 antdudeA Ninja AntPremium,VIP join:2001-03-25 kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Framed for child porn 151; by a PC virus »tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091108/···e/us_tec from »it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0···/2135245 ...
"The Associated Press tells the story of Michael Fiola, a former Massachusetts government employee who was arrested in 2007 after child porn was found on his state-issued laptop computer. He was eventually cleared of all charges after some digging by the defense found that the laptop was infected with malware that was 'programmed to visit as many as 40 child porn sites per minute an inhuman feat. While Fiola and his wife were out to dinner one night, someone logged on to the computer and porn flowed in for an hour and a half. Prosecutors performed another test and confirmed the defense findings. The charge was dropped 11 months after it was filed.' The article also discusses the technical aspects of how it could happen and about similar cases in the United Kingdom in 2003." -- Ant @ »antfarm.ma.cx and »aqfl.net. Please do not IM/e-mail me for technical support. Use the forum! Disclaimer: The views expressed in this posting are mine, and do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer |
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 Dude111An Awesome DudePremium join:2003-08-04 USA kudos:10 | Its good they found this out!! (Its sad it took so long) |
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 Blue2Premium join:2004-04-14 France kudos:1 | reply to antdude He's apparently sad to the tune of $250,000, attempting to clear himself when facing 5 years jail time. What's sad is that hot buttons like "pedophile" make you guilty until proven innocent, and once the wheels begin to turn, it's impossible to stop them.
Remember Julie Amero, the substitute teacher arrested for showing porn to her students because the school didn't have the PC locked down? Know the upshot of that one?
"In June of 2007, Judge Hillary B. Strackbein tossed out Amero's conviction on charges that she intentionally caused a stream of "pop-up" pornography on the computer in her classroom and allowed students to view it. Confronted with evidence compiled by forensic computer experts, Strackbein ordered a new trial, saying the conviction was based on "erroneous" and "false information."
But since that dramatic reversal, local officials, police and state prosecutors were unwilling to admit that a mistake may have been made -- even after computer experts from around the country demonstrated that Amero's computer had been infected by "spyware."
New London County State's Attorney Michael Regan told me late Friday the state remained convinced Amero was guilty and was prepared to again go to trial.
"I have no regrets. Things took a course that was unplanned. Unfortunately the computer wasn't examined properly by the Norwich police," Regan said.
"For some reason this case caught the media's attention,'' Regan said." »blogs.courant.com/rick_green/200···arg.html
Gee, I wonder why? "Unplanned"? "Wasn't examined properly"? These officials should all be forced to stay after school and take remedial computer education classes before going back to work.
Amero agreed to plead guilty to a single charge of disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor (so the state wouldn't lose face) and lost her teaching license. And that's a winning case.
What's sad is that the state wastes all this time and manpower on these cases (a computer forensics expert should be able to verify if PC's are infected pretty quickly). Yet they have lots of trouble keeping tabs on a know sex offender like Phillip Garrido... |
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 hroo772Darkness Fears MePremium join:2002-04-05 Mclean, VA | reply to antdude If you've ever dealt with the legal system, people somehow forget that it's INNOCENT until proven guilty. |
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 Mele20Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI kudos:4 | said by hroo772:If you've ever dealt with the legal system, people somehow forget that it's INNOCENT until proven guilty. Umm....usually though ONLY when it concerns child porn. -- When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
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| reply to hroo772 said by hroo772:If you've ever dealt with the legal system, people somehow forget that it's INNOCENT until proven guilty. The media seem to have forgotten this, as do many people who hungrily gobble up what the media are spoon-feeding them. The news isn't about news anymore, it's about sensationalism and ratings.
As for these computer-related incidents, it shows just how ill-equipped many law-enforcement agencies are. They don't have the funding, resources, or people with proper technical skills to investigate these things. It also highlights how not properly securing your system can really ruin your day... |
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 chrisretusnRetiredPremium join:2007-08-13 Philippines kudos:1 1 edit | Agree the media is quick to convict. They often try to emphasize "alleged" but the story line has guilt written all over it.
This also emphasizes the importance of knowing your computer and what is on it.
-- Chris Living in Paradise!! |
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 Link LoggerPremium,MVM join:2001-03-29 Calgary, AB kudos:3 Reviews:
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| PC Virus are one way you can get into trouble, had a case here where it was an open Wifi connection and a drive-by kiddie porn addict, and again I will say training is critical for investigators. To make a good case you need to do more then show possession as yes files can be there for a number of different reasons. You need to be mindful of means, motive, and opportunity (see »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means,_mot···ortunity )
quote: In US Criminal law, means, motive, and opportunity is a popular cultural summation of the three aspects of a crime needed to convince a jury of guilt in a criminal proceeding. Respectively, they refer to: the ability of the defendant to commit the crime (means), the reason the defendant had to commit the crime (motive), and whether or not the defendant had the opportunity to commit the crime (opportunity). Ironically, motive is not an element of many crimes, but proving motive can often make it easier to convince a jury of the elements that must be proved for a conviction.
