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<description><![CDATA[chadrob30 posted : I forgot to post about our "peacemaker" class, lol. In the state of Arkansas it's required for parents that are divorcing to attend a class that teaches them how to act, what to say, etc....well my ex picked me up and we walked in together, sat next to each other, and even drew on each other's arms, lol...people were looking at us like "why are you two getting divorced?". Most of the other people either sat at the opposite end of the room as their spouse or sat together but didn't speak. Oh, and man was that class a meat market... :D]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jubangy posted : I didn't read through the whole 7 pages, but honestly this would probably be the outcome alot more in divorce cases if it weren't for the money grubbing attorneys. I know everyone needs one to save their but here and there, but I have seen quite a few divorce cases that started out ammicable, and tuened into a holy war due to nothing else other then the lawyer trying to score big pay days. Sad but more often then not true. <br>To the op, sorry for the situation, but congrats on you and your wife putting your child at the forefront and holding your ground and keeping ti peaceful. In my opinion, your guys's case should be documented and everyone going through divorce should be made to study it to learn how it is supposed to go if it must happen.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 01:08:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Van posted : That is really good to hear. <br><br>What you did is something that not many people can do and will really benefit your child in the future. <br><br>Good luck with everything]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 00:44:10 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Hayward posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/621467" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=621467');">chadrob30</a>:</small><br><br>Well, tonight the wife and I decided to go our separate ways after 9 years.  We have agreed to do the divorce as quickly and painlessly (is there such a thing?) as possible.<br> </div> We have a Laywer in town that specializes in that and calls his business DIVORCE WITHOUT WAR.<br><br>  Its all in how you are willing to deal with each other as to how simple it can be.<br><small>--<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://haywardm.com" >haywardm.com</A> (Hayward's Key West)<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[chadrob30 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/154241" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=154241');">John_W</a>:</small><br><br>All i can say is wow.  She has physical custody and you get to claim her as a dependent and no child support to boot.  You either have the worlds best lawyer, or she had the worlds worst.  <br> </div>Not sure exactly how it's worded, but we have joint custody, with the mother's house being the primary residence for my daughter. We see her almost equally, because every other week I pick her up and keep her until 8 pm, then on that weekend she's with me all night Fr, Sa, until 8 pm Sunday. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[John_W posted : All i can say is wow.  She has physical custody and you get to claim her as a dependent and no child support to boot.  You either have the worlds best lawyer, or she had the worlds worst.  <br><small>--<br><b><A HREF="/forum/disco">Team Discovery</a></b>--<b><A HREF="/forum/helix">BBR Team Helix</a></b>--<b>Cuz I Care!!</b></small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:18:07 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[jmorlan posted : That's an excellent outcome.  Best of luck!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:02:04 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Kilroy posted : Congratulations.  Hopefully it all works out.  Until your daughter is 18 all of this can still change.  I know, I went back to court about every six months after my first divorce.  Hope you don't have to have that experience, and the associated expense.<br><small>--<br>When will the people realize that with DRM they aren't purchasing anything?</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:37:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[chadrob30 posted : UPDATE- the divorce was final today....I got what I wanted and she got what she wanted, and we are still friends...I didn't get hit with child support or 401K, we will both claim our daughter for 2009 taxes, and I will claim her every year thereafter, joint custody, and I have her every other weekend... :)]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:28:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[atuarre posted : GET A LAWYER. Before you know it, that sweet smile and those promises will melt like butter on a skillet, and she'll be a bitch, and you'll end up paying all this money, and you'll be a deadbeat dad for whatever reason.<br><br>Do as others have suggested and get a lawyer quick!]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:33:43 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[jmorlan posted : What I see is people projecting their own situation onto those of the OP.  His situation is not necessarily the same.  