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osxtasy
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1 edit | Apple hardware/software "strength and stability"
Hi everyone.
Can someone please explain to me (an owner of 3 macs myself) how if the marriage of Apples Hardware (which is still generic inside) with their operating system is their MAIN strength, then why are there so many problems still?? I mean seriously, after each update, there are about as many problems as Windows has (I use both). I just don't get it??? It's right there in black and white, and the majority of Apple "faithful" just keep stating that this full system integration is what makes Apple systems so much more stable.
I see just as many crashes, KP's and unexplained phenomenon on these forums as well as the Apple forums, as I see in the Windows forums.
I mean come on, can't we be honest?? What gives?? | |
jeffster1970
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| I've had 1 random shut down (kernel panic) with my mac but on the Vista machine I had it was more on a weekly basis. Not too sure to what to say about software crashes...I get less on my mac than I did on my XP or Vista...now, when you buy a mac you do get way more, and better, software than you get with any windows machine. iLife is better than anything windows has right now - a lot, although not all, windows machines come bloated with 3rd party software - something you won't get with a mac - macs tend to have less problems with virus's and i never heard of adware on a mac. I have found on my mac that you can use it from the day you buy it and find no slow downs after months of use - that can't be said for windows machines. I have learned how to use windows, but even now I find the processes slowing down a bit. (i don't run virus or adware programs on my xp machine) it is why people do fresh installs of windows every so often. there is also a lot less maintenance on a mac - such as no defrag or registry cleaners.
that said, apple is far from perfect. although I am generally happy with my machine, and can go weeks between reboots, I don't understand why at times i have to reboot to prevent my battery from draining to quickly due to some process that the activity monitor is not showing. i also find that my mac runs hot a times for no apparent reason (like right now, it wasn't being use and the temp is 75C - other times it is usually 45 C) these problems annoy me. and the above mentioned problems I never had on my windows machines.
i would have gone completely Linux had it the software i wanted. it is usually stable and predictable - although even they will have serious issues, but, what do you expect for software that is completely free?
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Re: Apple hardware/software "strength and stability"
I think one of the things that differentiates the two OS's is that Windows is such a target of (and volunerable to) millions of pieces of malware. Virtually every "regular user" (non-expert) that i know has or has had spyware/virii that has slowed their Windows machine to a crawl, caused BSOD's etc. OS X does not (yet) suffer from this fate.
FWIW, i have had ONE GSOD on my two Macs in the last 3 years.. My father in-law that regularly brought his Windows machine to a crawl (thousands of spyware infections) every 3 months has not had a SINGLE issue since switching to OSX (and not changing his unsafe computing practices a bit) 2 years ago.
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osxtasy
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1 edit | reply to osxtasy
Well my main issue, is that (as I constantly hear) if there are only a few configurations that Apple has to support, then why are their still problems??? I know of course about 3rd party apps, but that's not ALWAYS the case. Some people run nothing BUT Apple software, and still the OS has issues. I like my macs, and they've been relatively problem free (although I still nuke and re-pave occasionally, as I AM a windows Administrator at heart and career wise, and I know ALL systems build up cruft). For anyone doubting, try this:
I Always make a Carbon Copy clone of my systems on the first STABLE version of an OSX machine(start at .0 and run combo update to stable version, ie 10.0-10.6 was best so far for me). I then continue with the updating the internal drive as updates are released. Sure enough it gets slower, and to prove it I clone my system back to the 10.6 and she runs quick and flaweless, as before. This just blows a hole in the windows gets slower but OSX doesnt. Windows can be maintained easily and for free as well. (just an example, not preaching Win vs. OSX)
All that is needed:
MBAM (FREE)
Spywareblaster (FREE)
CrapCleaner (FREE)
Avast Antivirus (FREE)
Run MBAM and CCleaner 1 time per week(20 minutes max), Avast as resident scanner. All for FREE.
