coalition
@primus.ca
| Coalition with wind mobile?
Just a thought out there:
Since wind mobile is fighting against the outrageous CRTC decision, why not team up with them and fight these nasty evil giants. Their cause is different (wireless) but the wholesalers and wind mobile have the same enemy. With 10000 signatures now signed for the dissolution of CRTC, maybe Wind can use this to their advantage as well. |
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chronoss2009
join:2008-09-23
 ·TekSavvy Solutions..
| ive already been saying it and it makes a nice fit in reality , and would give some caip members a good investment that they can then use for added value and revenues to continue the fight.
In other words if you can afford too invest in caip members
if they can afford to invest in what can make you some money remember its ok to make money just you should not have to step on people or there lives to do it. |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| reply to coalition
TekSavvy has hinted that they want to get into other domains; Satellite TV and mobile service have been mentioned by Rocky in the past. If you ask me, Wind Mobile would probably make more sense to be an MVNO with than Bellus/Rogers.
Unfortunately, Wind doesn't have the nation-wide coverage that Bellus/Rogers do (missing Quebec), and while most of TekSavvy's customers are in Ontario, there are still a decent number of us here in Quebec. |
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freejazz_RdJ
join:2009-03-10
| The major stumbling block for doing an MVNO is scale. In order for it to payoff, you need a certain minimum number of customers to cover your startup and operating costs. This is easier for PC, Speakout and others because they already own a distribution network and are prepaid, meaning there are is no bad debt to manage and free money from expiring airtime. They also appear to outsource all their systems and customer service to their network provider, leveraging the scale of their network provider.
I think a re-sold product where TSI takes a commission would be much easier overall, but does give them less control over pricing and their profits. They'd be in the same boat as they are with Bell, most of the revenue going to the carrier. |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | Reselling mobile, though, can possibly give you the momentum to push into being an MVNO. |
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infamouskid
join:2007-01-24
North York, ON
| reply to coalition
this could work though since all teksavvy services right now are all prepaid.
could teksavvy support the users that would sign up for this proposed idea of services? not right now. that's more hiring and training needed. not to mention the marketing needed to get that ship going.
personally if teksavvy ever choose to go wireless mobility, cable internet, satellite tv, cable tv or iptv. i would switch and not care if it costed a bit more. i'm so tired of the big 3 and i think teksavvy and wind mobile both have that same common business approach with its customers. it is time for change and so far tek has been doing a great job showing bell how far real customer service on canadian soil can go.
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kyle747
join:2008-04-09
Orleans, ON
| reply to coalition
If teksavvy sold wireless I'd certainly buy it through them - and I'd be shocked if they didn't sell like hotcakes !
Pretty much everyone I know hates their wireless provider - I'd go with 'savvy just for the rationalized billing. Can't even get robber's to send me a bill monthly after 5 calls !
Interesting post. |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
1 edit | reply to freejazz_RdJ
7-11 and Petro Canada don't really own a distribution network, they are a reseller of ztar mobile who provides most of the services. Actually in this case, getting a reseller deal with ztar mobile would probably work for TSI. There's a good margin for customer value but also added revenue for TSI and TSI would be free to offer their own billing for end user customers so they could just add airtime top ups to customers existing bills.
And yes there would be a bit of overhead with support but telephone support I believe can be handled by Ztar and TSI could offer online options for top up and account changes. |
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lyth
join:2008-05-21
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to coalition
I would love to see this happen, but it would be pretty surprising because companies like Tek and Acanac are already spending such a large amount of money fighting the stupidity of Bell and the CRTC. Where are they going to pull out enough money to buy up a significant enough amount of Orascom's investment in Globalive? |
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Omr
join:2004-01-10
M1S-1B3
| reply to coalition
Well personally as much as I like TSI I don't think they have the clout to to run a wireless option in this current state. This is big money being gambled, and TSI's ceiling was reached a couple $100mil ago. I think before moving into different operations, TSI has to consolidate it's Internet sector and turn it into a bigger operation.
What TSI and other CAIP members can do is they can become minority investors that get interest plus they turn the yak brand into a reseller by forcing Globalives hand. TSI and CAIP member can reach a bigger audience if their services were sold in triple play options. I know it sounds like a douche move but in the interest of competition, this is the best time to get a framework for building something together going. |
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ohzopants
join:2008-05-16
Ottawa, ON | reply to coalition
There's a rather big problem with this proposal. Yak (Globalive's long distance/ISP) is already a CAIP member.