Furthermore the conflicting advice seems to stem from vastly different experiences.<br><br>Having said that, I must echo what you said....<br><br><b>Work it out, and don't get divorced at all.</b><br><br>...if at all possible.  Divorce should be the absolute last option.  <br><small>--<br>This is not a rehearsal.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:25:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[gatorkram posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/621467" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=621467');">chadrob30</a>:</small><br><br>  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>If you and your spouse are not in love, you dread coming home and you fantasize daily about being in a happier situation, that sounds more harmful to you if you continue to stay together.<hr></blockquote><br><br>Nail, meet head. You got that right on the money.<br> </div>Well, I guess my last post wasn't all that useful after seeing this post. Sorry man, hang in there.<br><small>--<br>Give me bandwidth or give me death!<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/testhistory/661871/4f240">/testhistory/661871/4f240</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[gatorkram posted : This topic keeps popping up, so it must still be something people want to chat about, so my final addition to the thread, is...<br><br><b>Work it out, and don't get divorced at all.</b><br><small>--<br>Give me bandwidth or give me death!<br>&raquo;<A HREF="/testhistory/661871/4f240">/testhistory/661871/4f240</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[iowaboy posted : Sorry to hear what you are going through. Been there myself, WOW, about 19 years ago. Everything you have posted sure brings back a lot of bad memories. Ok, What I had found for myself and I always tells others is that You need to take care of your self first. If you can't then you can not take care of anyone else. This is meaning that you do need to make sure you are taken care of so you can take care of your daughter as her well being will be in your hands. Always think that your soon ex will say everything she can to put you down in front of your daughter's eyes and ears. Even though both of you are told that neither should do that it will happen. Also it will hard to not say something that your daughter should noy hear. Just remember to hold her tight and tell her how much you love her. That is what she will always want to know. I have not heard of any court which will not let the mother be the primary custody. They always grant that even though the mother is not the best parent. The courts are deaf to any evidence that shows that. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[chadrob30 posted :  <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr>If you and your spouse are not in love, you dread coming home and you fantasize daily about being in a happier situation, that sounds more harmful to you if you continue to stay together.<hr></blockquote><br><br>Nail, meet head. You got that right on the money.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[fatmanskinny posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/665654" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=665654');">SOLdesign</a>:</small><br><br>or you could look at this another way.<br><br>Your child is much more important that you or your wife's "comfort".  Divorce is a bitch, especially for kids.  Don't put your kid through it if you really don't have to...<br><br>make sure you are ready to completely disrupt your child's life like this, is it worth it?<br> </div>There are so many people who decide to stay together "because of the kids". You ARE NOT married to your children. Yes, they will be your children as long as you breathe. However, you are human and have the right to better your life, too.<br><br>If you and your spouse are not in love, you dread coming home and you fantasize daily about being in a happier situation, that sounds more harmful to you if you continue to stay together. <br><br>Your children will get through the divorce if both parents are mature and supportive. When the parents play games with each other and put the kids in the middle, then you will have resentful children. Those type of parents fail to realize that, one day, they may be elderly and need their children to help them. <br><br>No matter what happens between my wife and I (I am interested in this thread because I am THISCLOSE to his situation), I will continue to be a loving and supportive father to my daughter. <br><small>--<br><b> Satan is always busy. He makes bad things look good and good things look bad! Watch that Devil. </b></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[chadrob30 posted : Thanks again guys (and gals)...so far all is as good as it can be I guess. Her mother is going to pay off the Yukon so my wife won't have to worry about that, her parents are also helping her refinance the Camry and the house, as those were both in our names...what a pain in the ass....we went out to eat last night and had a good, civil talk, which was good. I read some things on her Facebook wall like "we are getting along better already" and "we are better friends now" etc. So all is not lost. Divorce is more of a pain and inconvenience than anything...I got to take my daughter to school Friday, and I saw her again today, so that is good... :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Axekick posted : First of all I am very sorry to hear you are having problems or at least lacking contentment in your marriage. I would encourage what others have already suggested, trying to talk about it, work on it, seek counseling if possible. Now I realize you didn't post every important detail so only you and her would know if this route is worth pursuing.