that physically challenges our children to improve themselves? Perhaps a few weaker students need molly coddling, but that doesn't mean the majority of the students should suffer.

said by neochu:

Thats just your own belief because you cant stand your antiquated methods don't work anymore and is in fact making the situation worse.

Conversely I see the new methods of bubble wrapping our children making the situation far worse. Our lowered physical education standards seems to be producing overweight and/or physically weaker young adults that are afraid of physically taxing themselves.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:29:51 EDT

donoreo posted : I cannot believe that there are people being serious in a Yoyo thread.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:02:35 EDT

Xerom62 posted : It's just like the Rocky movies. ;)

"I must break you"

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:57:14 EDT

pnjunction posted :

said by neochu:

said by pnjunction:

Ah yes the 'new methods' of cutting PE down to a minimum and having a society full of dull-minded lardasses is working beautifully.

Well its not much better than your solution of "breaking" people into submission is your solution for the ills in the world.

Its either my solution or yours. Keep putting kids in casts and beating them around or remove the risk completely because people don't know what "moderation" means and never will.

Its not something you can use extremes to teach ;)

You've exposed yourself as black-and-white simple thinker who thinks moderation is impossible. Look at you blowing a little bit exercise into 'breaking people' and their bones. It's pathetic.

Go ahead and raise your precious snowflakes that will melt as soon as the sun shines on them.

Even if the system won't do it my kids will be challenged not to 'break them' but to help them grow as people. Here's how things work: people are challenged, they rise to the challenge, then they feel real pride and a sense of accomplishment. Instead we have the current 'challenge is hard and carries risk' and 'stickers and certificates for everyone!' garbage.

The world does not work this way. Not everyone gets stickers and certificates, they compete for them. You're setting them up for a (short, health-problem riddled) life of whining, disappointment and failure.

You don't 'submit' to the ills of the world you face them head on instead of avoiding them.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:50:28 EDT

neochu posted :

said by pnjunction:

Ah yes the 'new methods' of cutting PE down to a minimum and having a society full of dull-minded lardasses is working beautifully.

Well its not much better than your solution of "breaking" people into submission for the ills in the world.

Its either my solution or yours. Keep putting kids in casts and beating them into terrorists or remove the risk completely because people don't know what "moderation" means and never will.

Its not something you can use extremes to teach ;)

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:45:30 EDT

pnjunction posted :

said by neochu:

No actually thats just your own belief because you cant stand your antiquated methods don't work anymore.

Ah yes the 'new methods' of cutting PE down to a minimum and having a society full of dull-minded weak-willed lardasses are working beautifully.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:43:59 EDT

neochu posted :

said by aww wahhh you were totally homeschooled

No actually I was public-ally educated with the rest of society and full of teachers and peers like you I had to learn to defend myself from.

Thats just your own belief because you cant stand your antiquated methods don't work anymore and is in fact making the situation worse.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:38:29 EDT

Last Parade posted :

said by neochu:

said by Last Parade:

...or we could toughen up our boys instead of treating them like precious little darlings.

...or we could toughen up our boys instead of treating them like precious little darlings.

...or we could toughen up our boys instead of treating them like precious little darlings.

...or we could toughen up our boys instead of treating them like precious little darlings.

Sure lets just beat everyone who isn't tough enough for you into submission so you have an entire class in casts with pins in their arms.

Like that ever worked to fix your problems.

sounds just like bullying to me

aww wahhh you were totally homeschooled

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:36:12 EDT

neochu posted :

Sure lets just beat everyone who isn't tough enough for you into submission so you have an entire class in casts with pins in their arms.

Like that ever worked to fix your problems because proving your not good enough to survive actually teaches you how to.

Sounds just like bullying to me.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:31:49 EDT

Last Parade posted :

said by urbanriot:

said by neochu:

And why not cut a program thats viewed as a method of bullying, lowering academic performance, and injury risk. Why waste the revenue on it.

...or we could toughen up our boys instead of treating them like precious little darlings. There are plenty of methods of engaging our kids in an intense physical workout that doesn't create an environment of bullying and there's plenty of scientific evidence that a healthy body increases academic performance.

It can't be reiterated enough:

...or we could toughen up our boys instead of treating them like precious little darlings.

...or we could toughen up our boys instead of treating them like precious little darlings.

...or we could toughen up our boys instead of treating them like precious little darlings.

...or we could toughen up our boys instead of treating them like precious little darlings.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:28:58 EDT

pnjunction posted :

said by neochu:

And why not cut a program thats viewed as a method of bullying, lowering academic performance, and injury risk. Why waste the revenue on it.

Right just cut gym right out because the little snowflakes could get hurt or teased.

This is the kind of bullshiat I'm talking about. The fatties and the whiners have won. Our whole society has begun it's steady and inevitable decline as instead of putting any pressure whatsoever on people to improve and succeed we make things easy and sugarcoat life.