Now, I just don't see any difference. Actually I worry more about my macs, because how would I know if it DID have a virus, as although I occasionally use CLAM/AV, I cant say I trust it if its NEVER caught anything???
Just wanted some more opinions, please add (constructively) to the conversation. And thank you Moderator for NOT deleting..
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| Ah, yes, the memories are returning about what I went through with Windows XP Professional. Contrary to claims that Windows can be maintained "easily", I used to spend half of every Monday morning on this task- update AV, scan for viruses, update anti-spyware, scan for spyware, clean the registry, defragment the hard drive, etc. And, yet, I still ended up with various issues that caused me to have to reformat and reinstall. In the last year before I got a Mac, I must have reinstalled at least 10 times; other people I know have had similar experiences.
The breaking point for me was encountering a Windows update that kept telling me that it needed to be installed, even though I had already installed it several times. This, added to the hassles I just detailed, caused me to realize that life is just too short to have to deal with these problems. I turned off my Gateway PC and went right down to Fry's to buy a Mac. The money was definitely well-spent, as it regained a bunch of time for me (instead of hours each week, I now spend maybe 10 minutes per month on maintenance), as well as significantly reducing my frustration level.
If you're looking for a perfect operating system, there just isn't any. At least in my opinion, though, Mac OS X at its worst is way better than any version of Windows at its best.
Would I ever go back to Windows? I do have XP installed (via Boot Camp) on my Mac for situations where I am working with a piece of networking equipment that is only configurable through Windows, but I would never again want any Microsoft operating system for everyday use. | |
dda
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Apple shipped something like 3 million systems last quarter (from what I remember of the earnings announcement); since no quality control setup is perfect, there will be problems. Those users having those problems are going to scream loudly whereas those unaffected will, in general, not. About the only reasonable metric is what percentage of users have issues and how do those issues affect their continued use of the OS. Given that criterion, I feel the Mac and OS X fare far better than Windows on other hardware. As they say, YMMV.
Just an example, not preaching Win vs. OSX
You are clearly preaching and have done so in thread after thread after thread; for example, you have an issue with Apple's choice of video cards and bring it up given the slightest opportunity. If you're more comfortable with Windows on non-Apple hardware, more power to you; you've got a lot of choices! | |
osxtasy
join:2008-07-03
3 edits | And this is where the trouble starts. You see "dda", I clearly said I was not trying to preach to either crowd, yet someone just had to go and try to start a flame war. Yes, I have let my opinion be known about MANY a Apple hardware flaw(hell I've been deleted more times than you can count), and will continue to bring up the issues where it is deserved.
I will not however, try to hide the fact that ALL manufacturers flaws should be exposed, if for no there purpose than the greater good of the uneducated consumers, if nothing else.
My point is that ALL computers suck, no matter whom the manufacturer is, they all are made in china in one way (components) or another. ALL of the manufacturers throw together OS releases that are barely BUG tested, and Apple is no less, but definetly no greater than any other manufacturer.
Now what I WOULD APPLAUD is if Apple would bring their manufacturing back stateside (prices would be high yes, but I can pay it), or any other manufacturer would. I would then PRAISE there efforts happily, as long as the thing worked as good as they do now..... Heck, I'd even agree with them getting a HUGE tax break, just to generate some MADE IN THE USA spirit once again. | |
dda
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| said by osxtasy  :...I clearly said I was not trying to preach to either crowd, yet someone just had to go and try to start a flame war. Saying it and doing it are two different things; I think you are preaching and said so. As for starting flame wars, saying things like, "I mean come on, can't we be honest?? What gives??" seems, well, pretty likely to incite heated responses.
I believe that the Mac uses better quality components, has better build quality and better integration with OS X than one generally finds in the pre-built Windows world. Like most things, that is a statistical argument; there will be crappy Macs in some cases. I've found Apple's support better than average, as well; I've gotten problems taken care of quickly and without much trouble. So yeah, I think that the fact that Apple controls both the hardware and the software is a strength. | |
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