<br><br>I also say get a Lawyer before agreeing to anything. I've watched more divorces(including my own) start at as mutually agreeable splits in everyone's best interest and turn into a nightmare on a moments notice(usually once the lawyers get involved). If one lawyer represents both of you then you have the best chance at a truly civil divorce.<br><br>The Yukon is a sticky situation and I am not sure how to advise you without knowing more details. Probably best to sell it outright and equitably pay off what ever remaining balance is left. If neither of you can afford it alone then the bank probably will not remove either name from the vehicle until it is paid off.<br><br>I tend to think your instincts are spot on about the possibility of your wife saying this to appease you and turning bitch later.. but I may very well be wrong. Based on my life experience that is more often the norm, but Not always. <br><br>I think joint custody can be assumed under the circumstances as you've described them. But typically the mother has primary custody and the father has them on weekends or every other weekend, fathers day, every other holiday, etc... think about what will satisfy you along these lines and negotiate it but know before hand what your ultimate goal is.<br><br>No Yukon, No House, No Job, No amount of money, jewelry, etc.. will ever mean as much as your daughter. Keep her happiness and welfare first and foremost and never lose track of your priorities. That's not to say agree to sleep under a bridge so she can have a few extra hundred dollars per month. Your daughter will be happiest if everyone remains happy and civil in their relations.<br><br>Lastly I am very sorry that you all are going through this ordeal. No matter how beat down you may feel at times know that brighter days are Always ahead, even if you cannot yet see or imagine them. I wish you all the very best.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : The best divorce is the one before the wedding.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jmorlan posted : Although I certainly recommend counseling, therapy and anything else you can do to avoid divorce if humanly possible, there may be times when divorce becomes inevitable.<br><br>If there are children in such a situation, it is absolutely critical that the parents, at a minimum, maintain the appearance of a cordial and respectful friendship.  If you "lawyer up" that will almost guarantee the end of anything resembling cordiality or friendship.  The problems that gave rise to the divorce will be amplified many times over and you will end up hating your ex, her lawyer and your lawyer.  Furthermore you will both end up broke because the lawyers will take all the money.<br><br>The entire process is simply terrible for the kids who are more than likely to blame themselves.  <br><br>This is why I recommend trying to work without lawyers if possible.  An earlier post mentioned using one lawyer to represent both parties.  I suppose that's a possibility but the lawyer in such a case may be conflicted because he cannot possibly represent the best interests of both parties.  <br><br>If it's just a matter of making sure the paperwork is in order, you can hire a paralegal for that.<br><br>In practice one or the other party sues the other for divorce and the entire matter is handled just like a lawsuit.  <br><br>If it's your wife who wants the divorce, please try to talk her out of it.  But if your wife has you served with divorce papers and these papers show that she is represented by a lawyer, then you MUST protect your assets and your interests by getting your own lawyer.  Do not enter into any settlement where your ex has a lawyer and you don't because her lawyer will ensure that you get screwed, and screwed royally.  <br><br>So it's not a question of getting a lawyer or not, or reconciling or not.  You do what you can depending on your own personal circumstances.  Sure you may end up hiring a lawyer, but that should be the absolute last thing you do.  And you should NEVER hire a lawyer unless your ex does so first.  <br><small>--<br>This is not a rehearsal.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Tails posted : Who said anything about staying together just "for the kids"? This isn't just for the kids, it's for their own sake. As far as I understand from the tone of the OP's post, he has not tried counseling or therapy. <br><br>To those who think "happiness" is gained from a divorce, think again. From my father's/mother's/many others' experiences that I've lived through, divorce does NOT make anyone happier in the end. Sure, you can say the relationship is "bad", and that's grounds for divorce. I ask, how is that possible? Most of the victims of divorce that I've spoke with  are plagued with "what if we did this, or tried that?" Marriage has it's ups and downs, and the whole point of "forever" doesn't mean 2 or 20 years down the road. You vow to stay with her/him forever.