You hear about triumphing over adversity and becoming stronger. People who never face any adversity and coast through life end up weak and useless. It's already common. My peers in undergrad where a glaring example. Any tough test or hard deadline "wasn't fair" and their whining was incessant.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:27:55 EDT

neochu posted :

said by urbanriot:

You're incorrect; your exaggerated scenario is not what "toughening up" means to me, whatsoever. For me, it means encouraging kids to discover their own limits while strengthening their bodies, mind and 'spirit' through intense physical exercise that doesn't result in injury.

I spent 4 years in an elementary school, pushed to the limits, experiencing exerting workouts with my peers and in those years I'd never seen or heard of any student in our school experiencing the extreme scenarios you present.

The problem is those "limits" are not the same for every student or person and when someone is pushed beyond their physical limits injuries will happen. Sometimes its a concussion or a rotator cuff injury (discus throwing) other times its a pulled or sprained muscle. One you can play through the other is probably best left to rest.

Traditional Physical education methods don't recognize those physical limits and force kids to participate through ways that usually worsen such injuries instead of educating on how to deal with it properly.

If your phys education teacher was able to recognize this and "train properly" than consider yourself lucky as many don't.

said by urbanriot:

Perhaps I should not have used the colloquialism "toughening up" as it seems you've attached a stigma to it. Lately it seems as though the curriculum has been retooled to provide students with a less than physical education.

"Toughening up" comes from the attitude about playing through painful injuries and not acknowledging them. Even though the more complementary method would be to change your activity or rest and recover.

In a society that isn't properly educated about how rest and recovery works either a person will force themselves into more serious injury or just quit such an activity completely.

I think educationally and through attitudes this is just being reflected. It doesn't help in a liability conscious and revenue strained educational economy either to have such issues happening either.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:23:47 EDT

ThrowDemsOut posted :

LOL. Today's kids idea of exercise is toughening up their texting thumbs or exercising their trigger fingers(Toronto schools only). :D
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Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:09:05 EDT

urbanriot posted :

said by neochu:

And anyone who says "kids need to be toughened up" believes in letting kids break bones, get concussions, and tear tendons and ligaments (or be failed). Because they don't understand that there are physical limits that should not be crossed (even in adults).

You're incorrect; your exaggerated scenario is not what "toughening up" means to me, whatsoever. For me, it means encouraging kids to discover their own limits while strengthening their bodies, mind and 'spirit' through intense physical exercise that doesn't result in injury.

I spent 4 years in an elementary school, pushed to the limits, experiencing exerting workouts with my peers and in those years I'd never seen or heard of any student in our school experiencing the extreme scenarios you present.

Perhaps I should not have used the colloquialism "toughening up" as it seems you've attached a stigma to it. Lately it seems as though the curriculum has been retooled to provide students with a less than physical education.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:58:41 EDT

neochu posted :

said by urbanriot:

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..or we could toughen up our boys instead of treating them like precious little darlings. There are plenty of methods of engaging our kids in an intense physical workout that doesn't create an environment of bullying and there's plenty of scientific evidence that a healthy body increases academic performance.

And anyone who says "kids need to be toughened up" believes in letting kids break bones, get concussions, and tear tendons and ligaments (or be failed). Because they don't understand that there are physical limits that should not be crossed (even in adults). True that there is the issue of being defencive, (thanks to liability) but the other extreme is just as bad.

This also is why most Phys Ed teachers I know now get H.K. degrees. And why most districts usually require it for their phys ed teachers (if they even keep it on the curriculum).

Also Bobcat: lol

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:57:33 EDT

Bobcat posted :

said by Varlik:

That's the norm attitude for most PE teachers unfortunately. Most of mine carried the title of Coach and many acted like Drill Instructors. This didn't instill in me and others a great love of PE let alone help contribute towards a positive mentality about exercise.

The only failing grade I ever received in my entire life was in gym class.
That gym teacher was later killed in a plane crash.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:51:24 EDT

urbanriot posted :

said by neochu:

And why not cut a program thats viewed as a method of bullying, lowering academic performance, and injury risk. Why waste the revenue on it.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:45:57 EDT

neochu posted :

said by Jackorama:

Anyone remember MurderBall where you got to terrorize all the nobs in your class without getting in trouble. :D

You reminded me of "The 5 D's of Dodgeball" :p

(youtube clip)

And thats why dodge-ball was banned. Murder-ball sounds like immediate grounds for teacher dismissal or student expulsion (under the Safe Schools Act). I got a concussion once from an overaggressive player and an extremely hard ball and pretty much refused to play it ever since.

I think anyone who believes that you should let kids get injured in this way is a good way to make the obesity epidemic worse

as for the op "the rope" was meant to push a kid beyond his or her own comfort zone through academic discipline and peer pressure. I don't remember anyone dying from it but broken bones and pretty serious fractures were pretty common.