If Wind is going to launch a partnership with an ISP, I'm pretty sure they'd "keep it in the family". |
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coalition
@primus.ca
| reply to coalition
Seeing how much heat the CRTC is taking lately (windmobile, TV charges), i think the CAIP should take this chance and jump on the train. The media is totally fueled by all this right now and it is now the BEST chance to educate people on net neutrality. just keep it simple: CRTC is killing off the competition (CAIP) and soon or later, there will be gigantic price hikes. The big telcos are doing the same thing to windmobile as the CAIP: stopping the competition and the CRTC is allowing it. |
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R0CKY
TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | reply to coalition
Trust me... you can count on our already having discussed options with them on this. The obvious problem on moving forward relates to the ownership rights..... otherwise, we'd be working on a marketing plan with them by now. |
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Robrr
join:2008-04-19
Toronto, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Rogers Hi-Speed
| said by R0CKY  : Trust me... you can count on our already having discussed options with them on this. The obvious problem on moving forward relates to the ownership rights..... otherwise, we'd be working on a marketing plan with them by now. I'll keep that tidbit in my pocket for later, might come in handy.  |
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bryanviper
join:2002-10-12
Toronto, CAN
·TekSavvy Solutions..
|  reply to R0CKY
said by R0CKY : Trust me... you can count on our already having discussed options with them on this. The obvious problem on moving forward relates to the ownership rights..... otherwise, we'd be working on a marketing plan with them by now. well thats good news at least, hopefully you guys are still talking & can come up with something, it would be great fro you to offer cell phone service 
& if your not talking I suggest you get back to the table.... PLEASE for all of us =)
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Martian3
join:2004-10-17
Lindsay, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to coalition
So far, Rocky has proven to be a very shrewd businessman -- shrewd enough at least to realize that screwing your customer base is a bad idea, and that puts him head and shoulders above the rest of Canadian telecom.
I would've honestly been surprised if he'd come into this thread saying he hadn't already considered this. |
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joshb
Don't sweat the small stuff.
Premium
join:2006-03-04
Calgary, AB
clubs:
·TELUS
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Shaw
 ·Primus Talkbroadband
 ·GoDaddy Hosting
| reply to R0CKY
said by R0CKY : Trust me... you can count on our already having discussed options with them on this. The obvious problem on moving forward relates to the ownership rights..... otherwise, we'd be working on a marketing plan with them by now. Well, You are Canadian, Through and through... And so is your company... This might be a stupid totally impossible idea... But why not take some / part ownership in Wind mobile... Might solve the problem...
I hate to say it. But in the current ownership configuration Wind is most likely doomed... They're going to need another Canadian investor to help them.
Regards
Joshb
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HeadSpinning
join:2005-05-29
Windsor, ON
| said by joshb : I hate to say it. But in the current ownership configuration Wind is most likely doomed... They're going to need another Canadian investor to help them. One with deep pockets. It would take several hundred million to dilute Orascom down to an acceptable ownership level for the CRTC. |
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chronoss2009
join:2008-09-23
·TekSavvy Solutions..
| reply to Guspaz
said by Guspaz :TekSavvy has hinted that they want to get into other domains; Satellite TV and mobile service have been mentioned by Rocky in the past. If you ask me, Wind Mobile would probably make more sense to be an MVNO with than Bellus/Rogers. Unfortunately, Wind doesn't have the nation-wide coverage that Bellus/Rogers do (missing Quebec), and while most of TekSavvy's customers are in Ontario, there are still a decent number of us here in Quebec. um your point hten being that just cause wind doesnt have your area covered not to do it? um thats not how business works if ROCKY can make a buck GO FOR IT.
THEY like him hires canadians, and in many peoples opinions would be a really good fit.
Diversification is the key to success. |
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joshb
Don't sweat the small stuff.
Premium
join:2006-03-04
Calgary, AB
clubs:
·TELUS
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Shaw
·Primus Talkbroadband
·GoDaddy Hosting
| reply to HeadSpinning
I sort of figured that was the case... But I thought I would through the idea out anyways....
I think they might be doomed to failure.. 
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