<br><br>Getting a divorce just because you want to be "free" of somebody? I would say that marriage isn't for you then, because that person sticks around forever if you meant the vows. <br><small>--<br>Do or do not, there is no try! - Yoda</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[cscottm posted : Why are you getting married again?  What is it that your getting that you can't get from not being married?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Doctor Olds posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/515934" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=515934');">r81984</a>:</small><br><br>What about "he"?<br>Are you telling me that the courts don't treat both spouses as equals?<br> </div>No, they never have.  <br><br>Custody Decisions in the 19th Century<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.massey.ac.nz/~kbirks/history/custody.htm" >www.massey.ac.nz/~kbirks/history/custody.htm</A><br> <blockquote><small>quote:</small><hr><b>Custody Decisions in the 19th Century</b><br><br><b>Here are some extracts from texts on custody decisions and related issues in the 19th century. Note that we should not assume that custody was automatically awarded to<br>fathers.</b><br><br><b>France, 1792-1816:</b><br><br><i>&quot;The law also stipulated that the parents themselves should decide on who had custody of the children. In cases where the parents could not reach a mutually satisfactory agreement, the law provided for a division of children according to gender: The father would have custody of any sons, the mother custody of any daughters. Children under the age of seven would be looked after by the mother, but on reaching seven, sons would be turned over to their father's care.&quot;</i><br><br>Phillips R (1988) <i>Putting Asunder: A History of Divorce in Western Society</i>, Cambridge: Cambridge UP p.273<br><br><b>England, 19th century:</b><br><br>&quot;Under most Western legal codes until the nineteenth century, the father was deemed to have primary rights over his children... In the course of the nineteenth century there were some reforms, such as the 1839 Infant Custody Act, which allowed the courts to give mothers custody of children until they reached seven, and which also made provision for mothers to visit their children at arranged times... Under the 1857 divorce legislation the reform<br>went further. The divorce court was empowered to exercise discretion and could make arrangements for the custody, support and education of children as it saw fit under the special circumstances of each case... In 1873 women's rights to custody were extended even further, and later, in the twentieth century, it became a principle that custody of the children in cases of divorce was vested in the wife unless there weree compelling reasons why it should be otherwise.&quot;<br><br>Phillips R (1988) <i>Putting Asunder: A History of Divorce in Western Society</i>, Cambridge: Cambridge UP p.601-2<br><br>Also:<br><br><i>&quot;Caroline Norton, beside writing fiction, often turned her attention, and her pen to her problems and those of other similarly situated women. Her child custody fight produced </i><b><i>A Plain Letter to the Lord Chancellor on the Law and Custody of Infants</i></b><i> in 1838, which contributed greatly to a change in the law. After that year, mothers in most circumstances had custody of children up to the age of seven.&quot;</i><br><br>Horstmann A (1985) <i>Victorian Divorce</i>, London: Croom Helm, p.44<br><br><b>And the US, late 19th century:</b><br><br><i>&quot;... most divorces (about two-thirds) in late nineteenth-century America were sought by women, and so it is hardly surprising that women most often won custody of their children. This effect was enhanced by an increasingly clear preference on the part of the<br>judges to place children in the care of their mothers. Child care was, in their eyes, an important role women played in their special &quot;sphere&quot;. in california, 91% of women who sought custody of their children were granted it, but this was true of only 37% of men. The same imbalance was true of Los Angeles and New jersey divorces, where custody was almost always granted to the mother, even if she were the defendant, an indication that the principle of motherhood had begun to override the principle of fault... Throughout Western society, in fact, divorce provided a means by which women were increasingly likely<br>to be assured of keeping their children. In New South Wales a law of 1873 gave judges discretion in custody decisions, but almost all awards were made to mothers rather than fathers. In Canada, the law and practice underwent similar development.&quot;</i><br><br>Phillips R (1988) <i>Putting Asunder: A History of Divorce in Western Society</i>, Cambridge: Cambridge UP p.602<br><br><b>Also for the US in the 19th century:</b><br><br><i>&quot;... many women were afraid that they might lose custody of their children. But legislative divorce records indicate that Virginia women usually received sole control of their children. In a random sample of fifty legislative divorce cases that occurred<br>between 1802 and 1850, women almost always received custody of children.