I think though the risks op talked about was the reason why they stopped doing it. (or at least improved safety standards with thicker mats and whatnot). There were better and safer methods to teach the skills required and they began to recognize this as society became more safety aware. (possibly to a heavier extent but thats another argument)

Im thinking any teacher that pushes a child to the point of being degraded, bullied, insulted, or poorly marked if they don't perform high enough (scoring enough goals in floor hockey) though the whole "drill sergeant" mentality is giving them a disservice. Any coach or instructor that forces a student to injury this way is probably abusive because thats not what the point of physical education is.

A good instructor doesn't need to do this to achieve results.

My self well being terribly uncoordinated Phys ED even in the mid and late 90's was difficult to the point I dreaded it I pretty much nearly failed it every year because I didn't "perform to standard" and I was marked accordingly.

Though this of course had nothing to do with "fitness" because my VO2 max was like 45 or 46 when I tested it in grade 12 and my fitness level currently (while not perfect) could be alot worse - especially with medication that effects things.

I learned on my own that physical education is not about "scoring goals in floor hockey" thankfully but how to live an active and healthy life. Sadly most of my peers and students today don't because of the old attitudes and I think its why the fitness issue is there.

And why not cut a program thats viewed as a method of bullying, lowering academic performance, and injury risk. Why waste the revenue on it.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:13:58 EDT

ThrowDemsOut posted :

said by urbanriot:

We didn't have ropes but we had a drill sergeant style gym teacher who drove us to work as hard as hell at our physical fitness. I hated it when I was young, but in retrospect, it provided me with an extremely positive healthy lifestyle that I brought with me into adulthood.

We didn't have ropes in PE. But we did have drain pipes to the top of 2 story row houses, which we used to get on the rooftops - even the girls did it.
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Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:26:35 EDT

Airwolf posted : Ha ha. Ow.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:25:24 EDT

DKS posted :

said by uber69er:

said by DKS:

Why do you think all the guys look up? ;)

Aren't you a little old to be having those thoughts. :p

One is never to old to have thoughts.
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Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:23:31 EDT

Jackorama posted : Anyone remember MurderBall where you got to terrorize all the nobs in your class without getting in trouble. :D

You reminded me of "The 5 D's of Dodgeball" :p

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQqkQKde_kU

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:17:23 EDT

uber69er posted :

said by DKS:

Why do you think all the guys look up? ;)

Aren't you a little old to be having those thoughts. :p

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:16:06 EDT

bluebaron2 posted :

said by DKS:

said by kim:

Sorry could you speak up. I'm at the top of the rope and it's hard to hear you up this high.

Why do you think all the guys look up? ;)

Why do you think all the guys are holding their gym bags in front of them as they look up? ;)
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Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:14:32 EDT

DKS posted :

said by kim:

Sorry could you speak up. I'm at the top of the rope and it's hard to hear you up this high.

Why do you think all the guys look up? ;)
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Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:13:26 EDT

DKS posted :

said by bluebaron2:

And that post says you're a slow learner DKS . :p ;)

My eyes are dim, I cant see, I have not brought my specs with me... :D
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Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:01:28 EDT

uber69er posted :

said by Airwolf:

There are different variations, in the end you get to whip a utility or volley ball at someone.

Once we had a replacement teacher and I convinced her we always played with a basketball.
Being a sadistic bastard back then I was in heaven needless to say.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:01:14 EDT

BryceS posted : Progression of simple games that separate the men from the boys:

Elementary school was dodge ball and king's court.

High school was, "The Rope," or, "The Pegs," in addition to the elementary school games.

College/University are flip cup, beer pong, monkey chug, boat racing etc.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:55:30 EDT

Airwolf posted : There are different variations, in the end you get to whip a utility or volley ball at someone.

I couldn't get people out, but I was a "little shit" with dodging.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:52:48 EDT

uber69er posted : Same thing.

Edit: oh look yoyo you are a sticky again, your goal on these I think

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:49:34 EDT

urbanriot posted : We occasionally had dodge ball, which was awesome, but I'm not sure if that's the same thing.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:39:30 EDT

uber69er posted :

said by Jackorama:

A little off topic (sorry.....

No such thing in a yoyo thread.

Anyone remember MurderBall where you got to terrorize all the nobs in your class without getting in trouble. :D

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:33:19 EDT

Last Parade posted :

said by yoyomhz:

what's a pair pal?

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"man up"

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:08:54 EDT

kim posted : Sorry could you speak up. I'm at the top of the rope and it's hard to hear you up this high.

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:02:02 EDT

bluebaron2 posted : And that post says you're a slow learner DKS . :p ;)

Re: Why do they traumatize kids in Phys. Ed. in school?

Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:43:46 EDT

DKS posted :

Thank you. This post explains much.

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