Means is important here as it implies two things on a computer, first someone willfully acquired the material in question (ie a pop up isn't willful) and secondly the identity of that person is known (ie not someone using the computer as a zombie under someone else's account). Now our local ICE group is trained and considers different ways in which files can end up on a system, as these are serious accusations which can have a huge impact on someone so accused, so you better be right (I suspect there is a law suit in the making here given its in the US). The local ICE group has an extremely high conviction rate as they do their work and know their stuff and if they tagged you, its only after they have bucket loads of evidence.
Blake -- Vendor: Author of Link Logger which is a traffic analysis and firewall logging tool |
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Here is yet another case where "wannabe security experts" screwed up........an in so doing messed over a person's life. Hey its just not that difficult to know when a computer is infected or has been infected. For anyone who knows anything at all about computers its even actually easy. An yet case after case happens where incorrect information is presented to the courts because some Wannabe Security Expert had no idea what they were doing......its downright shameful ! Sadly these same type of Wannabe Security Experts are advising government. An leading government down a Yellow Brick Road of ignorant ideas. |
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 RR ConductorHappy 40th AmtrakPremium join:2002-04-02 Redwood Valley, CA kudos:1 | reply to hroo772 said by hroo772:If you've ever dealt with the legal system, people somehow forget that it's INNOCENT until proven guilty. Well, in Russia it's guilty until proven innocent. -- You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything. |
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 atuarreHere come the drumsPremium join:2004-02-14 College Station, TX | reply to antdude said by antdude:» tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091108/···e/us_tec from » it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0···/2135245 ... "The Associated Press tells the story of Michael Fiola, a former Massachusetts government employee who was arrested in 2007 after child porn was found on his state-issued laptop computer. He was eventually cleared of all charges after some digging by the defense found that the laptop was infected with malware that was 'programmed to visit as many as 40 child porn sites per minute an inhuman feat. While Fiola and his wife were out to dinner one night, someone logged on to the computer and porn flowed in for an hour and a half. Prosecutors performed another test and confirmed the defense findings. The charge was dropped 11 months after it was filed.' The article also discusses the technical aspects of how it could happen and about similar cases in the United Kingdom in 2003." Of course, when you accuse someone of such charges you want to be sure, but you notice when they make a mistake, or wrongfully convict someone that there is no mention of damages being awarded? The persons life is ruined thanks to the state or the federal powers but yet there is no compensation for that. |
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 | reply to antdude A few years ago when I was in grade 7-8 we had this problem on our school computers, people would always get pop-ups for porn and adult websites. They had to reinstall windows on 500 computers. |
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 | reply to antdude Can you image being in custody, locked up and then after a few months in jail they finally release you. That is crazy. |
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 | reply to antdude It's unfortunate that this guys name was released even though he was never convicted of anything. The charges alone have tarnished his reputation. |
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 CylonRedPremium,MVM join:2000-07-06 Bloom County | reply to Mele20 said by Mele20:said by hroo772:If you've ever dealt with the legal system, people somehow forget that it's INNOCENT until proven guilty. Umm....usually though ONLY when it concerns child porn. Nope - as a male there are several others that are immediate branding, no matter the outcome. Not just child porn. -- Brian
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 Blue2Premium join:2004-04-14 France kudos:1 | reply to antdude Some things aren't going to change anytime soon, e.g. the media will always report sensationalist news. I don't focus too much on those.
Some things would be easy enough to change and should. One relates directly to the expertise on this forum.
If a cop fires a weapon needlessly or mistakenly, you can bet he'll be investigated by Internal Affairs to figure out what the circumstances were and to prevent it from happening again. What I'd suggest is that every time a D.A. accuses someone without the right evidence being collected first, it's no different that misfiring a weapon. The damage is done, and you need to figure out why it happened to insure that you prevent it from happening again.
That simply isn't happening. Perhaps the community of computer security professionals needs to put out a statement on how these searches ought to be conducted. Those who call themselves computer forensic experts are a public embarrassment. Their sloppy and unprofessional investigative work tarnishes those they accuse as well as the reputations of real security professionals.
Pehaps these criminal units need to have a better source for their forensic experts and there needs to be better screening of what makes them qualified. Send 'em here first so we can test them since those hiring them simply aren't qualified to judge. |
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 woody7Premium join:2000-10-13 Torrance, CA | reply to RR Conductor If not mistaken also in Great Britain -- BlooMe |
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 woody7Premium join:2000-10-13 Torrance, CA | reply to Blue2 problem is when a "DA" makes a "mistake" nothing happens to them, even when it is willfully done. -- BlooMe |
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| "problem is when a "DA" makes a "mistake" nothing happens to them"
As someone who's spent time locked up in jail for no damn reason.... damn right, nothing happens to 'the man' when they make a false accusation and drop all their charges.
You still lost those days out of your life and still have a bigass lawyer bill to pay and the prosecutor goes on to the next case without a care that they fucked up.
Oh well, yay freedom! |
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 meister_sdPremium join:2006-01-29 La Mesa, CA kudos:7 | reply to antdude I'd like to know WHERE they found the porn. Was it in "My Documents", where he could easily see the problem, or hidden - like in c:\windows\system32\abc123
Not that a legit user could try to hide the stuff there too, but just wondering..... |
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