&quot;</i><br><br>Riley G (1991) <i>Divorce: An American Tradition</i>, New York: Oxford UP, p.39<br><br>Several books refer to women being unwilling to <b>risk</b> losing custody of their children, as if this suggests disadvantage for women, but sole custody requires that one parent lose custody, and a complete absence of risk for women would mean certainty of<br>loss of custody for men. This point seems to be lost. Note the following in the context of the Riley quote above:<br><br>&quot;Because many women feared losing their children in divorce actions, they remained in destructive marriages for years.&quot; <br><br>Riley G (1991) <i>Divorce: An American Tradition</i>, New York: Oxford UP, p.51<br><br>How many men stayed in &quot;destructive marriages&quot; for the same reason? Her book is woman-centred, as she states in her preface, &quot;As I explored the history of nineteenth-century American women.....&quot; (p.vii)<br><br>Also:<br><br><i>&quot;The idealisation of motherhood after the American Revolution encouraged many judges to reject the traditional notion that children belonged to their fathers. By the 1820s, many judges had adopted the newer view that young children were better off with<br>their mothers.</i><br><br><i>Judges also considered the matter of guilt in making chuild custody decisions. If a female petitioner could prove her husband's guilt to a judge's satisfaction, she was likely to receive custody of their children. Some judges believed that young children should be raised by their mother even if she was the guilty party in a divorce. For instance, in 1813....&quot;</i><br><br>Riley G (1991) <i>Divorce: An American Tradition</i>, New York: Oxford UP, p.52<br><br><i>&quot;In 1860, a New Jersey statute expressed the tender years view of child custody: &quot;The mother is entitled to the custody of her children under the age of seven unless it affirmatively appears that, in her custody, they would be exposed to either neglect, cruelty, or the acquisition of immoral habits and principles.&quot;</i><br><br>Riley G (1991) <i>Divorce: An American Tradition</i>, New York: Oxford UP, p.83<br><br>Riley is interesting because she describes mid-19th century America having high divorce rates and suffragists split on women's freedoms and threats to the institution of marriage (pp.76-79).<br><br>Current views of domestic violence are also foreshadowed 150 years ago:<br><br><i>&quot;The ground of cruelty [for divorce] also began to encompass verbal and mental abuse. many judges agreed that a husband who hurled such epithets as &quot;whore&quot; and &quot;slut&quot; at his wife was committing cruelty. And when a husband falsely accused<br>his wife of adultery, he was damaging her health, well-being and reputation. Some judges even defined a spouse's refusal to communicate openly as a form of cruelty.&quot;</i><br><br>Riley G (1991) <i>Divorce: An American Tradition</i>, New York: Oxford UP, p.82<br><br><i>&quot;Western divorce-seeking women also had a slightly better chance of getting custody than did women in southern and north-eastern states. Between 1887 and 1906, Census Bureau figures show that women received custody at a three-to-one ratio to men. In western states, women received custody at a noticably higher ratio...&quot;</i><br><br>Riley G (1991) <i>Divorce: An American Tradition</i>, New York: Oxford<br>UP, p.92<br><br><hr></blockquote><br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/ford-gt/">What&#146;s the point of owning a supercar if you can&#146;t scare yourself stupid from time to time?</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Harddrive posted : not necessarily. its the Court's job to make sure 'she' keeps the same standard of living that she's been provided. doesn't matter what each person makes.<br><small>--<br>I've come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass and i'm all outta bubblegum.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[r81984 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/335660" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=335660');">B52GUNR</a>:</small><br><br>When my wife and I decided to get a divorce, it was all sunshine and roses. My wife said she wouldn't come after me for alimony, my retirement, etc.  We were also married nine years, no kids though, thank goodness.<br><br>That all changed when the process started.  I got socked with alimony even though she makes 3x what I make.<br><br>Lawyer up. Now.<br> </div>If she made 3x what you made, wouldn't you get the alimony?<br><small>--<br>Democrats are not Socialists any more than Republicans are.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[61999674 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/665654" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=665654');">SOLdesign</a>:</small><br><br>or you could look at this another way.<br><br>Your child is much more important that you or your wife's "comfort".  Divorce is a bitch, especially for kids.  Don't put your kid through it if you really don't have to...<br><br>make sure you are ready to completely disrupt your child's life like this, is it worth it?<br> </div> A divorce is NEVER a surprise to a child unless that child is very young(younger than 4 or 5) or really dumb, staying together "for the kids" is a big mistake and the kids know things are not right.<br><br>For the OP, on the Child Support thing, she WILL want it, and make sure you pay the court not her directly.<br><br>In case you missed it, LAWYER.<br><small>--<br>It is better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[B52GUNR posted : When my wife and I decided to get a divorce, it was all sunshine and roses. My wife said she wouldn't come after me for alimony, my retirement, etc.  We were also married nine years, no kids though, thank goodness.<br><br>That all changed when the process started.  I got socked with alimony even though she makes 3x what I make.<br><br>Lawyer up. Now.<br><small>--<br>Some assembly required, your mileage may vary, no pixels were harmed in the writing of this post. Brain cells, though, are a different matter. You want fries with that?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kilroy posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/204890" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=204890');">Harddrive</a>:</small><br><br>at what # do you throw in the towel and think that marriage may not be your cup of tea?</div>I don't think that there is a number.  I don't think anyone gets married with the idea that it isn't going to work out.  I also hope for those of us who have multiple marriages that we have taken the time to look at our past mistakes and see that we don't make them again.<br><br>Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.<br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/766601" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=766601');">AVD</a>:</small><br><br>different people at least?<br> </div>Yes, and the current one is very different from the first two.<br><small>--<br>When will the people realize that with DRM they aren't purchasing anything?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[AVD posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/724762" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=724762');">Kilroy</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/917132" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=917132');">swintec</a>:</small><br><br> Good lord, you went back for a second time?!?!  :D<br> </div>Long story, the first one force the second one.  But even worse ;-), I'm doing it again December 30th.  I'm thinking the third time is the charm.<br> </div>different people at least?<br><small>--<br>standard disclaimers apply.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kilroy posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/917132" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=917132');">swintec</a>:</small><br><br> Good lord, you went back for a second time?!?!  :D<br> </div>Long story, the first one force the second one.  But even worse ;-), I'm doing it again December 30th.  I'm thinking the third time is the charm.<br><small>--<br>When will the people realize that with DRM they aren't purchasing anything?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[swintec posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/724762" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=724762');">Kilroy</a>:</small><br><br>My first divorce...<br><br>The second one...<br> </div>Good lord, you went back for a second time?!?!  :D<br><small>--<br><A HREF="http://blocknews.net">Block Accounts</a> | <A HREF="http://usenetnow.net">UseNet Now</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kilroy posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/305506" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=305506');">jmorlan</a>:</small><br><br>The divorce process won't make anybody happy.  In fact it is almost guaranteed to make everybody who is involved miserable (except the lawyers).  <br> </div>I have to disagree, along with  Harddrive <A HREF="/useremail/u/204890"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>, if the relationship is bad, and this one does not seem to be from the description, divorce can be a great relief.<br><br>Bringing up the joke:<br><br>Q:  Why is divorce so expensive?<br>A:  Because it is worth it.<br><br>My first divorce was probably about $15,000 when all was said and done and it was worth every penny.<br><br>The second one was about $1,500 and we agreed on everything and only used one attorney.  So, even when you agree, it ain't cheap.<br><small>--<br>When will the people realize that with DRM they aren't purchasing anything?</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Harddrive posted : i'm saying if they have exhausted all efforts to re-kindle the love between the two individuals and it hasn't worked and they come to the realization that there is nowhere to go but through a divorce.<br><br> <blockquote><small>said by <a href="/profile/305506" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=305506');">jmorlan</a>:</small><hr>The divorce process won't make anybody happy.  In fact it is almost guaranteed to make everybody who is involved miserable (except the lawyers).  <br> <hr></blockquote><br><br>i didn't say anything about the <strong>process</strong>. yeah, it sucks to go through a divorce. its always about money. but after its all said and done, there is a sense of relief. its over and done. you don't have to spend another day with that person ever again. happiness.<br><small>--<br>I've come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass and i'm all outta bubblegum.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[jmorlan posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/204890" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=204890');">Harddrive</a>:</small><br><br>so you would rather be married and miserable due to a child rather than get a divorce and have some happiness?<br> </div>Those are not the only choices.  Why not make an effort to bring back the happiness you had before hurting the child that you both love?  <br><br>The divorce process won't make anybody happy.  In fact it is almost guaranteed to make everybody who is involved miserable (except the lawyers).  <br><small>--<br>This is not a rehearsal.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Harddrive posted : so you would rather be married and miserable due to a child rather than get a divorce and have some happiness?<br><small>--<br>I've come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass and i'm all outta bubblegum.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Maggs posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/804961" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=804961');">Langning</a>:</small><br><br>Good thing is that you don't live in Massachusetts.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703399204574505700448957522.html" >online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142&middot;&middot;&middot;522.html</A><br><br>But recently, more than two decades after the divorce, Ms. Taylor, 64, told a Massachusetts judge she had no job, retirement savings or health insurance. Earlier this year, the judge ordered Mr. Taylor, now 68 and remarried, to pay $400 per week to support his ex-wife.<br><br>"This is insane," Mr. Taylor says, adding that the payments cut his after-tax pension by more than one-third. "Someone can just come back 25 years later and say, 'My life went down the toilet, and you're doing good&#151;so now I want some of your money'?"<br> </div>What the guy needed to do is get a release of all claims.<br><small>--<br>Hello, is anyone out there.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Network Guy posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/611909" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=611909');">patcat88</a>:</small><br><br><div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/191509" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=191509');">Network Guy</a>:</small><br><br>Prenup people.. PRENUP!!<br> </div>A prenup will kill 99% of engagements.<br> </div>Better to be part of that 1% statistic that doesn't get butt-fucked 99% of the time post-divorce.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[SOLdesign posted : or you could look at this another way.<br><br>Your child is much more important that you or your wife's "comfort".  Divorce is a bitch, especially for kids.  Don't put your kid through it if you really don't have to...<br><br>make sure you are ready to completely disrupt your child's life like this, is it worth it?<br><small>--<br>I've been on more laps than a napkin.<br><br><A HREF="http://swankyswag.wordpress.com/">Whiney Blog</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[patcat88 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/1489883" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1489883');">Tails</a>:</small><br><br>On another note, to the OP, you really need to look into therapy or counseling. <br> </div>Trying those gives you "good faith" credit you can point out to a judge, even if you and any other bright person knows those will never work.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[patcat88 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/305506" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=305506');">jmorlan</a>:</small><br><br>I noticed that you turned over all your finances to your wife. If you decide to do a divorce, you will need to provide an itemization of all your assets.  Make sure neither of you tries to hide anything.  You may have to rely on your wife to provide you with a list of your assets.<br> </div>Just take all the papers, get them out of the house to a secret location, don't return them unless a court orders you to, nasty yes, but she will be more nasty to you. Evaluate them at your leisure. See if you can find anything that you can use against her in court.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[patcat88 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/204890" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=204890');">Harddrive</a>:</small><br><br>does she make enough money with her job to pay the mortgage and her car, plus enough money to pay for the things that come along with those two things? if not, expect her to come after you for enough money to 'help' her pay for those things.<br> </div>Considering trying to get alimony out of her in court.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[patcat88 posted : <div class="bquote"><small>said by <a href="/profile/515934" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=515934');">r81984</a>:</small><br><br>I would start carrying a good digital recorder (you can get a good one at walmart for like $40) and record every conversation that you have from now on.<br> </div>Yep. Unless you record it, nothing she ever says existed.]]></description>
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